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Mugsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 11:22 AM
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"Don't you remember???" I do, do YOU?
On this Fourth of July weekend, some thoughts. You've probably had the same.

I have often imagined rational conversations in my mind between myself and a steadfast supporter of the war in Iraq, and in those mental conversations, facts and logic typically win the day.

But my conversations in real-life have yet to transgress so smoothly.

I was reminded of such early this morning, following a reply to an email I sent out this Fourth of July weekend to all my friends, Liberal and Conservative alike, observing the two year anniversary of Fahrenheit 9/11 hitting the theaters. I politely suggested that now, with the baggage of the 2004 election behind us, and a bit more perspective three years into the war in Iraq, that those who had not seen the movie or had not seen it since, to take time out of their holiday weekend to watch the movie (again?).

Within minutes, a mocking/jeering reply had hit my inbox from an intelligent, yet fact-challeged neocon friend of mine.

The Left and Right seem to see everything from dramatically different points of view. I was reminded of that fact early this morning listening to Jerry Springer on AAR discuss "protest songs" then and now. Upon return from one commercial break, a recent Country song wailed out, "Don't you remember that morning?" as the country crooner could not understand people that protest the war in Iraq. My reaction to that song, as I'm sure yours is too, is that "Yes, I remember. Do you?"

I would argue that we on the Left DO "remember". In fact, it is those on the Right that seem to be remembering something that never happened and forgetting what did occur:

I remember that Osama bin Laden attacked us on 9/11, not Saddam Hussein.
I remember that there were no Iraqi's on those planes.
I remember that we had weapons inspectors in Iraq destroying 4 al-Samoud missiles a day before we turned our attention away from getting Osama bin Laden to invade Iraq.
I remember we were told that the Iraq war would be paid for with Iraqi oil revenues and cost the American taxpayer barely a Billion dollars.
I remember that President Bush vowed not to stretch our military too thin with "Nation Building" around the world.
I remember the lessons of Vietnam and that none of the hawks in this Administration fought in it... often going to extraordinary lengths to avoid serving... yet have demonstrated nothing but contempt for those who did.
I remember the words of our Founding Fathers on the subjects of "checks & balances", "imperialism" and "basic human rights".

Our misguided friends on the Right demonstrate a very "convenient" memory, one in which Saddam Hussein, a man with no WMD's and under microscopic scrutiny, was a mortal threat to the United States... of such magnitude that it warranted distraction from completing the mission of capturing Osama bin Laden and the elimination of Al-Qaeda. A "revisionist" memory that has the entire world supporting an invasion of Iraq following the events of 9/11. A hypocritical memory that sees no disparity between "The Pro-life Party of Morality" whose war has killed more children each year than all the third-term abortions performed in the United States in the last decade.

The only thing that gives me solace at this point is the fact that their numbers are rapidly dwindling, and more and more people seem to be waking up to the reality.

"Don't you remember?" We do. Don't you?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 11:24 AM
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1. This is getting a BIG K and R from me.
What a great post.
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Mugsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 01:39 PM
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9. Thanks...
Hopefully the great DU SysOp's will feel the same. :)
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 11:26 AM
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2. K & R here, too!
GREAT POST!

:kick:
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Revolution_July4 Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 11:32 AM
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3. We have to stop this madness!

"The revolution starts now, in your own backyard, in your own hometown!" Steve Earle


Gold Star Families for Peace will announce a historic hunger strike against the war in Iraq. At 5pm, they will sit down in front of the White House to eat their last meal and hold a press conference before beginning the fast at the same location in the morning of July 4 at 10am.

“We’ve marched, held vigils, lobbied Congress, camped out at Bush’s ranch. We’ve even gone to jail. Now it’s time to do more,” says peace mom Cindy Sheehan. “While others are celebrating July 4th with barbeques, we’ll be showing our patriotism by putting our bodies on the line to bring our troops home.”
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Lowell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 11:32 AM
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4. Bookmarked and kicked
Excellent! I'm going to use it in its entirety next stupid email I get from a neocon.
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 11:33 AM
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5. Excellent
:thumbsup:

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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 11:37 AM
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6. I remember.
Every minute of every day.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 11:44 AM
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7. I believe that word should be 'transpire'
"But my conversations in real-life have yet to transgress so smoothly."

I remember the essay I wrote on the one year anniversary. Now, almost five years later multiply all those numbers by five - 495,000 deaths by accidents, 70,000 deaths by AIDS, 30,000,000 crimes of violence, 100,000 homicides, 150,000 suicides, over 1 million rapes ... Oooh, I am so scared of the Taraists :scared: :scared: :scared: Thank goodness the Saddamy-man was captured. Someday, if they ever get Bin Laden, I can take the duck tape and plastic off my windows.

Bird flu OTOH is kinda scary. At the time I wrote this I was not aware of the flu epidemic after WWI which killed more people than all of WWI.

"'In any war, the first casualty is the truth.' As we approach the anniversary of Sept. 11, that seems to be true of the war on terror. September 11 is being hyped by the media, as 'the day that changed America', is being used by the current administration as a justification for attacking Afghanistan, Iraq, North Korea, und there is talk of Saudi Arabia.
I do not want to minimise the death und destruction that took place on Sept. 11, but the government und the media seem determined to make it bigger than it is. They say: "America has been attacked und now America is at war." Compare the loss of 9-11 to an actual war. World War I, for example, cost 116,708 American lives, not to mention the devastation it caused to Germany, Austria, France, Great Britain, und Russia. That devastation was one of the chief causes of WWII which cost 407,316 American deaths, und over 40,000,000 deaths world-wide.
Before 9-11 is escalated into some kind of world-wide conflict between America und evil, or America und Islam, Americans should think about those numbers. How does the destruction of 9-11 compare to the destruction America subsequently caused in Afghanistan, or the destruction we previously caused in Iraq? Can we honestly say that the death und destruction we cause is justified, whereas that done to us is evil? Can we honestly call it "defense" to attack Iraq because they "might" pose a threat to us in the future? Since we are openly talking about attacking Iraq, wouldn't it be self-defense if they were to attack us?
To date, 9-11 is the only 'successful' terror attack we have seen on America, in America, for as long as I can remember. In the year following, there have been no other attacks (although fellow Americans continue to phone in false threats).
However, in the year following 9-11, there have been over 20,000 homicides in America, if this has been an average year. In the year 2000, U.S. residents age 12 or older experienced about 25.9 million crimes. 19 million were property crimes, 6.3 million were crimes of violence. There were about 250,000 rapes. Thus in an average year, 6.3 million Americans are terrorised by their fellow Americans. There is a war on terror for you.
99,860 people died in accidents in 1999, over 40,000 in automobile accidents. Maybe we should bomb Detroit, since that is at least eight times worse than what Al-quaida did in a year. 29,199 people killed themself in 1999, und HIV was a big killer, taking 14,802. In the same year, 3,823 people under 55 died of the flu or pneumonia, as did 59,907 people over 55. That is dwarfed by the over 600,000 who died of heart disease.
The health data is from NCHS, und it demonstrates that an ordinary year of homicide, accident, und disease are much worse enemies than any terrorists have managed so far. There are much better ways to spend billions of dollars than by using weapons of mass destruction on people who are so evil that they are trying to develop weapons of mass destruction.
As Edward Bellamy wrote: " ... who are the public enemies? Are they France, England, Germany, or hunger, cold, und nakedness? In your day governments were accustomed, on the slightest international misunderstanding, to seize upon the bodies of citizens und deliver them over by hundreds of thousands to death und mutilation, wasting their treasures the while like water; und all this oftenest for no imaginable profit to the victims."
Those who beat the drums of war against terror, are not looking at the enemies of humanity. Since war is terror, they are also like a fireman who shows up at a house fire with a flame-thrower. The war mongers eager to use violence against those they dislike are just like the terrorists they are claiming to fight - an enemy of peace, und of humanity."

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Mugsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:04 PM
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10. Oops, you're right.
Unfortunately, the post has been up too long to correct. :o
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 11:55 AM
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8. We do remember . . . we just don't shove it down everybody's throats
as the excuse for every illegal act and cover-up of corruption that the Republicans have embraced . . .
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:06 PM
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11. If I could recommend a couple thousand more I would! I will add that
there are thousands still missing from Katrina you could add to that number!
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:16 PM
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12. kick and recommend
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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:58 PM
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13. Excellent post!
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 11:21 PM
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14. Kick!
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 11:08 AM
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15. I re-watch F/911 on Memorial Day.
(Bowling for Columbine too.)


And yes, I remember. :patriot:
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 11:17 AM
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16. K&R!!!! Never forget the lies.
2500+ Americans demand we remember how they we sent to their deaths.


Well done Mugsy :patriot:
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