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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 02:29 PM
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Italy may try U.S. soldier for shooting agent in Iraq - Nicola Calipari
http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/international/ticker/detail/Italy_may_try_U_S_soldier_for_shooting_agent_in_Iraq.html?siteSect=143&sid=6825947&cKey=1150737829000


ROME (Reuters) - Italian prosecutors on Monday formally requested a trial, in absentia if necessary, of a U.S. soldier accused of shooting dead an Italian intelligence agent in Baghdad last year, judicial sources said.

Mario Lozano of the 69th Infantry Regiment is accused of manslaughter and attempted double homicide in the March 2005 killing of Nicola Calipari, who had been escorting a newly freed Italian hostage to safety when he was shot at a checkpoint.

A judge will have to rule whether there is enough evidence for an indictment.

The governments of Italy and United States officially called the shooting an accident, but Italy's independent magistrates continued their own investigation into the politically-charged incident.
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Che_Nuevara Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 02:35 PM
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1. Does Italian law really allow this?
If the incident didn't occur in Italy, then how in the world is it in Italy's jurisdiction?
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 02:37 PM
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2. K&R still waiting for the story reporter was working on........ nt
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 02:46 PM
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3. This Was An Intentional Hit.
Then came the cover-up. The U.S. is either not going to go along with this, or they'll throw the soldier to the wolves in Italy.

The governmments of both countries helped with this attack, and want the whole issue to go away. Sounds like all that's keeping it alive is the Italian press. That sort of thing would Never happen in the good ol' u.s. media.
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Che_Nuevara Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 02:55 PM
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4. Do you have any proof of this radical theory? (n/t)
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otokogi Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 02:58 PM
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5. doesn't sound radical to me
especially in context of every other horror we are perpetrating, over there...
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Che_Nuevara Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 03:19 PM
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6. That doesn't answer the question.
Whether or not you find it reasonable doesn't say anything to whether or not there's any SOLID reason to believe it.
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otokogi Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 03:24 PM
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7. looks like there is enough evidence for charges to be brought
in a court of law.

unless you think that is radical, too?
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Che_Nuevara Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 03:34 PM
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8. I don't know anything about the Italian justice system
or just how much evidence you need to have to bring charges. If it's anything like the American system, then it's Not Very Much.

Besides, I'm still stuck on a "trying someone for a crime that wasn't committed in your jurisdiction" thing. If the Italian justice system allows for charges to be brought for crimes which were in no part conspired or executed in their jurisdiction, then goodness knows what it allows.
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otokogi Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 03:39 PM
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9. why doncha go read up on the case?
there were a lot of reports that cast doubt on our changing version of events.

this is certainly not a radical suspicion and there is plenty of evidence that a cover up occurred at best.
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Che_Nuevara Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 03:46 PM
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10. I have no doubt that a cover-up took place.
That's only logical. But to say that the American government and the Italian government conspired to take out a single reporter vastly overestimates the importance of said reporter, and it seems rather far-fetched to me.

But no one has yet addressed my other question: the legality of this whole issue.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:10 PM
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16. The reporter was the red herring; that's why she WASN'T killed.
IMO, the sharp-shooters don't miss. They got their man, the SISMI agent who knew of the forged-in-Italy Niger papers.
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Che_Nuevara Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 05:56 PM
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21. But why would the Italian gov't be complicit in this?
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 06:05 PM by Che_Nuevara
Do you really think the Italian government really helped set up the Iraq war? Why would they do that? Isn't this conspiracy getting a little wide? The world isn't run by the Illuminati.
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i radical Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:52 PM
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20. sounds plausible, though nt
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 03:50 PM
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12. Does Anyone Have Proof With These Evildoers?
There were many threads about it when it took place.

Everybody and their mother knew that the hostage had been released, and was traveling towards the airport.

There should have been no reason for U.S. troops to fire upon them. Don't you find it the least bit perplexing? Remember, they were fired upon by friendly forces, and there were no "insurgents" in the area at the time. Only friendly fire. And italian dignitaries. Something smells.
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stephinrome Donating Member (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 03:46 PM
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11. something I wrote on the 1st anniversary
The Sgrena Calipari Shooting – One Year Later

On March 4, 2005 I went to a debate on, of all things, journalism and war. As we waited in the lobby of the Palladium Theatre in Rome, word went round that Giuliana Sgrena, journalist for the Italian newspaper il manifesto who had been kidnapped in Baghdad one month earlier, had just been freed.

I had participated in the massive march in Rome on February 19 calling for her release, along with all hostages, and an end to the occupation of Iraq. During her captivity there had been a true public outpouring of support. News of her release was indeed welcome.

When we were finally allowed to enter the theatre, I started getting the sense that something was wrong. The announcement of her release was made from the stage, but there was something they weren't telling us, which I could only assume was bad news.

Gabriele Polo, editor of il manifesto, was suppose to take part, but I don't think he ever even made it to the theatre. The others present, which included several "embedded" journalists from RAI, Italian State TV, as well as media and foreign policy experts, took their places on stage but all were visibly shaken. Cell phones were ringing and being answered on stage, something unheard of in normal circumstances.

Shortly into the program, it was interrupted and the announcement was made. Sgrena had indeed been freed, but on the way to the airport her convoy had been fired upon by U.S. soldiers, fuoco amico. Sgrena was injured and a secret service agent, Nicola Calipari, had been killed. She was being taken to a hospital in Baghdad. They had waited for the news to be confirmed before announcing it.

I sank in my seat. Tears welled up in my eyes and a lump grew in my throat. A young Italian woman seated behind me said, "those fucking Americans." I know she didn't mean all of us. I should have turned around and said something and now wish I had, but at the time I couldn't move.

The next day an impromptu demonstration was organized in front of the U.S. Embassy in Rome. And though it was organized at the last minute, there were hundreds of people present, with slogans such as "Bush has changed: now he kills Italians, too." The street was blocked. After more than an hour the police, showing a certain sympathy, very slowly, very gently moved us back on the sidewalks. The funeral of Nicola Calipari also drew huge crowds.

The official version from the U.S. military claimed that the car with Sgrena, Calipari and a driver was traveling at a high rate of speed and had ignored numerous signals to stop. In addition, the Pentagon maintained that the proper authorities had not been notified of the transfer to the airport.

This version of the facts was contested by the Italian authorities, by Sgrena herself as well as the driver. The Italian government found itself in a very difficult situation as a staunch ally of the U.S. in Iraq, but with public demand for answers. Though most knew from experience that where U.S. soldiers are involved secrecy reigns and impunity is all but guaranteed. The wounds were still fresh from the 1998 incident in which a U.S. Marines plane flying too low to the ground cut a cable supporting a gondola at a ski resort on Cermis, with all 20 passengers plunging to their deaths. The two men piloting the aircraft were charged with negligent homicide and involuntary manslaughter. Both were acquitted.

In the end, in order to give the appearance of collaboration the two countries agreed to a joint investigation of the "Calipari Sgrena incident." Though a U.S. military spokesperson stated that Italy's involvement in the investigation was due to their possible responsibility in Calipari's death!

In late April the joint investigation resulted in two versions of the facts. The two countries were unable to arrive at shared conclusions, with the U.S. maintaining its initial version and exonerating the troops involved. The Italian government instead maintains that the car carrying Calipari and Sgrena had been driving slowly, that they had not received any warning at the roadblock and that the proper U.S. authorities had been advised of their mission. The two Italian members of the commission investigating the case refused to sign the U.S. version. Berlusconi, Italy's Prime Minister, requested an admission of error on the part of the U.S., which he did not receive.

According to the government, the case is closed. However others are still seeking the truth. Sigfrido Ranucci of Rai News 24, recently interviewed Wayne Madsen, ex NSA agent who claims Calipari's whereabouts had to be known, as the NSA monitors all cell phone traffic in war zones. And independent prosecutors in Rome have launched a criminal investigation against the soldier who pulled the trigger.

However, according to Giuliana Sgrena and Rosa Villecco, Calipari's widow, the investigation by the magistrates lacks the necessary political support. For Villecco, the case is anything but closed. She recently announced her candidacy for the Italian Senate with the Democrats of the Left, an opposition party, in part to continue the search for responses to the many unanswered questions.

Calipari was honored this weekend in Rome, with commemoration ceremonies marking the first anniversary of his death. The barracks of the secret service headquarters at Forte Braschi were named after him and a memorial stone was unveiled. There is also talk of naming a street in his honor. But perhaps the best way to honor Calipari would be with an independent investigation, supported by the State he served, and to hold those responsible to account.
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stephinrome Donating Member (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 03:54 PM
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13. do you know how they found out the soldiers name?
The U.S. released a report regarding the investigation which was then posted on the internet. Many parts of it were blacked out, including the soldier's name. I then heard that a Greek university student living in Bologna had been able to get the name from the blacked out document. For ages I though he had used some fancy graphics software in order to see the text under the black marks. But just recently I learned that what was posted on the web was not a scan of the document but a word doc!!! They used a black highlighter in Word!!! The text was still there under the highlighting. All he had to do was copy remove the highlighting and BINGO!

Scary considering how sensitive the U.S. deemed this document.

Steph
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:05 PM
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15. Actually it was a PDF, but other than that you are correct...
Click and highlight the blacked out area, then copy it, then paste it into a plain text editor, and presto! all that "classified" stuff was easy enough to read.
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stephinrome Donating Member (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:42 PM
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17. thanks for the correction n/t
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:00 PM
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14. When will the killing mercenaries/contractors be tried for their crimes?
The 30 thousand plus paid to kill contractors, making over a hundred grand each, are never and can't be charged with killing anyone they choose on a whim or for their own sick pleasure.
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stephinrome Donating Member (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:44 PM
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18. Sgrena's book in English
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 04:45 PM by stephinrome
btw-Giuliana Sgrena's book Fuoco amico (title in English I'm guessing is Enemy Fire) has been recently released also in English. I know she was just in the states promoting it. Covers, of course, more her captivity than the release, but still a good read.

Steph
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stephinrome Donating Member (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:48 PM
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19. If you understand Italian...
... there was quite a good segment recently on an investigative journalism program here called Report. You can watch the video online or read the transcript.

L'Ultimo giorno
http://www.report.rai.it/RE_elenco/0,11515,2006-puntata,00.html

Steph
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Che_Nuevara Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 05:59 PM
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22. I still want to talk about the ACTUAL topic of this thread:
whether this is actually possible under Italian penal law. Can the soldier be tried in Italy, under Italian law, for a crime (whether or not it was a crime) which was not committed in Italian jurisdiction? That does not seem legally reasonable to me.
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