The technology that will free from our dependance on foreign

[HysteryDiagnosis]

oil..... no, this isn't a hoax.... it works, and the only thing that is going to stop it are the same people who have sent your kids to Iraq in order to secure oil contracts for American companies.

http://www.waterfuelcell.org/WFCprojects/Video/NewsReport.wmv

[Deja Q]

1. The process must surely rely on fission to separate the H and O2 atoms?

Would such a process truly be energy efficient?

I think it's a pipe dream. A crackpipe dream.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

3. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.... or if you were

smokin crack, also the Pentagon and NASA wouldn't be on it like flies on **** either.

www.waterfuelcell.org

[BrklynLiberal]

2. Who Killed the Electric Car???

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1452478

[HysteryDiagnosis]

4. The EV1 was not a zero emission vehicle even though it

produced no emissions.... the lectric had to come from somewhere to charge it, and if that was a coal fired lectric plant or a nukeyoulear plant, there are still environmental impacts to deal with. This machine RUNS ON WATER.

[Igel]

6. Uh-huh.

And what does it emit, hydrogen peroxide?

H20 --> H2O2 isn't exactly an energy releaser.

On edit: in my hunger-induced snarkiness attack, I left out an 'h.' Eh, H, O, what's the difference? (I still haven't eaten.)

[Wrinkle_In_Time]

5. OK, you make the claim: please prove it by citing peer-reviewed,

published, science. Real science. Real scientific method. Theories based on proven methods and results. Actual, verified experimental data.

Citations of obviously biased websites like http://www.waterfuelcell.org don't count. Neither do crack-pot, woo-woo websites like http://www.zpenergy.com or http://www.befreetech.com or http://www.rense.com or their multitudinous ilk. Conspiracy theories about how the scientific evidence has been suppressed are not acceptable without scientific proof.

You claim that this is true and not a hoax. It's your responsibility to prove it.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

8. Afraid? Needn't be, this sort of breakthrough is loooooong

overdue.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/05/339892.shtml
Forget Peak or Veg Oil, go Water Engine: plans, video, politics of zero point excited H20
author: thoughtful grouping
Water Car Inventor Stanley Meyer Presumably Murdered in 1998, another (Bill Williams) recently threatened in April 2006. Other inventors in New Zeland (on a 60 Minutes programme) are presently patenting "excitated" water--running in UNADAPTED regular engines. Other versions, however, show anyone can make a Joe Cell because its basic energy physics, though definitely not exclusively thermodynamics....I could care less to hear the terms "orgone" or "etheric" in some of the less recommended layman's videos below, though I include them because nothing else I have found demonstrates the visual aspects more spot on than some of these.

FIRST, to brace and educate yourself, I recommended a set of videos from 1995 that have more scientific terms. (These are followed by some on Tesla if you want, though they are unrequired.) Then, SECOND, watch the latter ones. in THAT order. It's labelled below.

"It would appear that Pandora's box has been opened on this, never to be shut." And it does mean that the only thing holding oil in place anymore for an energy choice is politics instead of economics: the purpose of oil now more than ever is clearly to maintain environmentally degradative political frameworks and corporate state corruption of the world's democracies. Free yourself from oil, put the oil majors out of business. Put Schlumberger, Halliburton, BP, Chevron-Texaco, the Rockefellers, the Saudis, the Bushes, all out of business. And save the planet at the same moment. Stanley Meyer mentioned that NASA is already using water engines technology in black operations, and admitted to contracts with him. This is big. Really really big. See 20 sequence "Joe Cell" water engine building process videos below as well. It's all you could ever want. Forget Peak Oil and Forget Veg Oil. Go Water Engine.

[Wrinkle_In_Time]

11. I'm not afraid at all. I love science, me.

Citing someone posting as "thoughtful grouping" on one of indymedia.org's sites isn't quite the peer-reviewed scientific data that I was asking for.

Besides:
1) There is no such thing as "excitated" water.
2) Applying for a patent is not proof of a claim.
3) They spelled "New Zealand" wrong.
4) "Stanley Meyer mentioned that NASA is already using water engines technology in black operations, and admitted to contracts with him. This is big. Really really big." NASA black ops? At least they didn't lean on the exclamation mark key.

Please try to present something with some scientific basis.

[Solo_in_MD]

13. Careful, scence and facts are known to be politically inccorect

and annoy the decimal point challenged...

That said, I fully agree with you. Basic physics don't lie.

[Redstone]

17. In fact, ther's no such WORD as "exitated." Amazing how people

continue to get sucked into this vortex of bullshit.

Redstone

[Occulus]

26. "NASA black ops"

:rofl:

Isn't there film of an object not from NASA or another launch entering the Earth's atmoshpere, and then exiting again? No, no, it wasn't skipping out of the atmosphere like a rock on a pond, it was an object that actually altered its own course...

...or something....

:evilgrin:

[Occulus]

23. Is this one of those?

http://www.heim-theory.com/

:evilgrin:

(This theory contains equations that are apparently able to predict particle masses to within six signifigant digits, and doesn't require a supercomputer to perform the calculations. That would be a major advance.... fascinating stuff. The math is WAY beyond me, though.)

[IDemo]

7. This is a Run-Your-Car-On-Water scam that was busted ten years ago

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy.hydrogen/msg/8ee0acb80e943e21?hl=endc310437cd1cee1e7&

Sunday Times Innovation 1 Dec. 96 (http://www.sunday-times.co.uk)

End of road for car that ran on Water

American court finds inventor of water-powered car is guilty of fraud.
Report by Tony Edwards

It appears to be the end of the road for maverick inventor Stanley Meyer and
his water-powered car after a recent American court verdict.

The car was a wonderful, if unlikely, dream while it lasted, offering a
pollution-free future powered by a limitless source of energy. But the
dream was shattered when Meyer was found guilty of fraud after his Water
Fuel Cell was tested before an Ohio judge.

It is rare for an inventor to be prosecuted for an invention that does not
work, but Meyer's problem was that he had been selling "dealerships",
offering investors the "right to do business'' in Water Fuel Cell tech-
nology in anticipation of the day when water would power anything From
domestic boilers to cars and aircraft.

But recently two suspicious investors could not wait for that day to dawn
and sued Meyer to get their money back.

Meyer defended, maintaining his long-held claim that the Water Fuel Cell was a truly
revolutionary invention that could split water into its two constituent
gases of hydrogen and oxygen far more efficiently than conventional
electrolysis. The secret, he said, was to "resonate" electricity at a very
high voltage through water and so "fracture" the hydrogen/oxygen molecular
bond. This, he claimed, opened the way for a car which would "run on wat-
er", powered simply by a car battery. The car would even run for ever since
the energy needed to continue the "fracturing" was so low that the bat-
tery could be recharged: from the engine's dynamo.

Meyer claimed to have adapted a 1.6-litre Volkswagen Dune Buggy to run on
water. He replaced the sparkplugs with "injectors" which, he said, sprayed
water as a fine mist in a "resonant cavity" where it was bombarded by a
succession of high-voltage electrical pulses. He claimed this instantly
converted the water into a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen that could be
combusted in the cylinders, driving the pistons just as in an ordinary
petrol engine.

One of the experts due toexamine the car was Michael Laughton, professor
of electrical engineering at Queen Mary and Westfield University, London,
but he was not allowed to see it. "Although Meyer had known about our
visit weeks in advance, when we arrived he made some lame excuse about why
the car wasn't working, so it was impossible to evaluate it," said
Laughton.

However, the one thing Meyer had built that appeared to work was his Water
Fuel Cell, and it was this device that the Ohio judge called as evidence in
the recent lawsuit.

The cell had been the centrepiece of Meyer's sales pitches. It was a
transparent cylinder of water inside which was a core of stainless steel
electrodes. When plugged into an electrical supply,the cell bubbled away
merrily, producing apparently copious amounts of gas that Meyer ignited
through a welding torch.To the layman it was an impressive performance and
hundreds of small investors signed up, but it did not impress three expert
witnesses in court.

They decided that there was nothing revolutionary about the cell at all and
that it was simply using conventional electrolysis.

Meyer was found guilty of "gross and egregious fraud" and ordered to repay
the investors their $25,000 (£15,000).

[brokensymmetry]

9. I'm sorry...this simply cannot work.

The laws of thermodynamics exist.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

10. Why issue a patent for something that cannot work?? Makes

little sense to me...

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=4,936,961.PN.&OS=PN/4,936,961&RS=PN/4,936,961
Field of Invention

This invention relates to a method of and apparatus for obtaining the release of a fuel gas mixture including hydrogen and oxygen from water.

BACKGROUND OF THE PRIOR ART

Numerous processes have been proposed for separating a water molecule into its elemental hydrogen and oxygen components. Electrolysis is one such process. Other processes are described in United States patents such as 4,344,831; 4,184,931; 4,023,545; 3,980,053; and Patent Cooperation Treaty application No. PCT/US80/1362, published 30 April, 1981.

OBJECTS OF THE INVENTION

It is an object of the invention to provide a fuel cell and a process in which molecules of water are broken down into hydrogen and oxygen gases, and a fuel gas mixture including hydrogen, oxygen and other gasses formerly dissolved within the water is produced. As used herein the term "fuel cell" refers to a single unit of the invention comprising a water capacitor cell, as hereinafter explained, that produces the fuel gas in accordance with the method of the invention.

Brief Description of the Drawings

FIG. 1 illustrates a circuit useful in the process.

FIG. 2 shows a perspective of a "water capacitor"element used in the fuel cell circuit.

FIGS. 3A through 3F are illustrations depicting the theoretical bases for phenomena encountered during operation of the invention herein.

Description of the Preferred Embodiment

In brief, the invention is a method of obtaining the release of a gas mixture including hydrogen and oxygen and other dissolved gases formerly entrapped in water, from water consisting of: (A) providing a capacitor, in which the water is included as a dielectric liquid between capacitor plates, in a resonant charging choke circuit that includes an inductance in series with the capacitor; (B) subjecting the capacitor to a pulsating, unipolar electric voltage field in which the polarity does not pass beyond an arbitrary ground, whereby the water molecules within the capacitor are subjected to a charge of the same polarity and the water molecules are distended by their subjection to electrical polar forces; (C) further subjecting the water in said capacitor to said pulsating electric field to achieve a pulse frequency such that the Pulsating electric field induces a resonance within the water molecule; (D) continuing the application of the pulsing frequency to the capacitor cell after resonance occurs so that the energy level within the molecule is increased in cascading incremental steps in proportion to the number of pulses; (E) maintaining the charge of said capacitor during the application of the pulsing field, whereby the co-valent electrical bonding of the hydrogen and oxygen atoms within said molecules is destabilized such that the force of the electrical field applied, as the force is effective within the molecule, exceeds the bonding force of the molecule, and hydrogen and oxygen atoms are liberated from the molecule as elemental gases; and (F) collecting said hydrogen and oxygen gases, and any other gases that were formerly dissolved within the water, and discharging the collected gases as a fuel gas mixture.

The process follows the sequence of steps shown in the following Table I in which water molecules are subjected to increasing electrical forces. In an ambient state, randomly oriented water molecules are aligned with respect to a molecular polar orientation. They are next, themselves polarized and "elongated" by the application of an electric Potential to the extent that covalent bonding of the water molecule is so weakened that the atoms disassociate and the molecule breaks down into hydrogen and oxygen elemental components. Engineering design parameters based on known theoretical principles of electrical circuits determine the incremental levels of electrical and wave energy input required to produce resonance in the system whereby the fuel gas comprised of a mixture of hydrogen, oxygen, and the other gases such as air test were formerly dissolved within the water, is produced.

TABLE I ______________________________________ PROCESS STEPS THE SEQUENCE OF THE RELATIVE STATE OF THE WATER MOLECULE AND/OR HYDROGEN/OXYGEN/OTHER ATOMS: ______________________________________ A. (AMBIENT STATE) RANDOM B. ALIGNMENT OF POLAR FIELDS C. POLARIZATION OF MOLECULE D. MOLECULAR ELONGATION E. ATOM LIBERATION BY BREAKDOWN OF COVALENT BOND F. RELEASE OF GASES ______________________________________

In the process, the point of optimum gas release is reached at a circuit resonance. Water in the fuel cell is subjected to a pulsating, polar electric field produced by the electrical circuit whereby the water molecules are distended by reason of their subjection to electrical polar forces of the capacitor plates. The polar pulsating frequency applied is such that the pulsating electric field induces a resonance in the molecule. A cascade effect occurs and the overall energy level of specific water molecules is increased in cascading, incremental steps. The hydrogen and oxygen atomic gases, and other gas components formerly entrapped as dissolved gases in water, are released when the resonant energy exceeds the co-valent bonding force of the water molecule. A preferred construction material for the capacitor plates is a stainless steel T-304 which is non-chemically reactive with water, hydrogen, or oxygen. An electrically conductive material which is inert in the fluid environment is a desirable material of construction for the electrical field plates of the "water capacitor" employed in the circuit.

Once triggered, the gas output is controllable by the attenuation of operational parameters. Thus, once the frequency of resonance is identified, by varying the applied pulse voltage to the water fuel cell assembly, gas output is varied. By varying the pulse shape and/or amplitude or pulse train sequence of the initial pulsing wave source, final gas output is varied. Attenuation of the voltage field frequency in the form of OFF and ON pulses likewise affects output.

The overall apparatus thus includes an electrical circuit in which a water capacitor having a known dielectric property is an element. The fuel gases are obtained from the water by the disassociation of the water molecule. The water molecules are split into component atomic elements (hydrogen and oxygen gases) by a voltage stimulation process called the electrical polarization process which also releases dissolved gases entrapped in the water.

From the outline of physical phenomena associated with the process described in Table 1, the theoretical basis of the invention considers the respective states of molecules and gases and ions derived from liquid water. Before voltage stimulation, water molecules are randomly dispersed throughout water within a container. When a unipolar voltage pulse train such as shown in FIGS. 3B through 3F is applied to positive and negative capacitor plates, an increasing voltage potential is induced in the molecules in a linear, step-like charging effect. The electrical field of the particles within a volume of water including the electrical field plates increases from a low energy state to a high energy state successively in a step manner following each pulse-train as illustrated figuratively in the depictions of FIG. 3A through 3F. The increasing voltage potential is always positive in direct relationship to negative ground potential during each pulse. The voltage polarity on the plates which create the voltage fields remains constant although the voltage charge increases. Positive and negative voltage "zones" are thus formed simultaneously in the electrical field of the capacitor plates.

In the first stage of the process described in Table 1, because the water molecule naturally exhibits opposite electrical fields in a relatively polar configuration (the two hydrogen atoms are positively electrically charged relative to the negative electrically charged oxygen atom), the voltage pulse causes initially randomly oriented water molecules in the liquid state to spin and orient themselves with reference to positive and negative poles of the voltage fields applied. The positive electrically charged hydrogen atoms of said water molecule are attracted to a negative voltage field; while, at the same time, the negative electrically charged oxygen atoms of the same water molecule are attracted to a positive voltage field. Even a slight potential difference applied to inert, conductive plates of a containment chamber which forms a capacitor will initiate polar atomic orientation within the water molecule based on polarity differences.

When the potential difference applied causes the orientated water molecules to align themselves between the conductive plates, pulsing causes the voltage field intensity to be increased in accordance with FIG. 3B. As further molecular alignment occurs, molecular movement is hindered. Because the positively charged hydrogen atoms of said aligned molecules are attracted in a direction opposite to the negatively charged oxygen atoms, a polar charge alignment or distribution occurs within the molecules between said voltage zones, as shown in FIG. 3B. And as the energy level of the atoms subjected to resonant pulsing increases, the stationary water molecules become elongated as shown in FIGS. 3C and 3D. Electrically charged nuclei and electrons are attracted toward opposite electrically charged voltage zones --disrupting the mass and charge equilibrium of the water molecule.

As the water molecule is further exposed to an increasing potential difference resulting from the step charging of the capacitor, the electrical force of attraction of the atoms within the molecule to the capacitor plates of the chamber also increases in strength. As a result, the co-valent bonding between atoms which form the molecule is weakened --and ultimately terminated. The negatively charged electron is attracted toward the positively charged hydrogen atoms, while at the same time, the negatively charged oxygen atoms repel electrons.

In a more specific explanation of the "sub-atomic" action that occurs in the water fuel cell, it is known that natural water is a liquid which has a dielectric constant of 78.54 at 20.degree. C. and 1 atm pressure. .

When a volume of water is isolated and electrically conductive plates, that are chemically inert in water and are separated by a distance, are immersed in the water, a capacitor is formed, having a capacitance determined by the surface area of the plates, the distance of their separation and the dielectric constant of water.

When water molecules are exposed to voltage at a restricted current, water takes on an electrical charge. By the laws of electrical attraction, molecules align according to positive and negative polarity fields of the molecule and the alignment field. The plates of a capacitor constitute such an alignment field when a voltage is applied.

When a charge is applied to a capacitor, the electrical charge of the capacitor equals the applied voltage charge; in a water capacitor, the dielectric property of water resists the flow of amps in the circuit, and the water molecule itself, because it has polarity fields formed by the relationship of hydrogen and oxygen in the covalent bond, and an intrinsic dielectric property, becomes part of the electrical circuit, analogous to a "microcapacitor" within the capacitor defined by the plates.

In the Example of a fuel cell circuit of FIG. 1, a water capacitor is included. The step-up coil is formed on a conventional torroidal core formed of a compressed ferromagnetic powdered material that will not itself become permanently magnetized, such as the trademarked "Ferramic 06# "Permag" powder as described in Siemens Ferrites Catalog,CG-2000-002-121, (Cleveland, Ohio) No. F626-1205. The core is 1.50 inch in diameter and 0.25 inch in thickness. A primary coil of 200 turns of 24 gauge copper wire is provided and a coil of 600 turns of 36 gauge wire comprises the secondary winding.

In the circuit of FIG. 1, the diode is a lN1198 diode which acts as a blocking diode and an electric switch that allows voltage flow in one direction only. Thus, the capacitor is never subjected to a pulse of reverse polarity.

The primary coil of the torroid is subject to a 50% duty cycle pulse. The torroidal pulsing coil provides a voltage step-up from the pulse generator in excess of five times, although the relative amount of step-up is determined by pre-selected criteria for a particular application. As the stepped-up pulse enters first inductor (formed from 100 turns of 24 gauge wire 1 inch in diameter), an electromagnetic field is formed around the inductor, voltage is switched off when the pulse ends, and the field collapses and produces another pulse of the same polarity; i.e., another positive pulse is formed where the 50% duty cycle was terminated. Thus, a double pulse frequency is produced; however, in a pulse train of unipolar pulses, there is a brief time when pulses are not present.

By being so subjected to electrical pulses in the circuit of FIG. 1, water confined in the volume that includes the capacitor plates takes on an electrical charge that is increased by a step charging phenomenon occurring in the water capacitor. Voltage continually increases (to about 1000 volts and more) and the water molecule starts to elongate.

The pulse train is then switched off; the voltage across the water capacitor drops to the amount of charge that the water molecules have taken on, i.e. voltage is maintained across the charged capacitor. The pulse train is then reapplied.

Because a voltage potential applied to a capacitor can perform work, the higher the voltage potential, the more work is performed by a given capacitor. In an optimum capacitor that is wholly non-conductive, zero (0) current flow will occur across the capacitor. Thus, in view of an idealized capacitor circuit, the object of the water capacitor circuit is to prevent electron flow through the circuit, i.e. such as occurs by electron flow or leakage through a resistive element that produces heat. Electrical leakage in water will occur, however, because of some residual conductivity and impurities or ions that may be otherwise present in the water. Thus, the water capacitor is preferably chemically inert. An electrolyte is not added to the water.

In the isolated water bath, the water molecule takes on charge, and the charge increases. The object of the process is to switch off the co-valent bonding of the water molecule and interrupt the sub-atomic force, i.e. the electrical force or electromagnetic force, that binds the hydrogen and oxygen atoms to form a molecule so that the hydrogen and oxygen separate.

Because an electron will only occupy a certain electron shell (the shells are well known) the voltage applied to the capacitor affects the electrical forces inherent in the co-valent bond. As a result of the charge applied by the plates, the applied force becomes greater than the force of the co-valent bonds between the atom of the water molecule; and the water molecule becomes elongated. When this happens, the time share ratio of the electrons between the atoms and the electron shells is modified.

In the process, electrons are extracted from the water bath; electrons are not consumed nor are electrons introduced into the water bath by the circuit as electrons are conventionally introduced in an electrolysis process. There may nevertheless occur a leakage current through the water. Those hydrogen atoms missing electrons become neutralized; and atoms are liberated from the water. The charged atoms and electrons are attracted to opposite polarity voltage zones created between the capacitor plates. The electrons formerly shared by atoms in the water co-valent bond are re-allocated such that neutral elemental gases are liberated.

In the process, the electrical resonance may be reached at all levels of voltage potential. The overall circuit is characterized as a "resonant charging choke" circuit which is an inductor in series with a capacitor that produces a resonant circuit. Such a resonant charging choke is on each side of the capacitor. In the circuit, the diode acts as a switch that allows the magnetic field produced in the inductor to collapse, thereby doubling the pulse frequency and preventing the capacitor from discharging. In this manner a continuous voltage is produced across the capacitor plates in the water bath; and the capacitor does not discharge. The water molecules are thus subjected to a continuously charged field until the breakdown of the co-valent bond occurs.

As noted initially, the capacitance depends on the dielectric properties of the water and the size and separation of the conductive elements forming the water capacitor.

EXAMPLE I

In an example of the circuit of FIG. 1 (in which other circuit element specifications are provided above), two concentric cylinders 4 inches long formed the water capacitor of the fuel cell in the volume of water. The outside cylinder was 0.75 inch in outside diameter; the inner cylinder was 0.5 inch in outside diameter. Spacing from the outside of the inner cylinder to the inner surface of the outside cylinder was 0.0625 inch. Reasonance in the circuit was achieved at a 26 volt applied pulse to the primary coil of the torroid at 0KH.sub.z, and the water molecules disassociated into elemental hydrogen and oxygen and the gas released from the fuel cell comprised a mixture of hydrogen, oxygen from the water molecule, and gases formerly dissolved in the water such as the atmospheric gases or oxygen, nitrogen, and argon.

In achieving resonance in any circuit, as the pulse frequency is adjusted, the flow of amps is minimized and voltage is maximized to a peak. Calculation of the resonance frequency of an overall circuit is determined by known means; different cavities have a different frequencY of resonance dependent on parameters of the water dielectric, plate size, configuration and distance, circuit inductors, and the like. Control of the production of fuel gas is determined by variation of the period of time between a train of pulses, pulse amplitude and capacitor plate size and configuration, with corresponding value adjustments to other circuit components.

The wiper arm on the second inductor tunes the circuit and accommodates to contaminants in water so that the charge is always applied to the capacitor. The voltage applied determines the rate of breakdown of the molecule into its atomic components. As water in the cell is consumed, it is replaced by any appropriate means or control system.

Variations of the process and apparatus may be evident to those skilled in the art.

[Wrinkle_In_Time]

12. It happens all the time. People even run contests for the stupidest

patent, e.g., http://features.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/10/16/1425236

Edit: If you want to learn more about patent office stupidity, unrealistic claims, scams, hoaxes, frauds, hucksters, flim-flam men, woo-ooism, etc., please check out The James Randi educational Foundation.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

14. Heavier than air flight will never work.... if a man spends 20

years of his life trying to develop something to split water in an efficient manner, does it necessarily have to end in failure?? Odds are it doesn't.

[Wrinkle_In_Time]

15. Actually, odds are that it does end in failure....

...since no-one has been able to prove it or reproduce it.

Look, I was bit harsh on you up-thread by demanding that you provide peer-reviewed scientific evidence for that claim. I apologise, it wasn't meant to be an attack on you -- it's just that I just find such supernatural (i.e., beyond nature) claims as those made by fans of the late Stanley Meyer to be very irritating.

Part of what I was trying to say is that if such claims were real, they would be trumpeted loudly around the world. Or at least reproduceable. Conspiracy theories about suppression don't hold any water. Please consider that if conglomerate A fould the key to cheap energy they would jump on it like a rapacious thing sighting a delectable thing (similies fail me) and put conglomerates B-Z out of business before the first crumb hit the table.

I can direct people who have any such claims towards US$1,000,000 if they can prove this, using their own measure of success, by referring them to the James Randi Education Foundation's $1M Paranormal Challenge.

By the way, you didn't reference my answer to your question about patents being a measure of credibility.... You're welcome.

EDIT: re heavier-than-air-flight, at least someone did some experiments -- in front of people with film cameras -- to prove their theory. It's all about the evidence, not the claim.

[Occulus]

24. That was NOT a harsh request!

"Look, I was bit harsh on you up-thread by demanding that you provide peer-reviewed scientific evidence for that claim."

No, you weren't. In fact, you were doing just about what I would expect any reasonably interested scientist would do, in asking if there are peer-reviewed papers. Indeed, peer review is expected before any theory, device, or process in science is accepted by the general community.

You were doing the right thing.

"Conspiracy theories about suppression don't hold any water."

I just know you intended that pun.

[Wrinkle_In_Time]

28. Well, I reconsidered the source...

... I felt that the OP has to go through a few more steps along the path of critical thinking before being ready to provide reputable, peer-reviewed citations. Some initial questioning would be nice. I was backing off from demanding proof from that person, not from the real requirement of extraordinary proof for extraordinary claims.

I do appreciate your supportive post. Thanks.

"I just know you intended that pun." You caught me. ;-)

[HysteryDiagnosis]

27. A few thoughts for you.... and tell me please if this has

been done in the past.... if this has the sound of yet another hoax to be played upon the naive unsuspecting mind.



http://hytechapps.com/aquygen/science
Under direct inspection, Aquygen™ Gas proves to be odorless, colorless and lighter than air. It has a number of unique features that distinguish it from water vapor and the Brown gas produced by standard electrolysis.

*

In the production of Aquygen™ Gas, there is no evaporation process at all, the electric energy used being insufficient for evaporation. This feature alone establishes that the H2O Model 1500 Aquygen™ Gas Generator produces a new form of water that is gaseous and combustible.
*

Aquygen™ Gas exhibits a widely varying energy content in BTUs, ranging from a relatively cold flame in open air to large releases of thermal energy, depending on its use. This is additional evidence of fundamental novelty in the structure of Aquygen™ Gas, as all other known fuels have a fixed value of energy content in BTU/scf. Also, the variable character of the energy content of the Aquygen™ Gas is clear evidence that the gas has a novel structure with a chemical composition including bonds beyond those of valence type.
*

Aquygen™ Gas demonstrates an anomalous adhesion to gases, liquids and solids.
*

Aquygen™ Gas does not follow the fundamental PVT law for gases.
*

Aquygen™ Gas bonds to gaseous fuels (such as natural gas, magnegas fuel, and others) and liquid fuels (such as diesel, gasoline, liquid petroleum, and others) and significantly improves their thermal content as well as the environmental quality of their exhaust.
*

Aquygen™ Gas instantaneously melts tungsten, bricks, and other highly refractive substances. In particular, measurements have established the remarkable capability of combusted Aquygen™ Gas to instantaneously reach temperatures over 10,000° F, under which virtually all substances on Earth can be sublimated.

[ProfessorGAC]

20. Split Water?

That would require an input of energy equal to the bond energy of the water. The formation of water during combustion, would be barely higher energy bonding level than the decomposition, so that unless this new "splitting" technique were 100% efficient (meaning absolutely no energy input that doesn't split the molecule), then a net energy output would be impossible.
The Professor

[HysteryDiagnosis]

22. A singer can shatter a glass.... I believe resonance, harmonics

and so forth are involved. Would it be impossible to use a similar approach to break the bonds in a water molecule.. I don't see why not.

[Redstone]

16. Oh, not THIS again. This nonsense has been going around since

the 1930s. It was pure, unadulterated bullshit back then, and it's pure, unadulterated bullshit now.

Redstone

[HysteryDiagnosis]

18. Please explain this pure patented unadulterated bullsh*t

displayed in this machine that has been presented to congress as well as the Pentagon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkbazzqVW9M&search=water%20torch

[Redstone]

19. That's REAL easy. He's NOT burning water. He's using electricity.

Hydrogen extraction via hydrolysis is hardly "miraculous."

And getting something patented does NOT validate it. There are hundreds of thousands of patents that have been issued for things ranging from utterly useless to outright fraud.

Redstone

[HysteryDiagnosis]

21. Sooooo, the pentagon and automobile manufacturers cannot

recognize fraud. Pity... you'd better call them and give them a heads up.

[Occulus]

25. Go Google "thermal depolymerization"

By the way... not to threadjack, but does anyone here know where that idea went? It works, the chemistry is sound... what is that pilot plant in Carthage, MO, doing these days?

[Wrinkle_In_Time]

29. I was going to respnd to some of your specific posts...

... but then I saw you linking to sites that contain an ever-increasing amount of woo-woo-fabulist-scam-con-insanity™. I included the ™ at the end in tribute to the phenomenal amount of bullshit found on the Aquygen™ site you linked. "A new kind of gas", my ass (actually my ass does produce a new kind of gas, depending on what I ate yesterday).

This would be funny if there weren't people that believed it.

I am not going to refute each and every fable that you post. Please stop doing so. Instead, I recommend that you read some skeptical/critical-thinking/de-bunking sites and see if they give you some insight into the methods and motives of people who make claims like the ones you posted above. They are not what you currently think. I refer you to:
http://www.randi.org/ (they currently have an article on the U.S. Patent office, apropos your earlier question)
http://www.skepdic.com/
http://www.churchofcriticalthinking.com/

You'll find more links there, if you wish.