Any nation that encourages Israel to do what it is doing in Lebanon

[cantstandbush]

does not deserve to be leader of the free world and is equally guilty for the deaths and destruction taking place there. I just don't understand how the Bushbots call themselves "Christians" and how they sleep at night. How do their children even respect them?

[cali]

1. You must be kidding if

you think this is the worst thing our nation, under bushco, has done. The U.S. is directly responsible for tens of thousands (at the very least) of deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention its disturbing attempts to try and oust Chavez. The mindless backing of Israel is simply par for the course.

[ashling]

14. How did you get that out of his post?

He did not say that he thought this was the worst thing our nation has ever done, but your response seems to assume that.

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[k_jerome]

31. who are these zionists of which you speak? nt.

[LiberalPartisan]

3. For once I support our policy

For once since entering the White House I can actually say I agree with their policy.


I support Israel 100%, with no reservations whatsoever.

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[atreides1]

17. I don't support Hezbollah or Hamas

And I don't support the Israelis! All sides have innocent blood on their hands, the problem is those that support Israel have been able to justify their actions.

Yet, when the US does the same thing in Iraq, some of those same people accuse American troops of using more force then needed.

I would suggest that those who support either side in this conflict, get off their collective asses and ruck up. Before too long both sides will need replacements.

[The Stranger]

23. No, claiming that those who oppose bombing innocents means supporting

hezbollah or hamas is what is sick.

Just had to get that straight right away.

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[RC]

9. Israel to its neighbors are no better than the bu$h administration

is to Iraq. The Innocent dead are still dead through no fault of their own.
Stop the killing. Stop supporting administrations that do the killing.

The blow back from what is happening now in the Middle East will destroy this country as a world power. And Global Warming will do the rest.

[The Stranger]

22. But no "Liberal Partisan" would ever support bombing innocents.

Maybe you need to change your user name to match your positions.

[LiberalPartisan]

27. Kind of hard to avoid when the enemy is supported by

and buried amongst the 'innocents' like a tick on a dog.

[The Stranger]

28. Gotta stop creating enemies everywhere.

[killbotfactory]

30. Hezbollah is in the south

Israel is bombing the whole damn country.

[Scurrilous]

32. Very slick ...

...Meir would be proud. :thumbsup:

[helpman]

25. Kill

Kill. Kill. Kill.

How can you support the actions of any side in this conflict?

[flyarm]

6. from the tracking i have done the USA has killed somewhere

in the neighborhood of 100,000-250,000 iraqi's

depending on who's reports you read..

before * started his military coup in Iraq , the population of iraq consisted of 50% of its people were under the age of 15

that means folks ..in our name ..the usa has killed many children.

yes the fundies who bullshit and lie along with this administration who hate abrotion are responsible for killing very many children...

but see they DO NOT GIVE A RATS ASS ..about the born children of the world..they only GIVE A RATS ASS ABOUT NOT "KILLING" WHITE FETUSES

the hypocracy and greed and sick pathetic minds of these fundies in this country , must and i ho
the fundies and supporters of * are the worst murderers, from my country, of my lifetime!

i despise these sick pathetic vermin!

fly

[Dr Batsen D Belfry]

8. Ask yourself a few questions here

1) If a militant organization lobbed rockets indiscriminantly into Texas, then ran across our border and captured a few of our reserve troops patrolling our border, and Mexico did nothing to help and in fact supported the militants, what do you think our response would be? I think our administration would be setting up a new Camp David in Acapulco, USA.

2) Would you just sit at your border and let the opposition continue to lob rockets at you, or would you move to push the launch location back so you take fewer civilian casualties? If you would just sit at your border while I hold my family in my basement bomb shelter, I don't think I would want you as my leader much longer.

3) Did the Israelis attack Lebanon, where the rockets and the militants who captured the Israeli soldiers came from, or did they instead bomb, say, Cyprus, in retaliation? They are at least cognizent of Middle Eastern geography unlike our leadership who confused Iraq with Afganistan

Just some food for thought.

DBDB

[sinogirl]

11. Arabs are dying not Caucasians

Big difference....

Food for thought as well

[Igel]

20. Arabs aren't Caucasians?

Who knew?

[RC]

12. And if the 'lobbed' rockets were in retaliation for kidnappings

& murders by Texans sneaking into Mexico?

[helpman]

26. Another scenario

Israel occupied southern Lebanon for 18 years precisely to exterminate Hezbollah; not only could they NOT accomplish that, they (the IDF) were MILITARILY defeated after 18 years of off... but mostly on-again war, and had to retreat, rather precipituously, back to Israel with their tails between their legs.

Between the withdrawal and the current invasion, Israel never stopped fucking with Lebanon... air raids, naval and heavy artillary bombings, lobbing cruise missiles into mostly of poor, Shia residential neighborhoods, targeted assassinations, etc.

To which Hezbollah responded as they always do--rockets and cross-border raids on (mostly, but not always) military posts (Israel has positioned many of its military bases/supply depots right next to predominately Arab villages in Northern Israel as a deterrent to Hezbollah rockets.). This has been the status quo...until now. Israel had to option to negotiate the release of their soldiers, as they always have done, but for reasons that belong on a separate thread, chose not to, THIS TIME.

The original excuse for Israel's campaign of state-sponsored terror against Lebanon was that Israel was "only" trying to force the Lebanese gov't. to "do something" about Hezbollah... to repeat, something the larger, better-armed and - trained IDF couldn't do in 18 years of occupation.

And how does Israel expect the Lebanese to do ANYTHING about Hezbollah when Israel's campaign of collective punishment has... crashed the national electrical grid, taken out the national communications network and water/sewer systems, destroyed the national air port and most ports, every major bridge, destroyed selected economic "targets" (pharmeceutical and milk processing plants, for example); and, last, if not least, saddled the Lebanese government with a refugee crisis of 500,000 Shia's fleeing for their lives northward towards Beruit?

I'd say the Lebanon has more immediate and important things to worry about and act on than doing Israel's dirty work vis a vis Hezbollah - things they wouldn't have to worry about or act on were it not for Israel's dispicible, disgusting and politically-motivated warmongering.

[sinogirl]

10. what's the alternate?

Israel is doing what it's doing because there isn't another alternative...

It's that simple...


And if the Dems were in power, it would be no different.

In fact the division among Arabs is the main reason Israel can dictate it's policies in the region with total disregard of world opinion.

Israel must come first...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

13. How many other nations support Israel's actions?

With the exception of the USA I haven't heard of any.

[jonnyblitz]

16. and Britain. 3 nations against the rest of the world. nt

[mr blur]

18. To our shame,

the British government also refuses to condemn Israel's actions. This makes my government and yours complicit in the targetting and murder of innocent civilians. And they don't give a fuck - nothing must be allowed to stand in the way of what Israel wants.

[malaise]

24. Really now?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/5205658.stm

Foreign Office minister Kim Howells has criticised Israel's bombardment of Lebanon, while on a visit to Beirut.

He said Israel had not carried out "surgical strikes" and attacking the Lebanese nation was not the answer.

[genie_weenie]

19. Can we ever get prespective on Israel?

How many DUers think Israel is the most awful nation ever? I almost think it's pointless to post concerning the topic.

But, I am constantly shocked at the cries that Israel or the "Zionists" is committing the worst crimes humanity has ever seen. Are DUers joking? If it felt like Mankind was moving to a point in his history were ALL war crimes were no longer tolerated I'd be cheering. For we would be entering an Era filled with hope for a new future were men live in harmony and Nation-States are no longer needed.

But, I'm certain I can name several hundred incidents in man's history far worse. Of course this does not excuse the killing of the Lebanese civilians and of course my view would be different if I were being hit by 155mm rounds but perhaps some persepctive is needed.

Is what Israel doing worse than say:

The Rape of Nanking 1937
The Bataan Death March
The Second Semniole War in N. America
The Kaytaan Massacre 1940
The Sack of Magedburg 1631
The fall of Constaniople 1453
The dropping of the Atomic Bomb on Hiroshima or Nagasaki 1945
The Genocide of the Armenians in 1915
The Elimination of the Cathars 1209-1242

Or how about the rise of Christianity over the Pagans of Europe or the spread of Islam over the Middle East, N. Africa. These "religions" didn't win over converts by philospphical arguments, they spread by Fire, Sword , Rape and Murder.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

33. Has anyone at DU said Israel is the "worst nation ever"?

or that their actions compare even remotely to what the Japanese did at Nanking or what the Germans did in WWII?

Just curious, because I haven't seen it written. Maybe I haven't read enough threads.

[MikeNY]

21. US veto'ing the ceasefire at the UN proves one thing.

Proves that this administration is still drunk on power and hungry for war. Our nation is still well under the control of neocons. I wish the GOP would stop claiming the UN is irrelevant when the US nine times out of ten is the country that is the cause of that.

[Laughing Mirror]

29. The US is no leader of the free world, although it fancies itself that

It is now completely totally corrupt and immoral and has completely lost all support in the world. It's a deranged mad empire raining terror down on weak nations either directly or by proxy.

What Israel is up to in Lebanon is genocide.

[The Magistrate]

34. Locking

Flame-Bait.