when bush is gone and the chains of repression in which he has ensnared

[flordehinojos]

all of us fall,either of their own weight, or because of a courageous congress which repeals each and every repressive, bankrupting measure through which bush has made the oval office his paradise of control, will we celebrate the falling off of the chains with fireworks just as we celebrate the 4th of July?

[Solly Mack]

1. Honestly - unless the Bush Regime is held accountable for war crimes

I won't be celebrating anything.

I'm in no mood to "move on"...and I don't buy the bullshit that it's "in the best interests of the country" to just let Bush go free and clear, instead of "dragging the country through the pain of a trial" (in quotes because such things have been said of other government crimes..such as Iran-Contra...and I know those words will be heard again)

I'm not willing to put the crimes of Bush on a shelf, only to be taken down at a much later date and apologies made for what happened "back then" , "that we can't change now" but, "hopefully", "we can learn from"

Such attitudes only serve to guarantee that sonmeone like Bush will rise again...

So, no...no fireworks for me....until and unless...the Bush Regime (current and former) is behind bars

[flordehinojos]

2. i understand your feelings exactly

but i think i would be so glad to be able to finally breathe some fresh air, that i might, at least celebrate that.

[calimary]

3. I see your point, VERY clearly, but Solly Mack has a good one, too.

If this shit is NOT punished in some way, that constitutes tacit approval of it. If there's no punishment, no accountability, no consequences for this, it will signal to others who'd like to follow suit that - hey, it's okay! No worries! You won't have to pay for this if you try it yourself. The precedent has already been set. Furthermore, it would unleash a whole lot of infantile "well HE did it and nobody had a problem with it, so I can do it, too" responses - like the sniveling crybabies most of these assholes are, deep down.

THERE HAVE TO BE CONSEQUENCES FOR BAD BEHAVIOR. Shit, even the sanctimonious wrong-winger Dr. Laura would insist.

[flordehinojos]

4. i know ... and punishment for bad behavior is something bush has never had

i think this Bush Family Baseball story by Teresa Simon-Noble and pasted here with her permission sort of talks about that.
Cliff Flower News
Culture & Ethnicity
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Bush Family Baseball

Bush Family Baseball; From Cute Sociopath to Global War Criminal
By Teresa Simón-Noble

“It is the pitch of a father who never c or rected his son’s misguided baseball game and the batting son who is still misaiming his baseballs at destroying the American Democracy”.

A long time ago Barbara Bush told a story about a young teenaged boy named George and the baseball he hit and aimed directly at an old neighbor’s second story window. The story, for me, today, connects many dots between the American attacks on Fallujah, the White House purge of the CIA liberals, the advent of new horrors to come against the world and our very own democracy during the second Bush Squat-A-Thon and, between this young George, her son, and our Squatter in the White House.

In the story, as I recall the telling of it, Barbara Bush said that she was both enraged at George for breaking the old man’s window and, that she, feeling powerless to do anything about what George had done, or failing to find the right “discipline” for George, she launched a verbal attack on him for aiming the ball at their neighbor ’s window and for breaking it, and then threatened George with a, “wait until your father hears about this,” tirade, the implication being that George was going to get his just deserves once George Senior got home and was apprised of George’s misadventure.

Barbara Bush expected her husband to be equally enraged upon learning of George’s misadventure. She expected the elder George to call the younger George on the carpet right then and there and fry his butt, or impose some “you are grounded for an x period of time,” stuff. Instead, she says, the elder George was amazed and bewildered at young George’s ingenuity and good aim and with approval and admiration in his voice at his son’s mischief he kept repeating, “Gee, you mean to say that George batted the ball that far? ... You mean to say that Ge or ge broke the old man’s window?”

So much for discipline and just deserves. George the elder paid for the repair to the old man’s window and George received no punishment for his mischief which turned out to be a cause celeb for the elder George.

That was, in my mind as I heard the story, the very birthing of a sociopathic son by a sociopathic father who was letting his son get away without any consequences for his mischievous actions... a pattern which, as history makes clear, has repeated itself time and time again in the Bush father-son dyad.

The story foreshadows many of the now well known rescuer-rescued dynamics between the two Georges. It points to the admiration and idealization for mischief present in the Bush family, and it provides a basis for , at least, a bare minimum understanding of all of the horror stories that have accompanied their mischievous behavior on a grand national scale : from the stealing of election 2000, to the equally mischievous but newly perfected re-stealing of election 2004, to the invasion and occupation of Iraq, to the Fallujah Massacre, to the CIA purge of liberals and of those who do not support the Bush doctrine... to, and including the clear directive from the current director of the CIA to neither support opposition to George, nor champion opposition to the administration nor its policies ... behind all of which, I believe, George the elder (the only for mer president who continues to receive, at his request, CIA < or is it FBI?> briefings) is not only pulling the strings, but is still, with awe and admiration in his voice, muttering, Wow! Look at George and at all that he is accomplishing in his presidency on behalf of the nation and the world as he throws one ball after another against democracy, civil liberties, environmental protection, innocent civilians in other countries, etc. etc., etc.! Wow! What a son, the elder Bush continues to mutter. Wow...the power of a baseball!

What a pitcher’s pitch and a batterer’s bat!

It is the pitch of a father who never corrected his son’s baseball game, and the batting of a son who is misaming his baseballs against our American democracy and w or ld peace.

It is a like father, like son story.


Teresa Simon-Noble

Teresa Simon-Noble is a computer activist for peace and social justice who lives in the sunny state of Florida . She is a former mental health clinician. A poet and a freelance writer, her work has been published in several online publications

[Solly Mack]

5. I understand...Bush just exiting the WH will feel like a weight

lifting and breathing will get easier.

I left the US to live in Germany back in 2004 (husband is military) and when I stepped off the plane in Germany it felt as if a burden had been lifted from my shoulders.

I'm still an American citizen and I still fall under the Bush Regime's policies...but I still felt as if I had gotten away from the oppressive air that now fills America

[flordehinojos]

6. O, God, can you send some oxygen down this way?

:)