Reactions to the latest Terrrrrrrr alert?

[The Witch]

My whole office is all OMG-ing. I am sitting here with :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: and hoping these guys have more than Official Jihad Boots(TM)...

[Ezlivin]

1. I'm stocking up on duct tape and bottled water

I'm also tuning into Rush Limbaugh because I know he's got my best interest at heart.

:crazy:

[masshole]

4. What, no plastic sheeting?

Your tempting fate, duct tape without plastic sheeting is just inviting a terrorist attack!

[soleft]

2. what alert? Is this the tunnel thing?

[librechik]

3. look, everybody! This time it's REAL!! Honest!!!

piffle

[npincus]

5. not too f*cking happy

I can't stomache this shit anymore. We live in NJ, travel thru the tunnels all the time... these fucks should burn in hell for the psychological warfare, terror manipulations they inflict upon all Americans.

[NoSheep]

6. sooooo, can you fill me in on the latest "scare"?

[NYC]

7. Several, apparently.

Holland Tunnel. When they blew it up, it would cause the river to rush into the city. (Interesting thinking.) One person arrested in Lebanon. Two people in foreign countries are in custody, but not charged.

Army guy rushed the cockpit door on a plane, and was tackled by passengers.

Some kind of Texas tick that is very aggressive in seeking humans is now in Long Island.

[Breeze54]

9. I heard about this a long time ago

But I guess they were talking about it on the news today.
I only heard part but I thought they said this alert was from 2002?
This isn't a 'new terrrrr alert' is it?
:shrug:

The "Lone Star Tick" was announced as being newly found on Cape Cod today also!
It's aggressive but isn't supposed to carry Lyme Disease... yet!


http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/9479535/detail.html

New Tick Discovered In Bay State
Officials See Rise In Number Of Lyme Disease Cases

POSTED: 5:39 pm EDT July 6, 2006
UPDATED: 6:17 pm EDT July 6, 2006

PLYMOUTH, Mass. --

In some areas of Cape Cod, deer ticks are out in full force, and now there's a new tick in the area.
"Somewhere around 25 percent of these have Lyme disease," Simser said.
"They wait around with its four legs in the air waiting for a source or heat to walk by and then they just latch on."

Now, a new tick has been discovered on the Cape -- the Lone Star tick.

The lone star tick, named for the prominent white dot on the back of the adult female
http://www.ipm.iastate.edu/ipm/iiin/tlonesta.html

:shrug: Has Delay been up in the Northeast lately?? :rofl:

[NYC]

12. The Holland Tunnel is from 2002?

Billionaire Bloomberg and Ray Kelly made it sound as though it was current. Could be that the plot was from 2002, and the arrest of the person in Lebanon is current.

Who knows?

I think the Lone Star Ticks are more of a threat. Not good.

[Breeze54]

18. Yes, I remember hearing about the

Holland Tunnel and other tunnels being at risk from terrorists in the US.
It was a news show like 20/20 or something.
I remember it because I was driving back and forth to NYC at the time and was leary.
I remember them talking about that tunnel fire in Baltimore also!
Remember that?
:shrug:

=======================

I remember this too!

http://news.com.com/2100-1023_3-234832.html

AOL reports alleged chat room terrorist threat
By Sandeep Junnarkar
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
Published: December 23, 1999, 7:10 AM PST

A New Jersey man was arrested by federal agents after he allegedly posted a message
in an America Online chat room threatening to leave a van filled with explosives
in a tunnel leading to New York City.

Renato DeSousa Flor was arrested yesterday by members of the Joint Terrorism Task
Force after AOL alerted the force about the posting of the threat in a chat room.
The message was sent using an AOL email account.

"A blue van with explosives will be riding followed up by 2 cars...entering the tunnel..
the van will be placed sideways...once its reaches the middle of the tunnel..
then the driver will get inside of one of the cars and exit the tunnel,"
the posting warned, according to a statement by the FBI's Newark, N.J., field office.
"F.B.I. and C.I.A. BEWARE!"

No bombs were found after police and bomb-sniffing dogs combed several tunnels leading
into New York. No explosives were found at Flor's home.

The threat comes at a time of widespread heightened tensions about terrorist attacks
as the year 2000 approaches.
Last week, a man caught smuggling bomb-making chemicals into the United States from Canada
was arrested. Earlier this week, Washington, D.C., police said they would be on high alert
for terrorism on New Year's Eve.

[NYC]

20. They said in general that the bridges and tunnels were at risk.

I don't think they specifically said that someone expected the river to rush into the city if the tunnel was blown up. That's so bizarre, I would remember it.

Maybe that wasn't a real "threat" in 2002, but just a likelihood that if someone was to blow something up, bridges and tunnels would make appropriate choices.

I don't remember the Baltimore tunnel fire.

You never can tell. Today, it's ticks, tunnels, and the army guy on the plane rushing the cockpit door. The day is young. Maybe more later.

[Breeze54]

21. here it is- Bomb threat closes Baltimore Harbor Tunnel - 2005.10.18

http://www.tollroadsnews.com/cgi-bin/a.cgi/DhImRkAREdqcEIJ61nsxIA

2005.10.18
TERRORISM
Bomb threat closes Baltimore Harbor Tunnel

A tip about a threat to the Baltimore Harbor tunnels resulted in two hour closures today.
The Harbor Tunnel, twin tubes of 2-lanes carrying I-895 was closed completely about 11:30am
and the nearby Fort McHenry Tunnel carrying I-95 in four 2-lane tubes had partial closures
for searches. It was never completely closed. There were long backups on approaches.
Traffic was being advised to take the Baltimore Beltway (I-895).

more at link....

http://www.tollroadsnews.com/cgi-bin/figure.cgi?figureid=13790&type=thumbnail

http://www.tollroadsnews.com/cgi-bin/figure.cgi?figureid=13791&type=thumbnail
Al Qaeda #2 Ayman al-Zawahiri has said that "more than half the battle is in the media"

snip-->
"It is possible the whole threat was a hoax." TOLLROADSnews 2005-10-18 <--snip

-------------------
Ya Think??

[NYC]

27. Thanks. So, there was no actual fire, just a tip.

"A tip about a threat to the Baltimore Harbor tunnels resulted in two hour closures today."

You have to wonder who supplied the tip.

[Breeze54]

43. There was a fire in Baltimore Tunnel but not from that tip.

Fire Storm

The 2001 Baltimore Tunnel Fire Still Smolders
By Van Smith

For three days in July 2001, chemical tankers and railroad cars filled with paper burned out of control in a downtown tunnel under Howard Street. As the inferno's smoke cleared, the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) started its work to determine the fire's origin--an ongoing, secretive investigation whose long-awaited preliminary results, at last word, are expected to be released sometime this spring.

Unbeknownst to most, though, in September 2001 the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) also began studying the Baltimore fire and obtained privileged information from the NTSB investigation. The NRC hoped to lay to rest a controversial question: Would a nuclear-waste rail cask, a heavy-duty container designed to move spent nuclear fuel around the country, have leaked any of its deadly contents had it been in the hottest part of the Baltimore tunnel fire? In February, the NRC's results were released: The agency predicted that a cask would have survived intact. But not everyone is convinced by the study's findings.
"The NRC's report is an attempt to downplay the real-world conditions that might actually cause casks to fail and release radioactive materials, as we believe the Baltimore rail-tunnel fire would have done," Robert Halstead told City Paper after the report was released. Halstead is a consultant for the state of Nevada's Agency for Nuclear Projects, which has battled the NRC for years over nuclear-waste transportation issues.

Halstead was one of dozens of nuclear-waste safety experts, nuclear industry officials, engineers, and citizens gathered at a March 6 public meeting at the NRC headquarters in Rockville to debate the protocol the NRC will use to determine transportation-cask safety and durability. The Baltimore tunnel fire was very much on the agenda.

Views on the risks posed to nuclear-waste transportation casks by an event like the Baltimore fire have been divided since news of the fire spread across the country in the summer of 2001 ("Hot Line," Sept. 12, 2001) http://www.citypaper.com/2001-09-12/feature.html

More at link... http://www.citypaper.com/news/story.asp?id=4701

see also: http://www.ci.baltimore.md.us/news/press/010904b.html
Press Advisory
September 4, 2001

Mayor reopens critical downtown thoroughfares
Howard and Lombard intersection closed since tunnel fire

[partylessinOhio]

28. The tunnel plot is OLD NEWS. This so called plot is from ONE YEAR AGO.

It is really a sign of sick desperation that terror plots are now being "recycled" for extra shock value to scare America into voting to keep these same old politicians in office.


BTW, it was admitted in one of today's pressers that this plot was uncovered one year ago.

[NYC]

30. Thanks. Plot from a year ago.

So glad they made it sound like today's plot.

Last year, they closed the dept. at the CIA that was looking for OBL. They reported it a few days ago. ???

During Bush's Chicago speech today, in response to a journalist's question, Bush said the story was absolutely untrue.

Whom do you trust?

Why do we find things out so late, and what value do they have?

Now, I'm wondering how long that person in Lebanon has been in custody. ???

[partylessinOhio]

35. This * gang throws terror plots out to take our focus off real news like:

the Iraq war, the failure in Afghanistan, the slaughter of the Palestinians, the cost of gas, the increased prices of goods and foods, the lack of quality health care, failure to educate our children, and the loss of financial security for most Americans.

It's diversion and we should not fall for it.

[NYC]

36. I know it is intended as a distraction, but who knew they

would resurrect a year old plot. Someone here said it was a year old.

After all these hours, I notice the radio is saying this is a year old plot.

Nonetheless, we had a 1:30 press conference with Billionaire Bloomberg and Ray Kelly, NYPD.

It certainly gave the impression that it was a current event. They should have stuck to the ticks as distraction. That got my attention.

Lone Star ticks, recently came to NY area, considered aggressive.

[partylessinOhio]

38. The plot was in planning for Oct/Nov of last year:

I did catch Bloomberg's remarks about the Homeland funding for New York. After reading this below I wonder if this was staged at this late date to get more money from the Feds.

_______________

July 7, 2006
New York Tunnel Plot Is Uncovered in Early Stage
By JOHN O'NEIL

A terrorist plot to set off explosives in the PATH railway tunnels under the Hudson River in October or November was disrupted in its planning stages, and several suspects in the plot have been apprehended, law enforcement officials said today.

Mark J. Mershon, the agent in charge of the Federal Bureau of Investigation's New York office, said at a news conference this afternoon that Lebanese officials had taken the plot's "mastermind" into custody in Beirut and that he had confessed. Mr. Mershon said that the Lebanese officials had identified the suspect as Assem Hammoud, a 31-year-old Lebanese native, and reported that Mr. Hammoud had sworn allegiance to Al Qaeda.Mr. Mershon said two of the other eight people he described as "principal players" in the plot had been taken into custody in other countries, although none had yet been charged with any crimes. He said that an investigation was continuing, involving six countries on three continents.

Also at the news conference were Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg and Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly of New York. Mr. Bloomberg said the thwarted plot illustrated once again why the city deserves more federal funds to counter terrorism. "This is just another example, in a long line of them, as to why we have to continue to keep our vigilance up, and why, with homeland security funding, we can do that," he said. "The American government should give out homeland security monies based on risk."

No one involved in the plot had set foot in the United States, Mr. Mershon said. Mr. Kelly said no bomb materials had been acquired and no reconnaissance had been conducted by the plotters.

But Mr. Mershon said the arrests overseas were made at a crucial time. "The plot had matured to the point where the individuals were about to go to a phase where they would attempt to surveil targets, establish a regimen of attacks and acquisition of the resources needed to effectuate the attacks," he said. ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/07/nyregion/07tunnel.html?ex=1309924800&en=127e7e0c8af9a3ae&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

[NYC]

39. So, do you think the timing was a ploy for funding?

Is that why they made such a big deal out of a year old plot? Why didn't they do this earlier, as soon as they found out funding was cut?

Maybe they just thought of it. Who knows?

[Breeze54]

44. I think they meant this coming Oct./Nov. 2006

"Authorities decided to take the plot down now, a year after the investigation began
because it appeared the suspects were "about to move forward" in October or November,
said Mershon, who called it "the real deal."

[partylessinOhio]

40. Here is another link that says the plot was a year old:

But the arrest of Hammoud happened on April 27 - however it does not give a year of the arrest.


________________

In the latest case, a federal official said FBI agents determined that tunnels were possibly being targeted after investigators pieced together code words from Internet conversations.

Mershon said the case has been under investigation for almost a year. He confirmed the alleged Lebanon operative's identity as Assem Hammoud.

Lebanese police issued a statement Friday saying that the operative belonged to "an extremist group that was in the process of preparing to carry out a major terrorist act in the United States" later this year.

He was tracked through Internet communications "related to the planning of a major terror act in the metro tunnels of New York under the Hudson River," the statement said.

A Lebanese security official said police arrested Hammoud on April 27 based on information from the FBI. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060707/ap_on_re_us/new_york_tunnels_plot_17;_ylt=AtJwwefDPQFgT5EFschsEHkTv5UB;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

[NYC]

41. So, his arrest isn't even current.

I do wish we had honesty in government, and concern for citizens instead of concern for politicians.

[partylessinOhio]

42. That appears to be the case. There is no honesty with this cabal.

The people that heard this news or saw the news conferences will be stirred up all weekend feeling there is danger around the tunnels in the New York area. Most won't investigate on their own to verify if the "terror plot" was current.

[Breeze54]

32. That's what I said.

But there was also a terrorist threat back in 1999 for the tunnels in NY and NJ and MD.
See down thread.

[blogslut]

24. FYI on ticks

If one discovers a tick embedded on oneself, one's child or one's animal, drop a few drops of Campho Phenique on the critter. This shocks the tick and makes it "release" its grip long enough for one to safely extract it.

[Breeze54]

25. Thanks for the tip!

My town is north of Cape Cod but my town has the highest incidences of Lyme disease in Mass!
Or at least that's what they stated on the news last year.
We have a lot of deer traveling through here and living here and a lot of horses.
:hi:

[blogslut]

26. glad to help

My old roomate was nurse and she told me that's how they removed ticks. Unfortunately, I was able to prove it works when I found one embedded behind my child's ear. Drop the campho and the tick just lets go.

[slackmaster]

11. Let the Dutch worry about their own damn tunnel

One person arrested in Lebanon.

Why would the police waste public finds rousting a self-help group for homosexual women? Makes no sense!

Army guy rushed the cockpit door on a plane, and was tackled by passengers.

He probably needed to us the lavatory.

Some kind of Texas tick that is very aggressive in seeking humans is now in Long Island.

So, issue everyone flea collars to wear on their ankles.

Problem solved!

[NYC]

13. Very clever. :)

Lebanon:

Why would the police waste public finds rousting a self-help group for homosexual women? Makes no sense!

Leb-anon. :hi:

[NoSheep]

14. lol.

:rofl: Those wacky Dutch!

[slackmaster]

8. I must have slept throuth it

:boring:

[jillan]

10. Another move by Kkkkkarl.

Funny how the terrorists are only around when elections are at stake.

The sad thing is, one day there will really be a terrorist threat, and no
one will believe it.

[jayfish]

16. Yup, You Can Really Tell He Has Been Removed...

from his policy role and placed back into his political one. Wall-to-wall terra.

Jay

[porphyrian]

15. Never heard it.

I'm not in NYC and I don't waste time watching or listening to corporate whore news.

[MuseRider]

17. Another terror alert?

Musta missed it. *Yawn* Guess I should start filling up the jugs with water and make sure the mice have not gotten to all the stored dried milk. :eyes:

I'll go look around, I am sure there must be a thread here somewhere that will let me know who I am supposed to be afraid of this time. *sigh*

[Faux pas]

19. Smoke and mirrors, nothing more. I'm always amazed at how

stupid the people who believe this BS are, and how stupid booshco must think we are. Sheesh.....

[Breeze54]

22. The FBI bldg in OK blew up, didn't it? It does happen in the US!

http://www.tollroadsnews.com/cgi-bin/a.cgi/DhImRkAREdqcEIJ61nsxIA

Tunnels vulnerability

All six tubes under the Baltimore Harbor are of immersed tube construction - prefabricated tubes are constructed onshore, floated into position above a dredged trench in the seabed and lowered in, where divers connect them to other tube segments, after which they are pumped dry. Fill holds them in position. As opposed to driven or mined tunnels immersed tube tunnels are closer to the surface of the seabed. They are usually covered by only a layer of rocks. This means they may be somewhat more vulnerable to being breached by a bomb and flooded than deeper driven tunnels, though a very large truck bomb would probably be needed.

Bombs of course are a major threat to a tunnel even without breaching it since apart from the damage to transiting vehicles and their occupants they can destroy air handling systems, lighting, and other fittings and cause fires. Fires involving vehicles in a confined space like a tunnel have proven devastating in the European Alps.

There have been threats to the NY-NJ Lincoln and Holland Tunnels in the form of surveillance by terrorist agents, and appearance on captured target lists. In terms of sheer spectacle an attack on a major bridge would seem better news value for terrorists.

A recent captured letter from Osama bin Laden's #2 Ayman al-Zawahiri to the Al Qaeda leader in Iraq Abu Musab al-Zarqawi said: "we are in a battle, and more than half the battle is taking place in the battlefield of the media."

The Harbor tunnels consisting of six separate tubes have a great deal of redundancy, which again makes an attack completely shutting them down quite difficult to mount. TOLLROADSnews 2005-10-18

LATER: Majed Hussein of Egyptian origin who lived in White Marsh a northern suburb was Baltimore was arrested at a middle eastern market in Baltimore where he worked at 1pm. That was one of six reported police raids in the Baltimore area to pick up people associated with the terrorist threat. No information yet on others arrested or charges. One TV station reports there was a plot to drive a truck laden with explosives from the market into one of the Baltimore Harbor tunnels. No official comment on that.

:shrug:

[LSK]

23. theres a terra alert?

I didnt hear the sirens.

:shrug:

[Hubert Flottz]

29. I ain't scared because I've got something better than duct tape!

Duck and cover beats sheltering in place any day of the week!



Even a Russian atom bomb couldn't hurt you once you hit the floor under this baby! I Ain't Scared of No Stinkin' Mushroom Clouds!

BTW, I got this little hunk of heaven for four bucks at the yard sale! A small price to pay for total peace of mind!

[Jara sang]

31. Homeland Security still has it at

What the hell? I have seen no mention of this anywhere.

http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/

[Breeze54]

33. Here-->

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/am-terror0707,0,793429.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines

Feds foil plot to blow up PATH tunnels
BY TOM BRUNE AND J. JIONI PALMER
Newsday Washington Bureau

July 7, 2006, 3:09 PM EDT

WASHINGTON --

Eight conspirators in six foreign countries discussed plans to send suicide bombers this fall to blow up PATH tunnels under the Hudson River between New York City and New Jersey, authorities said Friday about a plot they disrupted.

The plot's self-described mastermind and al Qaida member, 31-year-old Lebanese native Assem Hammoud, and two others principles in the plot have been arrested by foreign authorities, said Mark Mershon, chief of New York City's FBI field office.

snip-->

Authorities decided to take the plot down now, a year after the investigation began because it appeared the suspects were "about to move forward" in October or November, said Mershon, who called it "the real deal."

"We believe we intercepted this group early in their plotting and, in fact, the plan has largely been disrupted," Mershon said. "This is a plot that involved martyrdom and explosives andcertain of the tubes that connect Jersey and lower Manhattan." He said later it was the PATH tunnels that were specifically targeted.

Mershon and other authorities declined to discuss reports that the plot was discovered and monitored by the FBI on public chat rooms where terrorists post messages, saying they needed to protect their sources and methods. <--snip

[AlCzervik]

34. my sister is in Manhattan with my nieces, i just talked to and i asked

"Did you hear the news" she says "What news" so i tell her and she says she hasn't heard squat about it all day long.

[Avalux]

37. They've certainly hyped it enough - sick of hearing about it.

I mean really - how long can you talk about a plot that was in the talking stages, that probably wouldn't have worked anyway. Beating a dead horse, over and over and over and over.......

[ladjf]

45. FBI had better start buying Jihad boots and TV cameras by the

gross to outfit all of the other terror cells that they are developing prior to the November election.