Why would anyone vote Republican?

[Erika]

We have wars when republicans have power. We have wealth redistribution from the middle class to the wealthy, we have societal needs cut to to the bone with corporate welfare increased.

We have our taxes given away in imperialism. We have the rich using our middle class kids die for their war and profits.

We see the middle class just about dead. Yet people vote republican? What masochistic sickness do they have?

[Warren DeMontague]

1. They're rich, dumb, or drunk on Jeeebus.

That pretty much sums it up.

[MADem]

13. Sometimes, all three!! NT

[SensibleAmerican]

48. ditto

n/t

[Hugin]

64. God, Guns, Gays, or Greed...

Hard of Thinking.

[lonestarnot]

72. Sumssss it up!

[Emit]

77. "Drunk on Jeebus" example here

These folks have been brainwashed. Here's a recent post by a fundie bush bot from another board I frequent:

I believe the reason Evangelicals support the war in Iraq is because they have a world view and a Biblical view of the events of the Middle East. I believe the reason Atheists oppose the war in Iraq is because it is interfering with homosexual movement to force the Atheistic lifestyle on America.

Atheists are more and more turning to CINOs (Christians In Name Only) to criticize Evangelicals. The reality is that the CINOs influence is being removed from the church. The Catholics and many other churches are removed homosexuals from any leadership positions. States are rejecting the Atheistic lifestyle.

~snip~

The only thing I feel bad about is that Christians are dying in Iraq and Atheists are included in the freedom that is being insured by the deaths.

Soldiers are the shield that stand between the enemy and freedom in America, the war protestors are the ones that stand behind the shield and stab the soldiers in the back. War and marriage are a lot alike. War should not be entered into lightly, but once entered into the commitment must be, "for better or worse". In marriage, the statement before the wedding of, "speak now or forever hold your peace" is applicable to war also. The war protestors and the Atheistic liberal news media that promotes them has been and continues to be traitors because they have given encouragement to the enemy and prolonged the war thus causing more deaths. Too many people in America are expecting the benefits of war, but do not deserve these benefits because they are not paying the price for those benefits.

There is a cultural war in America between Christians and Atheists. This war is being fought on the battlefield of politics. The battles are in the voting booth. The prize in the cultural war is the hearts, minds and souls of the children. The Atheistic liberal news media greatly influences both domestic and foreign policy by constantly reporting only bad news about Christians, conservatives and Republicans and only good news about atheists, liberals and democrats. The agenda of the Atheistic liberal news media is to promote environmentalism, socialism, feminism, pornography, abortion, homosexuality and the Atheistic lifestyle by getting democrats back in control of government.

http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?topic_view=threads&p=411521&t=58177

Scary thing is that I have a couple of family members who believe exactly as this poster -- very frightening indeedy.

[EFerrari]

2. Because they can't believe anyone would be that evil. n/t

[Erika]

3. The axis of evil does need to be questioned

Good point.

[EFerrari]

5. It's always "over there" for them.e Hmm. n/t

[Richard Steele]

11. Yup- anyone spouting such ridiculous crap MUST be telling the truth...

...because no one would ever be stupid enough to
say it if it was a LIE, right?

[laundry_queen]

17. I've run into this type.

During a discussion about 9/11 and M/LIHOP on a non-political board this nice lady says, I voted for Bush because I'm a republican and, overall I think he's not done as well as he could have, and I'm not sure about the official 9/11 story, but I can't, CAN'T believe anyone could be that evil to do that to their own country. I mean, yeah, he's done some things that aren't great, but he's not EVIL, because I don't understand how anyone COULD be that evil.

I responded: "That's what they count on - you are a good person, a caring person. You never in a million years could fathom doing anything 'evil'. And that is what they count on. Your disbelief that anyone could be 'like that'. Well, they are 'like that'. Evil people do exist and they don't always have horns or evil tattooed across their foreheads. "

[liberalla]

81. Unless it's a liberal, and then they're willing to believe anything.

They're indoctrinated through and through. They don't think for themselves.

If they start to consider some of the big lies, reality starts to seep in and that is very scary. They become extremely uncomfortable. They cling to the hope and belief that their guy is right and they have to stand by him, because if he's NOT, then everything they believe in is WRONG. They can't have that. I really think they are heavily invested in being right. (as in correct)

They've been fooled, but now they want to stay fooled. They will not open their eyes to opposing views or facts. This is the hardcore 26% +/- still supporting *.

They choose loyalty to a party (GOP) over loyalty to country.
Now, that is UN-American if you ask me!

[Selatius]

4. Because they are too self-concerned

You'll vote for the Repubs if

you are suspicious of minorities and by extension the Dems,
you think social programs are useless and reward laziness,
you are rich and powerful and don't want to pay taxes to help poor people,
you stand to make a lot of money in the next great war,
you think the death penalty is a good form of justice,
you think gays are a threat to society,
you believe everybody can rise out of poverty and adversity if they work hard enough,
you believe in Social Darwinism where the strong survive and the weak perish, and
you think your workers should not have the power to run the state, much less your business.

It makes perfect sense to vote for Republicans if destroying the middle class and provoking wars means you retire with a bigger wad of cash. Everyone else who stands to lose yet votes for you is simply a useful idiot who will be expended at the end of the day.

[Erika]

8. And if you hate Christ's love and compassion for the poor

you will vote republican. You believe Christ was a misguided long haired, sandal wearing hippie, who didn't properly appreciate capitalism.

[Selatius]

10. Man, I made some huge oversights on my part

Let me go back and edit them in.

[Warren DeMontague]

51. I'm a long haired sandal-wearing hippie

but I was never quite able to get the hang of that water into wine bit.

Would have come in VER-RY handy back in my drinking days, I'll tell you that.

[Skip Intro]

6. That party has been corrupted beyond salvation - n/t

[upi402]

7. "Why would anyone vote Republican?" - TV news propaganda

[bigtree]

9. peace takes courage

-ava

[The Anti-Neo Con]

12. Anyone who's a true racist always will vote that way. n/t

[Swamp Rat]

14. fear, hatred, greed, paranoia, stupidity, insanity... ad infinitum

[Retired AF Dem]

15. As the war thing goes

need to study your history.

[Ino]

16. They believe the lies...

Read my lips -- no new taxes

Welfare & Other Social Programs (resented by those who struggle to pay their own way)

The Party of Family Values (meaning anti-choice & anti-gay, but they actually think the Repugs are completely MORAL just because they say they are)

Tough on Crime (except for their own crimes of course)

Small Government (which means no regulation of Big Business, but they think it means no waste)

... or they're just greedy M-Fs

[Skittles]

24. they are easily brain-washed

dittoheads, unable to truly think for themselves

[hfojvt]

18. it has been a long time

but I have voted Republican. Way back when I first voted - Jimmy Carter was portrayed by the media as a bumbling incompetent. Second, the Democratic candidate for Senate had already served 3 terms, which was as long as I had been alive. I did not believe in lifetime tenure in office, and I still don't. It would suck to lose people like Byrd and Kennedy, but if our government is to be "of the people" then our representatives should not be making a career out of it. What happened when McGovern got defeated? Did he retire to SD or go back to Mitchell and get a job or practice law? No, like Daschle, he stayed in DC, thus proving my point. After a career in politics he was no longer a South Dakotan.

But once I got a college education and hit the job market, I did not make that mistake again. Until 1992. Clinton, Bush, Perot. They all sounded like Republicans to me. So I voted Socialist Workers, which was a defacto vote for Bush, just like a Nader vote in 2000.

Then in 1996, my Democratic candidate was former Madison mayor Paul Soglin. His opponent, Scott Klug, impressed me as a knowledgeable moderate. Soglin, OTOH, ignored my town. He never visited, he did not advertise locally, etc. I just thought, if he ignores us as a candidate will he be any better if he is elected? Places outside Madison were part of the district too, and should not be ignored by a candidate. His opponent didn't ignore us, and earned my vote.

[w4rma]

30. So it was minor inconsequential details that got you to vote against your

interests. In other words, a good marketing strategy.

[lpbk2713]

19. Because pedophile Limbaugh tells them to

and they don't have a mind of their own, so they do what he tells them.

[B Calm]

70. Propaganda is a huge part of it!

[B Calm]

20. Have you noticed the suck-ups at work, they vote republican too..

my sig line is an old saying that my dad told me years ago...

[klyon]

21. because they believe what the rethugs have told them and are not

listening:
biggest is "Dems will take your guns away"
next biggest "Dems are at fault with their liberal ways"
"Dems are antiAmerica"
"Dems are godless"
"Dems are on the side of terrorists that want to take away your rights"
"Dems can not be trusted"
"Dems will take your money and give it to welfare 'Queens'"
"Dems are a bunch of 'tree huggers'"
the list goes on I'm sure

For Dems to win the must get throuygh to this guy, must open his/her eyes.

[B Calm]

22. They usually vote because of one issue. Be it Guns, taxes, school

vouchers, prayer in school, burning the flag, separation of church and state, abortion, etc etc. The Republican party has convinced people into believing that if you are hooked up to any one of these issues, then you must be a republican. For the most part, all working class people who vote republican are just clueless. I asked one guy once why he votes republican, and he started singing the National Anthem. The republicans have successfully staked out highly emotional issues, then turned around and convinced lower wage workers that the democrats are bad, republicans are good. Some vote republican, because they're afraid the democrats will pass environmental laws requiring their polluting employer to abide, thus getting laid off.

[B Calm]

23. Continued:

Take the tax issue for an example. Republicans have convinced many lower wage workers into believing that cutting taxes on the wealthiest, will stimulate the economy and create jobs. Ignoring the fact that Trickle Down Economics doesn’t work. When manufacturing jobs move out of the country, they want you to believe its because of high taxes and labor unions demanding to much. Now we are finding out, it was never because of high taxes, hell they don't pay any. Its all about the bottom line, corporate greed and exploiting the United States like it was a cash cow, to be milked, harvested and to funnel our 401K investment funds internationally.

Republicans use scare tactics, to scare the working class into voting for them. If they didn't use the scare tactics, there is no chance they could win. They use racism to push their agenda. They want you to believe that all unmarried black woman with children are welfare queens. Homeless people are all lazy leeches. To fool the people, they’ll also have you believe that every other country has an evil dictator out to get us. After all we always have to have that Boogie Man to fool the taxpayer into believing that we need to waste billions of tax dollars building up the military to protect us. In reality, all they’re doing is keeping the military pork corporations that contribute to republican party happy. They’ll also have you believe that they’re a friend to the enlisted man. Then they turn around and treat people in uniform as dumb stupid animals to be used for corporate foreign policy..

A man that works for a paycheck and votes republican, is equivalent as a deer joining the National Rifle Association.

[NoSheep]

26. Also, the "working people" of this country who vote for repukes

do NOT want to believe they are working class. They don't identify themselves with the working class people who support democrats

[unpossibles]

33. I have noticed this too

the people my wife calls "$50,000 millionaires" like to see themselves as part of or soon joining the economic elite class. They think that the tax "breaks" and repeal of estate tax actually is helping them directly.

Another thing I have noticed: they see themselves as "self-made" even though I would say almost no one is completely self-made, that luck and connections have as much to do with success as hard work. I do believe in hard work - hell, I have had years of working multiple jobs and I worked my way through college - but I also recognize that some people have more inherent opportunities than others.

I always find it ironic that they say we think we're elite, when in actuality they are the ones trying to limit the rights and voting of the peons and look down their noses at us.

[B Calm]

55. I'm working with a guy like that right now.

[Hubert Flottz]

25. Stupid!

Ignorant!

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

27. Because they're idiots.

:shrug:

[Generic Brad]

46. Being dumber than a box of rocks is definitely a factor

I hate to paint any segment of the population with a broad brush, but I also feel obligated to call them as I see them.

[anarch]

28. so gays can't get married

or if they are really, really rich, then their interests are being looked after. For the majority of republicans, though, I think it's because the democrats will take away all their guns and let "Adam and Steve" get married.

[Gregorian]

29. Husbands and fathers.

I know so many people who are Democrats at heart, and or who come from Democtratic families. But often they change. Usually people do what they're told or feel they should do. Their father was a Republican. Their husband is a Republican. People often do things to make other people right. Other people who are important to them. I say husbands and fathers because those are the figures who are usually obeyed. One good example is my aunt. My father is a liberal Democrat. His sister married a surgeon who came from "the old country". He drove around Hollywood in his Cadillac only listening to Armenian music, and only operating on Armenian patients. Often for free. But he was a staunch Republican. Now my aunt is anything but a Republican. But even after my uncle's death, my dad cannot convince this woman to stop thinking and voting in her husband's best interest. And so goes many of the people in this country. Just voting the way they think they should vote, not voting the way they want America to be.

I can say this because I am single and I've studied this for decades. It's etiquette. It's weakness. It's listening to someone else instead of being an individual and making up one's own mind.

It's more complex than that, but that's it in a nutshell.

And then there are those who buy into the Republican hype. They just don't care about anyone else but themselves. Basically, they're evil and ignorant.

[LSK]

31. cuz they are brainwashed dumbfucks

Mostly they selfish, ignorant, think war is cool, and think they are high and mighty.

[Ksec]

32. Theyre from different planets

They have different ways of looking at things. Some see things from one issue veiwpoints. Some are uninformed. Some are racists. My Brother votes Repub for one reason. Abortion. Nothing else matters. Ive had knock down, drag out fights with him about this, and he refuses to budge, even an inch. We both came from the same place. A small blue collar town . Dad was a steelworker, Mom worked in a pottery for over forty years. Im die hard Dem. Hes die hard repuke. 2 yrs age difference .Go figure.

[Joe Chi Minh]

34. Abroad is the only place some people don't feel they're

underdogs, and they like the aggression expressed by a Republican-(mis)governed US overseas?

[proud patriot]

35. 1) are rich 2) think will someday be rich 3) are evil

4) are told to by shady preachers

[slackmaster]

36. Those who fail to understand their opponents have a major handicap

I suggest that anyone who honestly does not understand why people might vote Republican should concentrate on figuring it out.

If you really don't understand why the other half votes the way they do, then you have no hope of ever being able to convince them to do otherwise. The comments made on this thread will serve only to insult and alienate moderate people, and as laughingstock for your detractors.

All I am going to tell you is that voting Republican is not necessarily an indication that someone is less intelligent than you are, less educated, or less compassionate, or that they are morally challenged or insane. It does not necessarily indicate that they have been duped.

Admitting that you have a problem is often the first step towarard solving it. The problem just about everyone on this thread has is lack of understanding.

Please think about it.

[Ksec]

39. so enlighten us

I listed a few reasons on my post. Your turn.

[slackmaster]

41. I guess you missed the "All I am going to tell you..." part

Understanding how other people think, feel, and behave is a do-it-yourself project.

My understanding may not be transferrable to you, and I will not subject myself to the likely outcome of being asked to defend the people we are talking about. Understanding does not equate to agreement, but avoiding it is IMO lazy and nonproductive.

My mom was a Republican for most of her life, as were her parents, and many other family members and friends of mine. Most are good, decent, caring people.

Do your own homework, please.

BTW I read and liked your post.

Just one more word of caution: Most of the scathing criticisms I have seen in this thread have a flip side.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

49. You know what's really funny about it? After all the years of Pop- Psych,

"figuring ourselves", touchy feely CRAP, and the rest we can't seem to figure what makes some people tick?!?!?!?! INCREDIBLE!!! I really do have to hand it to the Republicans on this one! They get it about their own people! And it seems they know how to play with the liberal mind too! And I sometimes wonder who really are the stupid ones when it comes understanding people!

[slackmaster]

62. Understanding others often improves with age

At 48, after interacting with thousands of people with different points of view, I see orders of magnitude more clearly than I did at 18 or 28.

[uppityperson]

66. Fear. That is why I think people act as they do.

Yes, there are some stupid people, some evil people in the world, always will be some fringe people. BUT, most people act as they do out of fear. People get into habits because it is easier and less fearful than the unknown. People want more because they are afraid, are greedy due to fear, divide up into "us" and "them", me and you and you are bad due to fear.

Now, what to do about it?

[quiet.american]

37. I've concluded it's because they hate the welfare system.

This seems to be the string running through all who vote Republican. They take the complex issues of welfare and distill it into the old stereotype of the "welfare queen" (who, in their minds is never white, btw), and they pull that lever for a Republican.

Then add to that the old faves, anti-choice and pro-war, and that's my conclusion about why people vote for Republicans.

[slackmaster]

38. I know a Republican woman who is on welfare

She does indeed hate the system.

[quiet.american]

44. :). n/t

[B Calm]

45. A lot of republicans I know are the first ones to abuse social programs

[slackmaster]

63. My friend was dragged into it, kicking and screaming all the way

Accepting public assistance was and is considered shameful in her immigrant family.

I am aware of the circumstances she was in at the time she made the decision. It was a very hard choice.

[LibDemAlways]

40. Various reasons.

My husband's aunt votes repuke because she's an anti-abortion fanatic who thinks Dems are Godless heathens who get their kicks slaughtering innocent children.

My aunt votes repuke because she hates "lazy minorities."

The dad of my daughter's friend votes repuke because he's got more money than he knows what to do with and he wants to keep it all.

A guy in an office I worked in briefly votes repuke because he's addicted to Rush and Hannity and believes whatever shit they're shoveling.

My sister-in-law tells me she's a "liberal" repuke, which means she's clueless.

There are as many reasons for voting repuke as there are repukes, but they all have to do with greed, ignorance, stupidity or some combination thereof.

[Lady Effingbroke]

42. My family are knee-jerk, die-hard repugs.

Racist, "welfare-queen", "illegal-alien" hating, blame it all on the "tax-and-spend, elite democrats" faux-nooz-talking-points spewing repugs, brainwashed by years of media saturation and manipulation.

They couldn't care less as long as they can continue to live in the style to which they have been long accustomed and go shopping.

Typical clueless suburban 'Murkins.

:evilfrown:

[leftofthedial]

43. because the software in the electronic voting machine they used

allowed their vote to be switched


either that, or they are insane or a criminal

there are zero other possibilities

[uppityperson]

47. they are scared & it's easier to Believe than Think.

much less scary to believe than risk the uncertainty of thought (what if you were wrong? what if you had to be uncomfortable by questioning?)

[tomreedtoon]

50. Because the Democrats haven't fought back!

It isn't simply a matter of calling the Republicans and the people who voted for them idiots, as so many DU posters love to do. The fact is that the Democratic Party has appeared weak, indecisive and uncaring about the lives of common citizens, and they have done nothing to counter that.

The last two Presidential candidates withered under not very powerful fire. Part of it was that they didn't accept "outside agitators" like Limbaugh, Coulter and the Swift Boaters as the dirty left hand of the Republican Party, and didn't respond to them. And another part was that they didn't craft campaign issues to help the middle class and the poor - or if they did, they didn't bother telling anyone such as the potential voters.

There has been no serious opposition to the Republicans. Maybe this year that might start to change.

[EFerrari]

58. Ah, it's a matter of fact that Al Gore WON the 2000 election

and Kerry probably won Ohio. Those candidates didn't wither.

But, I do agree with you that the Democrats don't have a package that competes well with the Thugs' package. And as corrupted as our elections have become with a higher return rate than the old Soviet Union had, at times they don't seem to care very much that they don't.

[tomreedtoon]

67. Sorry, but they both withered.

They put up minimal resistance to the Republican "tweaking" of the vote. Didn't you see the first few minutes of "Farenheit 9/11"? It had Al Gore turning down challenges that were supposed to help him win, from black congresspeople who looked as heartbroken as if slavery had just been reinstated. (Well, then again, it was under Bush, wasn't it?)

Didn't you know that Edwards fought for an investigation in Ohio while Kerry laid down and played dead?

But that's not the important point. If either had developed a strong agenda that appealed to people, above and beyond the fearmongering and name-calling of the Republicans, the elections wouldn't have been that close and that "tweakable."

I've finally decided it isn't simply the Democratic candidates who don't want to win; it's also the Democratic Party apparatus. Only us voters want the Democrats to win, and they aren't inspiring our confidence.

[B Calm]

65. Joe Lieberman is finding out the hard way!

[tomreedtoon]

69. WHAT is Lieberman finding out?

True, things look down for him now, but since the Democratic Party doesn't really want to challenge Bush's reign, he'll be allowed to run his "Pants-Down Democrat" campaign or whatever he wants to call it. And you can bet the Republicans will quietly shove money his way to make sure he wins.

After all, like these other three guys, Lieberman has been one of the best friends Bush has.


"Dubya is Our President, and he won't let us down!"

[oasis]

52. Dumbass wage slaves vote GOP because a minumum wage increase would

hurt their corporate masters.:dunce: dumbass bastards.:dunce: :dunce:

[jsamuel]

53. because they don't want to believe things are as bad as Dems say they are

they don't want to spend time/money on fixing problems, would rather ignore them

[shanti]

54. willful ignorance?

:shrug:

[dbt]

56. Two Words: Mike Ross.

Proud to be a "Conservative Democrat." Supported the latest flag-burning amendment and, by his own admission, STUPID enough to still believe that bu$h was telling the truth about WMD in Iraq.

If this Cracker In A Cheap Suit ain't a Republican, I don't need to see a real one.

:argh:
dbt
Remember New Orleans

[Cobalt Violet]

57. The greed envoked by the GOPs promised of tax cuts.

The main purpose.

[B Calm]

59. Republicans have successfully staked out highly emotional issues

Then they convinced people if you are hooked up to any one of their wedge issues you must be republican.

Democrats need to do the same thing back. Take this stupid flag burning issue and turn it around. Start screaming we need a law that makes it illegal to sell, buy, and display an United States Flag that wasn't made in the United States.

Start calling illegal immigrants by their real name, "Republican Cheap Labor Guest Workers".

[newportdadde]

60. I recommend reading "What's the Matter with Kansas?"

In a nutshell the Democratic Party has moved away from its populist roots and now mirrors economic policy that the blue collar, average American sees as being very close to the Republican economic policy, ie they are both pro-corporation. Neither party REALLY cares about offshoring jobs or H1B visas etc.

When this occurs the voter will then move on to social issues which there is a difference in. They do this because they feel by taking a side on social issues they will finally be able to 'win' something.. anything, like no gay marriage, abortion etc.

Think about this.. the populist movement at the turn of last century STARTED in the plains, in Kansas, what an amazing change.

[JI7]

61. usually because of greed and fear

greed for the obvious reasons. but fear also. there are people who are truly scared that "bad guys" are out to get them and only Republicans will protect them. the Dems are viewed as anti war or weak on defense. but Republicans are viewed as tough on defense. if they vote out of fear they will most likely automatically go with the Republicans.

i read a post online from someone who is scared of North Korea after the missile tests. they actually think that North Korea has the ability to come here and take over with these weapons. it just reveals a total ignorance of how things are. and how far more powerful our nation is if it were to come to wmds.

[Raydawg1234]

68. As Hunter S Thompson said, maybe the people just prefer Tyrany.

[Name removed]

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[Warren DeMontague]

73. One more thing about you...

I bet you like frozen pizza!

[uppityperson]

74. So WHY do you vote Republican (ALWAYS)?

curious

[Marr]

75. Not really. You just sound like an uninformed shithead.

Uninformed shitheads are the backbone of Bush support.

[uppityperson]

80. One more thing, you have no voice but a nice stone

[Raydawg1234]

84. What did that guy say? Didnt see until after deleated

[uppityperson]

85. "I am a republican" and the clenis did it. basically.

and a rant about "we" democrats being narrowminded I think. pretty boring.

[conflictgirl]

76. They believe they're part of the upper class, or will be

There's some statistic I read once about the number of people who believe that they're in the top income brackets, as compared to the number of people who actually are. Far more people believe that they're in the top income brackets than actually are. For example, my mother-in-law has a combined household income of about $100,000. She believes that she is in the income bracket the Republicans are talking about when it comes to taxes. She believes that the estate tax issue will actually affect her when her mother dies, despite the fact that her mother's estate is worth less than $50,000.

I think a lot of people who vote Republican who aren't as well-off financially assume that some day, they will be, so their vote is aspirational based on the status they expect to have. How ironic, then, that their vote makes it *less* likely that they'll ever achieve that status.

[Ksec]

78. Lots of them are racists

and they think the GOP is the party for them. I tend to agree with them on that point.

I know a guy who votes GOP because he says the Dems will take his guns.

I know quite a few who vote GOP because of the abortion issue.

Most are one issue types/

[Beelzebud]

79. Brain damage?

[eek MD]

82. a few reasons...

Basically republican voters fall into one of the following categories: self-centered and greedy (The ultra-rich and ultra-rich wannabees), egotistical (The jock crowd who thinks it's "macho" to vote for war), paranoid and hateful(gun-nuts, racists, homophobes, etc), or just flat out want to push their personal beliefs onto everybody else (evangelicals, anti-choicers).

[USA_1]

83. Why????????

Because Diebold machines count votes for Dems as votes for Pukes.

So why haven't the Dems removed those Diebold machines?

[mitchum]

86. Greed, hatred, or stupidity