Will Our Soldiers Come Home in Shame if we pull out?

[leftyladyfrommo]

I don't see how but that is the argument over on Freeperville.

I surely don't feel like they would be shamed in any way.

[Betsy Ross]

1. Better they should serve and die

in shame?

[The Magistrate]

2. They Will Come Home In Airplanes And Ships, Ma'am

And doubtless in clothes as well....

[salin]

18. *snicker*

[MADem]

3. No, they'll come home ALIVE n/t

[acmejack]

4. Beat me to that answer.

discretion is definitely the better part of valor.

[TAPat]

5. I think the nation as a whole learned its lesson

about equating the actions of the majority of our troops whith the policies that put them there with the aftermath of Vietnam.
If we pull out now it would be because we want to save them from the hell that they, and the Iraqis, find themselves in.
F*** Freepers and their 'Ville :freak:

[ginnyinWI]

6. Democrats won't shame them.

If anybody does, it will be Republicans who like to blame victims.

[Fleshdancer]

7. Our soldiers completed their mission

They invaded Iraq, caught Saddam, realized we were not seconds away from a mushroom cloud, and now Iraq has a new government. Their job is done already so to theorize that they would feel shame is absurd.

But hey, instead of speculating, maybe I'll just call my brother who is a soldier and has been deployed 3 times already and ask him if he would feel shame for doing his job. :eyes: It cracks me up that freeps have to speculate about the feelings of others, especially soldiers. Perhaps if they signed up for the military or had relatives who were soldiers, they wouldn't have to pull this ridiculous Dr. Phil routine.

[Captain Hilts]

8. No. They did not choose, plan or screw up The Mission. Bush did. nt

[Philosoraptor]

9. Another ridiculous arguing point.

Man they come up with some real doozies.

[kenny blankenship]

10. If we're so damn concerned about their feelings why not just ask them?

Seems to me I saw some polls of soldiers that indicated that they'd be overwhelmingly happy for this mission to end--and right now would not be too soon.

Maybe when freepers express such exquisite concern about the "shame that would be felt by the soldiers" they're really motivated to hide their own feelings of shame, and want to keep using the soldiers' lives as a hostage against having to admit their own mistakes and failures?

[BlooInBloo]

11. The shame is on the part of republican voters...

... who will have to deal with the shame if they see the solidiers come home.

They would much rather have every last soldier die over there, just so they don't have to confront them when they come home, and see with their own eyes they wrong they've done to the soldiers.

[Danieljay]

12. no, Republicans will shame them for not fulfilling the mission. We will

support them for doing the best they could have done to support a failed policy based on a lie.

[PDJane]

13. No.

But......and this is a very big but......while they may come home alive and well, the contaminants in the air and water in Iraq will remain with them, and it will mean that the US will either spend a great deal of money looking after these men and women, or will break the contract to care for the warrrior.

Seventy percent of the veterans of the first gulf war and their families are receiving medical care resulting from their stint in Iraq. Knowing this, that the Bush administration would send servicemen back into that hellhole is beyond my comprehension.

[Thickasabrick]

14. The freeps could care less. If they did they would be pushing

for more benefits for vets that are screwed up after they come home. I hate freepers.

[spindrifter]

15. The shame is on the idiots that insisted on theis

misbegotten war. The shame is that they didn't know what they were sending our troops into. The shame is that they had no plan or idea about what they ought to do when they got there.

[Warpy]

16. NO! They rolled right over the second best trained army in the

region and did it far ahead of schedule. Once Hussein had been captured and turned over to the provisional authority, their job should have been OVER.

Instead, the hubris of Vietnam has taken over, with the fantasy that we can "win" a US friendly, democratic goverment there if only we kill enough Iraqis.

This is clearly nuts and it's never going to work. Yes, the Iraqis will likely have a civil war when we leave, just as it would have been likely on Hussein's death, had he remained in power. No, they will not be friendly to the US once it is over. However, the longer we stay there, the worse it will get.

Handing the provisional government a schedule for withdrawal, north to south and west to east, will force them to confront something besides lining their own pockets at US taxpayer expense.

We've done enough to those people. We need to leave. Once a new government is formed, we need to supply it with the means to rebuild the material things we've destroyed.

We can never replace their families, though, and we need to face the consequences of that for many decades to come.

[bahrbearian]

17. Its a shame we can't show flag draped Cofffins

[smokey nj]

19. Shame is what the administration should feel for manufacturing

the reasons for the illegal invasion and occupation. Shame is what members of the "fourth estate" should feel for their complicity in marketing the illegal invasion and occupation occupation. Shame is what the American public should feel for supporting the illegal invasion and occupation. There is plenty of shame to go around, and it's not for pulling out, it's criminal that this hopeless endeavor was ever started in the first place.

[walldude]

20. The only shame is on the Freeps

who want to "stay the course" while their fat asses are sitting in the air conditioning watching NASCAR and eating Doritos. (no offense to NASCAR fans, or Dorito fans, or Murtha). I'd bet money that most of the soldiers would rather be home right now.

[Mr_Spock]

21. Well, let's keep murdering the soldiers then so we can feel "proud"

This has to be the most asinine reasoning for conducting a "never-ending war with no objective or timetable" that I've even had to endure. But the mindless Republican "good soldiers" will just keep buying this crap because it punches their meal ticket (or they stupidly think they are part of the "team") - what a bunch of nonsense. :eyes:

[msongs]

22. repeat after me: "We won! Mission accomplished" time to come back for

the victory parades.

Msongs

can you sing?
www.msongs.com/vocalistwanted.htm

[seabeyond]

23. we the people alowed them to be in the situation. not their shame

it is ours. allowing an incompetent president to stay in office and manage an incompetent war is nothing to do with our soldiers

it is more shame to not know when to pullout and continue needless death and slaughter. stopping the next step of resolution by disolving a battle to be in.

my husband was business aprtner with a man that refused to call it quits and continued to dig himself financially depeer into a hole. because of hte shame in admitting failure. i told husband a true "man" would recognize and quit getting himself in deeper hole, allowing himself to shift and find a different way

[ladjf]

24. They will come home with the same attitudes about them that

were present before that left. No one blames the service people for the Iraq debacle.

[IndyJones]

25. I haven't heard anyone say that they would be shamed. I've only heard

some say that the US should stay there to honor those who died while serving in Iraq.

I can't really connect the dots on that logic. It's just something I've heard said.

[GreenTea]

26. The occupation of Iraq is bullshit, based on lies and greed,

motivated by oil and corporate profits, to create military bases in Iraq to control the region and it's massive oil wealth.

So why would they feel shame, they know they were pawns, the lies weren't their doing.

The troops are never leaving Iraq, until every drop of oil in that region is gone, many years from now.

[Yollam]

27. They are coming home in shame at the end of their tours anyway.

There is nothing honorable in what we've done to Iraq. We never had any business being there in the first place - even deposing Saddam and establishing a puppet government doesn't fix it. The only way to make things right is to withdraw and let Iraqis decide how to run their own country (or countries - however things end up).