A brief history of Israel....

[Phrogman]

From Daily Kos http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/7/16/165555/760

Its just 6 months in the life of Israel. I think it is important to remember that after Israel killed a family on a beach in Gaza their first reaction was to deny it. Then they tried to pin it on Hamas. After the shrapnel evidence revealed that they were indeed behind it, they reluctantly admitted guilt. I believe that fits the pattern of how they operate and speaks to their character.

Feb 1, 2006 Israel halts tax payments to Palestinians
Feb 3, 2006 Confirmed: Israelis kill 15-year-old inside Lebanon
Feb 5, 2006 Israel tab for West Bank settlements $14B
Feb 14, 2006 U.S., Israel Consider Plan to Starve Hamas
Feb 17, 2006 Chertoff's Sweetheart Deal For Israeli-Owned Carnival Cruise Cruise Line
Feb 26, 2006 Two killed, including a child, in Israeli re-invasion of Balata Refugee Camp
Feb 26, 2006 Destruction of Voice of Palestine’s building. Reporters without Borders indignant at that new act of war against Palestinian media
Feb 26, 2006 Israeli company stops petroleum supplies to Palestinian lands
Mar 2, 2006 Israel gives military free rein
Mar 2, 2006 Israeli Defense Minister: Israel will take 20% of remaining Palestinian land
Mar 3, 2006 Syria flays Israel for 'nuclear dumping'
Mar 3, 2006 Unrest after Israeli church attack
Mar 3, 2006 Israel threatens to assassinate the future Palestinian Authority prime minister
Mar 11, 2006 Israel deploys nuclear arms in submarines
Mar 11, 2006 Documents reveal Labor-Likud plans for West Bank
Mar 13, 2006 Israeli Soldiers Assault Family with Special Needs
Mar 13, 2006 Israeli Government Threatens to Eliminate Haniya
Mar 14, 2006 Israeli Police Assaults Venezuelan's Ambassador at Al-Aqsa Mosque
Mar 18, 2006 Bread shortages loom in Gaza
Mar 18, 2006 AP Erases Video of Israeli Soldier Shooting Palestinian Boy
Mar 20, 2006 Britain condemns Israel over fatal shooting of a child
Mar 20, 2006 Food runs low in Gaza after Israel closes key crossing
Mar 22, 2006 "Israeli Human Rights: Starving the Palestinians"
Mar 27, 2006 Israel's anti-Arab parties
Apr 3, 2006 Israeli Wall in the West Bank: Post-Occupation Strategy to Deny Sovereignty to the Palestinian State
Apr 3, 2006 UN aid workers: Gaza on verge of disaster
Apr 4, 2006 Israel Fires Missiles into Abbas' Compound
Apr 10, 2006 Israel to boycott inquest into death of British peace activist shot in Gaza
Apr 10, 2006 Israel to boycott diplomats who meet Hamas officials
Apr 11, 2006 Israeli military stands by its policy on shelling populated areas
Apr 11, 2006 Israel rejects Hamas long-term truce: official
Apr 14, 2006 U.S. blocks UN draft pressing Israel to end attacks

Much, much more......

[Ian David]

1. Oh, I see....

It's all Israel's fault?

[ThomCat]

8. It's hard to argue with facts.

Israel and all the various Arab nations/factions shares the blame, but Israel has the lion's share at this point. In the first years it was different, but Israel has proudly met the challenge and become more vicious and violent than anything the middle east has ever seen.

[adriennui]

18. of course it's all israel's fault.

tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes, plagues, floods, locusts, wars, famine,....everything.

every other member of the human race is beyond reproach....little lambs.

[Swede]

38. I think he missed a couple of pizzarias getting the fuck blown up.

And 30 or 40 buses. But they were only Jews.

[Mass]

2. Care to speak about the other side?\nt

[Jacobin]

4. just turn on your tv

That's the only side I ever hear.

[Mass]

5. And DU only speaks about this side. We are not better than CNN or FOX.

There are human beings, good and bad, on both sides.

[ThomCat]

11. I don't know what you've been reading,

but both sides get defended very vocally here at DU.

[Phrogman]

15. Thats very true ... eom

[cantstandbush]

39. BINGO!!! nt

[ThomCat]

9. We're innundated by the other side.

A whole lot of Israeli appologists never cease telling us that Israel is an innocent nation that only wants to defend itself.

[melnjones]

10. Compile a list...I'd like to read it. eom

[Phrogman]

13. I would like to read it also.

[cali]

23. I'm too hot

to compile you a list now, but perhaps you'd like to see something else the person who posted the original piece over at dkos wrote over there:

Being an Anti-Semite (0+ / 0-)
is not the worse thing in the world.

www.tasinifornewyork.org

by naufragus on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 01:57:17 PM PDT

< Parent | Reply to This >


In other words, the guy is a self avowed bigot. Perhaps such thinking skews his take on the matter? Nah, who cares if he's a bigot, he's still right!

Actually, not. His list is pretty well parsed over at dkos.

[Balbus]

27. Unfortuantely, I'd think he'd have a lot of support over here.

[melnjones]

35. This poster supports Tasini...

who is a Jew. Not so sure he is anti-semitic himself...

[ThomCat]

37. Your idea of an anti-semite is anyone who doesn't

have knee-jerk support for anything Israel does, so please don't mind me if I'm sceptical. You're just not a very good source. If we all listened to you a large portion of the world's Jews are anti-semites.

[cali]

41. Wrong yet again.

You seem to be remarkably good at that. Find one post, even one where I give "knee jerk support" to Israel. You won't be able to because I have repeatedly criticized Israel. In fact, I agree that the actions Israel took in Gaza are collective punishment and a war crime. I've said that the response in Lebanon is wildly disproportionate and should not have been overtaken. I could go on, but why bother? You're clearly more interested in simply making stuff up.

[cali]

24. self-delete

[Jacobin]

3. I'm interested in another time period that we don't hear much about

The period from about 900 A.D. to 1948.

Did the Jews and Palestinians who were there live in relative harmony?

When the U.N. gave this land to the European Jews for a country, how did that go over with the indigenous people?

:running away:

[treestar]

34. They did get along relatively well

the Zionist movement started back in the 19th century. Jews migrated to the area and bought land and settled. There was conflict but not like we have now.

It does seem possible that forcing the question in 1948, creating an official "Jewish state" really upset what could have happened naturally through migration with far less violence.

In fact some Jews who were already in the area before 1948 opposed it, if I remember some stuff I read right.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. They Lived Like Brothers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riots_in_Palestine_of_1920



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Palestine_riots




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Uprising

[ThomCat]

6. And yet,

so many people here insist that Israel is a blameless nation that is only seeking to defend itself from those evil, heartless, uncontrolably violent Arabs. Nothing Israel had done could possibly be seen as terrorism.
:eyes:

Israel is a terrorist nation. They are out to destroy the Palestinians in any way they can if they think they can get away with it.

[Mass]

7. And the Palestinians are out to destroy Israel. Good coupling.

(I am just using as broad a brush as you do).

[ThomCat]

12. The difference

is that Isreal has the policies, the army and the backing to implement their broad brush plans. As that list demonstrates.

The Palestinians don't even have the power to feed themselves.

[Dark]

43. The reason they can't feed themselves probably comes from

Arafat's hoarding of aid money, and their obsession of blowing anything up with jews in it.

[porphyrian]

16. Not to be confused with the Israeli people...

...who are more or less captives of their government like we are and not very well represented by its actions. They just have a much greater chance of being on a bus with someone who explodes.

[ThomCat]

22. I do think that the Israeli people are more innocent than

the Israeli govenment. As we've seen here in this country, and repeatedly througout history, governments have minds of their own that often do not represent the will or best interest of their people.

[porphyrian]

25. The Israelis I met were certainly good people.

They implied most people were like them - not very religious in their every day life, get along with neighbors, think both suicide bombings and the way the Palestinians are treated are horrible, just trying to make a life for themselves. I've assumed this is the case ever since.

[Bluerthanblue]

32. I think you speak truth- and something we should all

keep in mind-

Given what the US has done, "in our names" and what I know to be the desire of many many citizens- there is a vast disconnect between what a government says and does, and what the people believe and desire-

I cannot pin my frustration for what is being done by Israel- on the people of the country- They are as helpless as we are- I believe-

peace,
blu

[AlamoDemoc]

26. We are at the mercy of our one-sided media......

...our media has trained us to see the Arabs as no good terrorists who hate our freedoms. On every level on television from news to television to popular programming, we see the Arabs as terrorists and vile folks who hate our freedoms. Our media are trained to use certain words as "Israel entered Lebanon"...instead of "Isreal envaded Lebanon"...."Israel targeted Hizballah", istead of Israel bombed Lebanon. Our media is not giving us the truth about our support of Israel, and the basis of the conflict and its entirety. No mention of the thousands prisoners held in Israeli prisons kidnapped by the Israeli Mossad from the Lebanese territories, and no mention of many other Palestinian prisons in the Israeli jails, including Palestinian ministers.


Here is start of where to find a day-to-day report of what is happening in Lebanon;

www.electroniclebanon.net

[Meshuga]

28. It's not that simple

I don't think Israel is a blameless nation but I don't think it is fair to say that Israel is out to destroy Palestinians. I am not trying to take away Israel's share of the blame for civilians being killed because they have part of the blame but we can't forget that Hezbollah keeps and launches missiles from residential areas with the intention to use the locals as a human shield.

Hezbollah - backed by Iran (whose leader explicitly promotes wiping Israel off the map) - is an organization dedicated to the destruction of Israel. They control the southern part of Lebanon where they have 12 thousand missiles pointing toward Israel, being that hundreds were already launched in the last few days.

It is fair to get angry at Israel for going into the offensive but to say they are out to destroy the Palestinians is ridiculous.

[ThomCat]

36. It's not rediculous

if you look at all of the simultaneous efforts Israel makes against the Palestinians. I've listed a bunch of them repeatedly.

The wall that they are using to steele the best farms

Hoarding access to water supplies, and then passing laws prohibiting Palestinians from digging deep wells. Jews are allowed to dig deep wells, and as competition for water increases the water table is dropping, leaving many of the more shallow wells dry.

Their 20:1 kill ration. That by itself should be shouted from the rooftops as a warcrime. For every 1 Israeli killed they're going to send missiles that kill at least 20 random Palestinians. That isn't defense. That is responding to terrorism with even bigger, more brutal terrorism. And when the outraged families of the inocent dead try to retaliate 20 more people are killed at random, and 20 more.

And then there are the random pot-shots that Israel takes, like a family on a beach in Gaza who died in a missile attack that Israel at first tried to deny.

And there are the homes they bulldoze, and raids on refugee camps that are clearly intended simply to intimodate.

And their efforts to starve the Palestinians of any economic means of support with their roadblocks and long queues to go anywhere.

And on and on and on.

The idea that Israel IS NOT out to destroy the Palestinians is rediculous.

[shance]

33. I disagree. The Israeli's are not wanting war like their leadership does.

The Israelis are largely being incarcerated like we are.

Yet I realize that doesn't mean both Americans and Israelis aren't responsible to stop their governments because we are VERY RESPONSIBLE. It is up to us - both countries to stop these war-mongering racist criminals.

[xchrom]

14. thanks.

[AnOhioan]

17. While I agree this list needs to be posted..

I would also agree that a list of Hamas/Hezbollah attacks in the same time frame be posted.

Then, maybe, the DU posters who take sides could be convinced that all parties involved in the mideast conflict are in need of leaders who will actually lead...not just destroy.

[Mass]

19. Thank you.

[Minnesota Libra]

20. If I was inclined to believe all that crap I'd think Habollah, Hamas,.....

.....and the Palestinians were total victims and never did anything wrong. Of course I've got more sense than to believe a one-sided list like that without a list of all the suicide bombers, anti-Semitic comments, and other things perpetrated against Israel by Arabs/Muslims/Extremists.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

21. Many if not most of these articles are from Israeli newspapers

which you can check by going to the Daily Kos site. Like this one:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1145961234749&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

[cali]

29. Just in case you missed it

the guy who wrote this is a self-confessed anti-semite. Please see post 23 in this thread.

[k_jerome]

30. some of the things i have read recently here...

lead me to believe he is not alone.

[Sapere aude]

31. Where am I wrong here. The Palestinians prior to 1946 owned the land

now called Israel. They were moved off the land (similar to the Native Americans in this country) and have been fighting ever since to wipe Israel off the map. So in self defense Israel wants to wipe the Palestinians off the map.

Why should I take a side in this?

My sympathy would be with the Palestinians if it weren't for the attacks on Israel over the last 60 years. I don't take a side because neither side is worth defending now. They should form one country and all get along but of course that is too easy and would never happen do to the religious teaching and the hatred on both sides. A pox on both their houses.

[cantstandbush]

40. How do you send this to major networks? nt