pointing a finger at americans that work in war munition plants

[donsu]

and plants that build war machinery

traitors

[Pavulon]

1. Pay your taxes, Traitor?(nt)

[donsu]

16. yes

nt

[Pavulon]

25. They by your logic

you are a traitor. (not trying to pick a fight here) Your tax dollars pay for ordinance and the men and women who deploy and fire them.

If you choose not to work for a defense firm fine.

If you do not mind me asking what type of work do(did) you do?

[donsu]

28. I did office, white collar work

I'm old. I turned down Bechtel

[Ghost in the Machine]

34. this is the 5th time I've come back to this thread.. I HAVE to ask...

who in the hell do you think you are to judge someone else as a traitor because of their job???

Since you were a self admitted "white collar office worker", does that mean that I can judge you? If it does, I would judge you as a pussy or a sissyboy. I make this judgement based on your own admissions. You also stated that you are "old"... so that means that back in the day, in your prime, you chose to do what was generally accepted as "womens work"... office work, instead of doing a "real man's" job.

As someone who has worked in commercial roofing and hanging high steel, I have to ask:

Have you ever known the feeling of working on a metal roof, 15 stories in the air, in zero degree weather with windchill factors of 10 -15 degrees below zero, for 8 to 10 hours a day?

Have you ever known the feeling of working on a metal roof deck 8 stories in the air in 100 degree heat for 10 - 12 hours a day, then climbing down at the end of the day, your body racked with pain, on the verge of heat exhaustion, and getting in your unairconditioned truck to drive an hour home? Once you get home, you have other things to take care of, take a shower, hope you're not still too tired and hot to eat dinner... since it was too hot during the day for you to eat lunch.. then get a few hours of sleep so you can do it all again tomorrow?

Have you ever known the feeling of walking across a 3 inch wide beam, 100 feet in the air.. with nothing between you and death except the 100 feet of air that is between you and the concrete floor below?


Yes indeed, Mr. Office Man, please feel free to pass your macho judgement on everyone else... :puke:

[donsu]

40. I'm a WOMAN - I've lived in the violent world of men 24/7 365

me thinks you are a misogynist

[blonndee]

2. Reminds me of a movie

Will: Why shouldn't I work for the N.S.A.? That's a tough one, but I'll give it a shot. Say I'm working at N.S.A. Somebody puts a code on my desk, something nobody else can break. So I take a shot at it and maybe I break it. And I'm real happy with myself, 'cause I did my job well. But maybe that code was the location of some rebel army in North Africa or the Middle East. Once they have that location, they bomb the village where the rebels were hiding and fifteen hundred people I never had a problem with get killed. Now the politicians are sayin', "Send in the marines to secure the area" 'cause they don't give a shit. It won't be their kid over there, gettin' shot. Just like it wasn't them when their number was called, 'cause they were pullin' a tour in the National Guard. It'll be some guy from Southie takin' shrapnel in the ass. And he comes home to find that the plant he used to work at got exported to the country he just got back from. And the guy who put the shrapnel in his ass got his old job, 'cause he'll work for fifteen cents a day and no bathroom breaks. Meanwhile my buddy from Southie realizes the only reason he was over there was so we could install a government that would sell us oil at a good price. And of course the oil companies used the skirmish to scare up oil prices so they could turn a quick buck. A cute little ancillary benefit for them but it ain't helping my buddy at two-fifty a gallon. And naturally they're takin' their sweet time bringin' the oil back, and maybe even took the liberty of hiring an alcoholic skipper who likes to drink martinis and play slalom with the icebergs, and it ain't too long 'til he hits one, spills the oil and kills all the sea life in the North Atlantic. So my buddy's out of work and he can't afford to drive, so he's got to walk to the job interviews, which sucks 'cause the shrapnel in his ass is givin' him chronic hemorrhoids. And meanwhile he's starvin' 'cause every time he tries to get a bite to eat the only blue plate special they're servin' is North Atlantic scrod with Quaker State. So what do I think? I'm holdin' out for somethin' better. Why not just shoot my buddy, take his job and give it to his sworn enemy, hike up gas prices, bomb a village, club a baby seal, hit the hash pipe and join the National Guard? I could be elected president.

[babylonsister]

3. Baloney. They don't make policy decisions, they're just the worker

bees.

[proud2BlibKansan]

5. My mom worked for 40 years for a defense contractor

and she is a lifelong Dem and abhors war. She learned a lot at her job that just reinforced her feelings about war and violence.

[babylonsister]

6. My mom-in-law worked for Raytheon for 25 years, and she's no

warmonger either.

[donsu]

9. 25 yrs. of making things that kill people, but she's not a warmonger?

nt

[bperci108]

20. Good God......

...but aren't you fucking superior? :puke:

Better check your arrogant attitude, friend. Then take the time to read the Preamble of the DOI. You might notice the words "provide for the common defense...".

Yet another of the endless reasons to elect a government that is just and honorable.

If you just want to posture and strut about what a better person you are than those who would dare work in a defense plant, then take your arrogance over to Freeperville - you'll fit right in.

[donsu]

22. we should also be blocking trains, trucks, etc. carrying these war

munitions and weapons

[NoPasaran]

35. Who is stopping you?

Mr. Holier Than Though Bigmouth?

[blogslut]

37. lol

Give it a shot. I dare ya.

[babylonsister]

27. No, 25 years of feeding her family. You got a problem with that? nt

[donsu]

8. 40 yrs. of making things that kill people, but she doesn't like violence?

nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

11. It was her J-O-B

There are things about my job that I detest, but I do have a family to support.

[Telly Savalas]

13. Don't let this guy get to you.

He's not interested in having a rational discussion, he's just trying to stir shit up and posture himself as holier-than-everybody-else.

Notice that he didn't answer the question in post #1.

[proud2BlibKansan]

15. Yeah I noticed that

He must not realize that in many areas, you either work for a military contractor or you work fast food.

[donsu]

18. I needed to raise a family but turned down a job that made war items

couldn't have lived with myself if I had taken the job

[proud2BlibKansan]

19. Well good for you

I am proud of my mom. She and my dad both put the needs of their family above all else. They put 4 kids through college without incurring any debt because they worked their asses off to make sure that happened. They also left a trust for my sister who is disabled, so she wouldn't suffer financially. Those needs were more important to them than taking a political stand. And my mom's job gave us great health insurance, which made a HUGE difference for my disabled sister.

It's called priorities. Familes come first.

[Jara sang]

45. No way. The smallest cog can affect change.

That is why the CIA would drop leaflets in Guatemala telling workers in factories to commit industrial sabotage. Things like "showing up to work late", "losing tools", "leaving lights and other appliances on to drain energy". These were tactics that the CIA wanted workers in third world countries to do as subversive actions against the government the CIA wanted out of power.

[proud2BlibKansan]

4. Daniel Ellsberg worked for the Pentagon

and without him, and his exposure of what he saw at his job, we would never have had The Pentagon Papers.

[partylessinOhio]

7. Ill gotten gains. Why aren't these jobs outsourced?

[genie_weenie]

21. Because it keeps the decision makers in power.

If I as Congressman Hastert bring a military contract to Illinois it makes the wage slaves beholden to me and forces them to vote for me to continue getting money to feed, clothe and take care of their families.

[sweetheart]

23. working in weapons makes you complicit in their crimes

and thus, loyal, for feeding the family, loyal to the teat.

[katinmn]

10. Agree. Could not work for a company that makes land mines!

http://circlevision.org/alliantaction.html


edit: It is a personal choice to live the life you seek.

[proud2BlibKansan]

12. I could if I had a family to feed

Here where I live, one of the largest and best employers in the area was the company my mom worked for.

[katinmn]

14. I understand. We live in a capitalistic society. We are wage and

health insurance slaves. We do what we have to in order to survive.

But I am honest in saying I would move before I would work for a munitions company. That's just me and I am what they call a "left-wing extremist" and growing more so with each passing day. :) I have made changes in my life to avoid as much as possible paying for war and giving to peace. I don't blame your mom! In my younger years I *might* have worked for a munitions company if it was the only job in town. I don't think so, though.:hug:

[stepnw1f]

17. It Depends on the Persons Values

I couldn't do it either, but many people make many exceptions. Sad isn't it... beholden to the dollar.

[partylessinOhio]

24. If you are making war materials - bombs, munitions, bombers, etc. -

you will have no job if those aren't sold to some country. Once sold they will be used and someone will be maimed and killed.

This just keeps feeding the war machine and the warmongers.

We can't be serious about peace if we make our living on war.

It isn't ok to keep the war "over there." Sooner or later we will have the war and destruction here. What goes around comes around.

[laura888]

26. We can't be serious about peace if we make our living on war.

Well said. There's no way to get around that fact.

[FUGW]

30. Make love, not war but be prepared for both.

[FUGW]

29. Dude if you have time to post such nonsense than you have time

to volunteer for a Democrat running for office in your area this November.

[donsu]

31. explain "nonsense"

nt

[FUGW]

32. No thanks, I have better things to do with my time.

[diamidue]

33. Eightfold Path in Buddism

Your comments remind me of the Buddhist belief in "Right Livelihood" which states that one must earn a living in a way that does not involve the suffering of people or animals, or is dishonest. I doubt there are any Buddhists working for the tobacco industry, in slaughterhouses or building bombs, weapons, etc. I am not so sure how well it plays out in the real world, but I think it is an admiral goal.

[Solo_in_MD]

36. point the finger at donsu

you are one the reasons progressives are not taken seriously

[donsu]

41. lol at such silliness

nt

[Wonk]

38. Why We Fight

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0436971/

[Javaman]

39. I hate to burst your bubble, be we are all accomplices in this crime...

If you want to point a finger, point it at the figure in the mirror, then write your congress person to grow a spine and get rid of moron*. Until then every person that is connected in most remote fashion to the manufacture of weapons is guilty. This includes but not limited to the people that supply the food to the plant, the worker at the gas station for the cars that people drive to that munitions plant, the tax payers of this country that contribute 50 cents on the tax dollar to our defense budget, and the list goes on. We the people are responsible. period.

Live in denial all you want but we didn't scream when the cold war was raging and we were building nukes by the thousands, it was the scientists that helped put a stop to that. And again the list goes on. there is strength in numbers, the outrage against Viet Nam is proof of that.

We now live in a spoon fed, blame someone else society. That is our own personal failure as a nation. I blame us, we, me.

[Ioo]

42. donsu - Highly Uncool - If you Paid a Nickel in Taxes, you are the same.

I mean it man, it is uncool to call another American a traitor, unless you know they are one. Car makers are not killers because drivers run people over...

to be honest, your comment is sick...

[donsu]

43. oh I know about taxes, if I didn't pay I'd be in jail and/or fined

nobody is talking about cars

bullets, bombs, rockets, land mines, etc. are meant to kill people.

cars were created to get people from here to there faster then a horse.

[Ioo]

44. I think your comment is just sick and very mean in spirit. Short sighted

I work for the USMC, are you telling me that I am somehow a traitor because I work for the people that are using them? Do you hate the troops too? Just checking...

A job is a job, and you are not a traitor for doing it. Like I said before, is a car maker at fault for the deaths cars cause...

bullets, bombs, rockets and all of that are used to kill people, they are also used to PROTECT people... really depends on what side you are on. I thank god my grandmother left the home in WW2 and made aircraft for the war effort. Is she a traitor to you too?