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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 03:52 PM
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Can we trust the Red Cross with our humanitarian donations?
Please provide information. I know the head of the RC has been a Repuke from the time Elizabeth Dole was there (maybe before). With all the current RC scandals, and the fact that Repukes are involved in one corporate con job after another, I don't believe I will trust the RC anymore.
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 03:52 PM
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1. NO
I will never give the Red Cross another penny.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 03:53 PM
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2. Only about a third of them. That's how much of the tsunami $$$'s been
used.

They suck.

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Sadie5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 03:56 PM
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5. No No No
I no longer give to the big charities who have top dollar CEO's. Instead I give to local charities as I see fit, and can see where my money goes. I gave to the Katrina RC drive, but when someone posted an article about how they wanted to be reimbursed I said, "never again".
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 04:03 PM
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Heifer International. Google 'em.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 04:03 PM
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11. Heifer International. Google 'em.
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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 03:55 PM
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3. Are there any good progressive charity groups?
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 03:57 PM
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6. What about Save the Children?
I donated to them after the Oklahoma bombing. Are they a good charity??? Nowadays I don't automatically trust any well known group. If they have big Repuke connections, they are crooked, imo.
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 05:29 PM
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27. Why don't you just contribute sweat equity
be it with FEMA's or FEMA's or the Red Cross or Habitat for Humanity or a Faith Based service group (Salvation Army, Chabad Lubavitch, LDS Bishop's Relief Fund, St. Vincent de Paul, etc.).

Sweat is a more direct feeling of helping then just writing and mailing a check or clicking on PayPal. That may be my Coast Guard craziness.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 04:05 PM
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12. Jimmy Carter is very involved in Habitat for Humanity.
If I had the money to give, I'd send it there. Just my two cents worth.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 04:09 PM
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13. Thanks. I'd forgotten about that wonderful group.
However, I'd also like to know about trustworthy groups that help get food and medicine to people after national disasters. Maybe there aren't any on a national or international level anymore.
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 05:15 PM
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25. Chabad Lubavitch, Joint Distribution Committee
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 04:13 PM
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17. Quakers AFSC
American Friends Service Committee
1501 Cherry Street
Philadelphia
PA 19102-1403

Also Doctors Without Borders

180
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 04:16 PM
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18. No. I haven't since October 17, 1989

The charity I donate to is:

http://www.mercycorps.org /

92% of donations go to the programs i.e. Katrina, Tsunami

8% to administration

Plus they send monthly emails as to how the money has been spent.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 05:03 PM
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22. Two orgs.:
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 03:55 PM
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4. Negative. n/t
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 03:57 PM
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7. NO! They are crook!
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 03:58 PM
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8. International Red Cross--Yes
That lying, cheating republican buffoon enabler in this country? Chances are better than even that you will regret it. I do.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 04:00 PM
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9. My understanding of the Red Cross is that they are top
Edited on Fri Dec-30-05 04:01 PM by Cleita
heavy in administration and a large percentage of your donation will go for executive salaries and other bottom line expenditures. They also seem to lag behind the Salvation Army and other charities in actual relief administered in times of need.
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 05:16 PM
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26. Actually ARC is more cost efficient the the Salvatation Army
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 07:01 PM
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28. I really wouldn't know because I don't contribute to either.
People who have found themselves needing their services told me this.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 04:02 PM
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10. I stopped giving since Dole
Edited on Fri Dec-30-05 04:03 PM by malaise
was in charge and it's no different in other places. In a particular country that I shall leave nameless for now, hundreds of people sent funds after a flood in 2004 and the people in charge were linked to the party in power so only their supporters received help. I now send directly to schools to to people I know and trust.

I also send to Doctors without borders.

Edit -add.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 04:09 PM
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14. GOP hates the international Red Cross cause they visit jails in warzones.
We need the red cross. As to fundraising? It was normal that organizations raised money during crisis - spend as much as they could - and when spending more would be a waste of money or less productive - they stopped and kept those funds for the next crisis.

We are in such a news cycle world that all of a sudden the billions raised during 9/11 have to all go towards 9/11.

Whatever the outcome of that debate - organizations like the Red Cross are reforming and reforming (like any other organization issue come up and you renew).

I don't think we can afford to let the Red Cross go. And if there is no American Red Cross - there sure as hell will not be cooperations with the International Red Cross.

It is on the neocon agenda to deminish all international institutions that claim any rights to monitor and report on the activities going on in crisis situations.

We have to support the American Red Cross. And for sure they are reforming.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 04:11 PM
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16. You are confusing the INTERNATIONAL Red Cross
with the AMERICAN Red Cross, two diffeerent animals completely. If the American red Cross did the kind of reporting the ICRC does, I don't think they will be allowed to exist in the US... period!
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 04:32 PM
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19. My point is it is the same brand. And by putting "Browns" in the
leadership of the American Red Cross - they are doing it in.

That is my worry. Once American Red Cross is destroyed - then corporations will have to step in and take the mantle of helping people (while they get no bid contracts) and they gain all the goodwill.

I worry. Fema was deminshed. I hope American Red Cross reforms as fast as possible so it can be saved.

Otherwise - the neocons have won again - and reduced not just government but non-governmental organizations too. Which is the plan.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 04:10 PM
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15. the American Red Cross NO
the Internatioanl Red Cross, yes, two different animals
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 04:33 PM
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20. NO I never give to them
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 04:37 PM
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21. I will never give to the American Red Cross again
after the shenanigans they tried to pull after 9/11. I was very surprised that it was basically the "official" charity to donate to after Katrina. I didn't give them a penny. I did donate to several animal charities. With a GOP running it now its hardly surprising how corrupt it is.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 05:06 PM
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23. NO. n/t
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 05:12 PM
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24. Salvation Army and the States' Non-Military "Militias"
1. Salvation Army

    a. Doctrine
      Doctrines:

      1. Belief that the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments were given by inspiration of God; and that only they constitute the divine rule of Christian faith and practice.
      2. Belief that there is only one God who is infinitely Perfect - the Creator, Preserver and Governor of all things - and who is the only proper object of religious worship.
      3. Belief that there are three persons in the Godhead - the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost - undivided in essence and co-equal in power and glory.
      4. Belief that in the person of Jesus Christ the divine and human natures are united, so that he is truly and properly God and truly and properly man.
      5. Belief that our first parents were created in a state of innocence, but by their disobedience they lost their purity and happiness, and that in consequence of their fall all men have become sinners, totally depraved, and as such are justly exposed to the wrath of God.
      6. Belief that the Lord Jesus Christ has, by his suffering and death, made an atonement for the whole world so that whosoever will may be saved.
      7. Belief that repentance towards God, faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, and regeneration (being born again) by the Holy Spirit are necessary to salvation.
      8. Belief that we are justified by grace through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ and that he that believes has the witness in himself.
      9. Belief that continuance in a state of salvation depends upon continued obedient faith in Christ.
      10. Belief that it is the privilege of all believers to be wholly sanctified, and that their whole spirit and soul and body may be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Thessalonians 5:23)
      11. Belief in the immortality of the soul; in the resurrection of the body; in the general judgment at the end of the world; in the eternal happiness of the righteous; and in the endless punishment of the wicked.

      The Salvation Army has always seen itself primarily as a Christian church, but this has been eroded in the public's perceptions over the years. It is now seen externally to be mainly a social services charity and/or thrift shop. Some members of The Salvation Army are keen to re-emphasise their role as a Christian church.
      ---


    b. Separation of Church and State

      Controversy over Separation of Church and State

      The Salvation Army has come under attack for what some people see as discrimination in hiring and for its requirements on how employees should behave. Despite the tax breaks it receives as a registered charity, and its government funding (about 11 percent of total revenues, in the form of grants and payments for services), it has a stated policy of "discrimination" against applicants and employees whose faith or sexual orientation are not acceptable to The Salvation Army. The Army's position is that because it is a church, Section VII of the US Civil Rights Act of 1964 explicitly guarantees its rights to discriminate in hiring.

      In a recent case, the New York Federal Court ruled that organization could use religious criteria in its hiring; that ruling is being appealed by the New York Civil Liberties Union. Other issues in the lawsuit by 19 current and former employees are still under consideration by the trial court.

      The State of New York has proposed legislation that requires businesses to offer health benefits to same-sex partners of employees. The Salvation Army opposes this policy and has threatened to close its soup kitchens and shelters across New York.




    2. State "Non-Military" Militias
      Like a State wide volunteer fire department for major disasters.


      State Defense Forces, State Guards, State Military Reserve, or State Militia in the United States are military units that operate under the sole authority of a state government. State Defense Forces are authorized by state and federal law and are under the command of the governor, as commander-in-chief, through the Adjutant General as the state's chief military officer.

      State Defense Forces are distinct from the National Guard in that they are not federal entities and cannot be made so. The federal government officially recognized State Defense Forces under 32 USC Sec 109 and provided that State Defense Forces "may not be called, ordered, or drafted into the armed forces" (of the United States), thus preserving their separation from the National Guard.

      Only about 25 states currently have active State Defense Forces, plus Puerto Rico, each with different levels of activity, state support, and strength.

      SDFs generally operate with emergency management and homeland security missions.

      Most states organize their State Defense Force in parallel to their National Guard force, having it report to the governor through the Adjutant General. The Force is not funded by the federal government in any way. In most states, members act on a completely volunteer basis, have to purchase any uniforms after the first, and supply their own arms (if armed).




    Coastie's opinion - having been a Red Cross volunteer in several large natural disasters and fires, and having been in the Coast Guard through several hurricanes.

    Disasters have "scale" - if we're talking about one cul d'sac or a dozen houses in a flood plain or one apartment house (even with 30-50 families) - a well equipped Police Department or Fire Department "Community Service Branch" with an up-to-date Rolodex can accomplish the same thing as the local Red Cross Chapter or local Salvation Army Center or any of the other Agencies cited in this thread. At the "neighborhood" scale the Red Cross, Salvation Army, or State Defense force don't have any additional value add.

    Some where up the scale - above several hundred families dislocated, there is a need for the command, communications, control, accountability, authority, responsibility, etc. of a Red Cross Service Area, a Salvation or a National Guard.

    Between several dozen families - and several hundred families- I don't think it make much difference. I would be happy with FEMA's augmented and under the operational control of the local Office of Emergency Services and Fire Department.

    My own bias - I prefer the Red Cross to the "Faith Based" organizations and the "Political Agenda" organizations.
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