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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 01:53 PM
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Poll question: Feingold supports Israel...
Why?

http://www.jsonline.com/watch/?watch=1&date=7/15/2006&id=8593

Platteville - U.S. Sen. Russ Feingold today defended Israel's right to protect itself amid the escalating conflict along its borders, saying, "I don't think any country is going to let their soldiers be kidnapped, transported, killed ... without a serious response."

Feingold said he would not second-guess "whether that response was exactly as it should be."

Said Feingold: "My hope would be that Israel would use as much restraint as possible .... It's in Israel's interest and the interests of peace. But I do think Israel has not only a right but also a responsibility to respond to the Hezbollah attack."

(snip)

Feingold posted a statement on his Web site Friday saying, "I stand firmly with the people of Israel and their government as they defend themselves against these outrageous attacks."

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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 01:56 PM
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1. I think the Senator explained himself in the article you've posted
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 02:07 PM
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13. Indeed. This sums it up:
"I stand firmly with the people of Israel and their government as they defend themselves against these outrageous attacks."
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 01:57 PM
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2. I don't think this poll is fair in any way to Feingold.
There is no black and white answer, and if he were given the opportunity to be involved with the decisions made reMiddle East, you would find his position is as nuanced as most other critical thinkers.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 02:03 PM
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9. Thanks for that nt
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 02:05 PM
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12. I think his position is pretty clear.
I'd rather go by what he did say rather than what we think he might say in a different position.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 02:13 PM
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18. Did say as a quick answer - when we know there are no quick answers.
Some lawmakers are quick answer types, but, he is not one of them, and I say that as someone who has no problem noting when I disagree with Russ.

I may sometimes be tough, but I am always fair.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 02:19 PM
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19. If this is his quick answer...
"I stand firmly with the people of Israel and their government as they defend themselves against these outrageous attacks."

...then it's pretty hard to see how a long one would stray far from it.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 02:24 PM
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21. In a decisionmaking process he would be more nuanced.
Of that, I am pretty much certain.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 02:55 PM
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24. If by "nuanced" you mean "less supportive of Israel,"
..then I would probably disagree.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 01:57 PM
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3. Other....
He's a Jewish American? Just guessing.
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 01:58 PM
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4. Didn't we just have a thread on this very thing a few days ago?
Is the news cycle so slow (not), that we are actually repeating threads and just making them into polls, to make them a little different?

Just cause Feingold supports Israel, doesn't make him a sell out. It just gives gim a differing view then some on this issue.
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 02:03 PM
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10. It's about something else because it really is
Feingold has, in the past, been a serious critic of Israel and its actions. But it's real easy to jump to conclusions I guess.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 02:04 PM
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11. Are you saying it's because he's a Jew?
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 02:09 PM
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15. I hate the pretense of your appearing nuanced
Just come out and say he's a jew supporting other jews.

At least have the courage to do that.

Now change your target to any other ethnic group and see how ridiculously stupid you sound.

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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 02:00 PM
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Feingold "bought and paid for??"
:rofl:

This is the most un-bought individual on Capitol Hill!!

NGU.


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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 02:02 PM
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8. I fully agree.
I answered "A."
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 02:28 PM
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22. No - that would be those who crafted the Clean Money, Clean Elections bill
in 1997 while Feingold teamed with McCain for a reform bill that did little to stem the corrupt flow of money, but succeeded greatly at undermining the public financing of campaigns debate that some Democrats WANTED to have.

Feingold likely didn't intend for that to happen, but by letting McCain spearhead and control the bill and the debate, that is what happened.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 02:50 PM
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23. I was speaking in superlative, but I'm sure there are others as...
...honest as Russ. So who, exactly, was it who crafted the Clean Money/Clean Elections bill? (Which I agree is the better alternative.)

NGU.


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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 03:05 PM
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25. Kerry crafted it and then Wellstone added and signed on to it.
Edited on Tue Jul-18-06 03:22 PM by blm
There were 3 other senators who supported it at the time.

BTW, Kerry and Wellstone resubmitted the bill in 2001 and Cantwell and Clinton actually signed on to it then. Could be Hillary was trying to inoculate herself after the RW went apeshit over pardons and "Chinese donors" ad nauseum, but it was still a pleasant turn of events. Also shows that it would be a political winner for Dems to push it again TODAY, in the post Enron, post Abramoff, post Cunniingham political climate.

Kerry did succeed in getting an amendment into McCain-Feingold calling for study of the Clean Elections bill's effect on states that adopted it.

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theanarch Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 02:00 PM
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6. it's hard to say...
...because it seems to fall somewhere between being bought and paid for, and being expedient...it can't be because he truly believes Israel is right; if that's the case, then he'd have to support Bush on Iraq, if only to be consistant in one's beliefs.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 02:07 PM
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14. That is the very
definition of a logical fallacy.
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theanarch Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 03:16 PM
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26. just asking but...
...whose logical fallicy are you referencing: Feingold's or mine?
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 02:00 PM
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7. This is why our next presidential nominee
should come from outside the senate. Wes Clark in 08.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 02:09 PM
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16. Because he really thinks Israel is right
Edited on Tue Jul-18-06 02:12 PM by jsamuel
doesn't mean he is though
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 02:13 PM
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17. I would like to see more responsibility and fairness in his words.
Israel is just not infallible.

Sorry, Sen. Feingold just dropped to the bottom of my list along with Sen. Clinton and the others who were already there.

The 100% backing of the Likud Party is intolerable. It is obvious that there are no peacemakers around anywhere.

Let it rip. Let's all die now. Or does someone see some light?

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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 02:23 PM
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20. You do know the Likud is not in power?
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 04:00 PM
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27. He believes Israel to be right.
I would venture to say that the majority of Americans agree.
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Laotra Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 04:18 PM
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28. Ask Cynthia McKinney
if AIPAC is mighty enemy.
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