Danieljay
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Sun Jul-16-06 12:57 PM
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Minimum wage as a campaign issue? How many min. wage earners vote? |
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All the elections I've voted, rarely have I seen 'minimum wage' earners at the polls. Minimum wage SHOULD be dramatically increased, that being said I think Dems are again short sighted in whether or not this is actually a campaign issue.
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Sun Jul-16-06 12:58 PM
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1. Perhaps a more pertinent question. |
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How many minimum wage earners WOULD vote if it were a campaign issue?
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Sun Jul-16-06 12:59 PM
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2. If we gave them a stake in the process |
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like RAISING THE DAMN WAGE, they'd have a reason to vote.
Right now they know it's a rich man's game and it's rigged in favor of the rich, so why bother?
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Sun Jul-16-06 01:00 PM
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3. never a better time to get American's to vote.. telll the poor |
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they'll get more money, drive a bus through the neighborhood on voting day and drive them to their. Remember that stupid movie with Chris Rock in it.. bus driver turned president... Let's get America involved in America and maybe things would change for everyone.
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Sun Jul-16-06 01:01 PM
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4. There is an entire class of people who have given up hope of change |
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Honestly, if you wrote your representative and they wrote back thanking you for changing their mind, would you faint? I would.
To think that voting will change things seems almost comical in light of the efforts most people put into swaying their legislator's opinions.
I could change John Cronyn or Kay Bailey Hutchinson's opinion if I had a private jet and lots of money. Otherwise I will be ignored.
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Sun Jul-16-06 01:03 PM
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5. Are you suggesting we can only vote on an issue if... |
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it directly affects us personally?
I am not a minimum wage earner, but this is an issue that I would still fight for.
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Sun Jul-16-06 01:05 PM
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6. Oh? And how do you generally identify minimum wage earners at your |
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polling place? You apparently have some kind of system, or personal radar, to be able to say so definitively that they are rarely there.
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Sun Jul-16-06 01:08 PM
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8. kind or like "gay-dar" |
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only "poor-dar" They're the ones that smell like sour milk and are wearing an "I'm with stupid" T-shirt. :sarcasm:
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Sun Jul-16-06 01:11 PM
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10. FYI: The poor are less likely to vote |
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that's what the data shows. Between having to work more hours because they get paid less, not having a car, and many other reasons the poor vote in smaller numbers than the middle and upper classes.
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Sun Jul-16-06 01:27 PM
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11. Why, thank you, jseankil. But it's the personal eyewitness account of the |
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OP that intrigues me. So much more You Are There, you know?
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Danieljay
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Mon Jul-17-06 10:19 AM
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21. yes, and i'm sticking to it. Refer to post #20. |
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Minimum wage earners are less likely to vote, plain and simple. Besides, If they voted the Republicans wouldn't be office, even with voter fraud and rigged voting machines.
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Sun Jul-16-06 02:02 PM
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There was no one there in McDonalds, Krystals or Burger King uniforms voting. No one in 7-11, Circle K or Mr. Zip uniforms either! You know poor people don't have regular street clothes to change into....
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Danieljay
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Sun Jul-16-06 07:20 PM
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20. well, years ago I used to work lower wage jobs, and 90% of those I worked |
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with never voted. They would often say 'it aint gonna make a difference anyway, so why vote?'. If the Dems got a vote for all the times out on the shop floor I heard that statement we'd control government.
When I worked the poll sites in the midwest, the average voter I saw came in was white, middle class and up. Republicans don't seem to care and they keep winning, so what gives?
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Danieljay
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Mon Jul-17-06 10:26 AM
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22. lighten up Francis, despite what you want to believe... |
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Edited on Mon Jul-17-06 10:29 AM by Danieljay
there is a little truth within my OPINION. The poor are less likely to vote, plain and simple. We all know that.
I worked at the polls for a couple of large elections smack dab in the middle of a poverty stricken area. Who showed up to vote? Little old ladies and white middle class folks from the peripheries.
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Sun Jul-16-06 01:08 PM
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7. Many voters are former minimum wage earners.... |
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who haven't forgotten what it's like being on the low end of the income pole. And many Democrats are smart enough and principled enough to think it's an important issue even if it doesn't directly effect them. That's what makes us different than Republicans.
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Sun Jul-16-06 01:09 PM
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9. Yes, but it has to be properly framed |
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I haven't made minimum wage for many years, and I hope never to do that again. But it is in my interest to have the minimum wage raised. If more money goes to the working poor, that improves the economy a hell of a lot more than if the same amount of money goes to the top 1%. (I am obviously a Keynesian!) And it's not just the people at the bottom tier that get a lift. A raise in the minimum wage forces employers to raise the wages of people making more than that, as well.
Aside from the fact that it's the right thing to do, many people directly benefit from raising the minimum wage. And many more indirectly benefit through increased economic output and reduced social spending.
That said, I'd be willing to consider the argument that vastly increasing the Earned Income Tax Credit, including expanding it to non-parents, could be an alternative way of achieving the same result. But we'd have to be talking about the same net amount of money, and we'd probably have to be talking about raising taxes on corporations to pay for it.
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Mon Jul-17-06 10:28 AM
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23. good point..... thanks for a non reactionary well thought out reply! n/t |
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Sun Jul-16-06 01:31 PM
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12. It's shameful that minimum wage should even be a campaign issue |
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It should be a common sense issue. You can't keep wages stagnant for over a decade while prices continue to rise.
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Sun Jul-16-06 01:39 PM
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13. Yes! Right! Amen! and whatever. n/t |
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Sun Jul-16-06 01:42 PM
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14. How many voters used to earn minimum wage? |
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I would think many. I know I am one.
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Sun Jul-16-06 01:50 PM
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15. because people like you and me and everyone here and others elsewhere |
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Edited on Sun Jul-16-06 01:51 PM by jsamuel
also want the minimum wage increased, even if it won't directly benefit them
also, if "poor people don't vote" normally, then maybe they will if the can decide to raise the minimum wage by doing so
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Sun Jul-16-06 02:15 PM
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17. Raising minimum wage is simply the right thing to do |
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and that's why it should be a campaign issue. Representatives should look out for their constituent's interests, and most representatives have plenty of minimum wage earners (and many people whose wages are tied to the minimum wage) as constituents, whether such workers vote or not.
Not to mention that it could show that Democrats really do have the high moral ground while the Rethugs waste everyone's time on stupid, wedge-issue shit.
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Sun Jul-16-06 02:17 PM
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18. Actually I am working on a voter registration drive that targets |
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non-voters, like minimum wage earners. It is a long overdue task.
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Sun Jul-16-06 02:22 PM
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19. A lot. And many of them are deliberately left standing at the polls |
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That's why they make sure there aren't enough voting machines in blue collar precincts.
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