JUSTICE IRAN STYLE: SICK GIRL EXECUTED BY JUDGE SHE DEFIED

[TX-RAT]

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=17431866&method=full&siteid=62484&headline=hanged-from-a-crane-aged-16--name_page.html

[Sherman A1]

1. Sad

[station agent]

2. Could this be planted?

Does anyone know any reason to doubt this story? Could this be planted like other stroies about Iran so we don't feel so bad when we bomb them?

[malaise]

5. Bingo n/t

[wtmusic]

10. No

although stories like this about the Saudis don't make the news so often...

See Amnesty Int'l statement below

[Botany]

18. although islamic law is harsh and there has been many awful stories ....

..... But this story sounds a lot like the "babies thrown from incubators
out the windows" story about Iraqi troops.

[no_hypocrisy]

28. I think this is real. Details match their system of religious

"justice". Plus, if the religious right in this country had their way, they'd been endorsing this form of punishment on victims of childhood sexual abuse by a famiy member, who is also diagnosed as bipolar, and who (worst of all) has a "sharp tongue".

[HEyHEY]

44. Yes, as a member of the MSM I can tell you it was

In fact, I got the memo this morning in my secured email. It also showed up with my daily reminder to keep pumping up Israel in the latest conflict.
I have to go, I've said too much already.

[Generic Other]

54. So she's the MSM talking point but does that mean the story is fabricated?

It's certainly awful. The trouble is that the fundies in the US would probably argue that she deserves such a fate for promiscuity. After all these same shitheads don't want a vaccine for cervical cancer because they believe sexually active women deserve to get cancer as punishment.

[npincus]

64. so the Canadian MSM sucks as much as America's?

[Posteritatis]

65. Woosh! (n/t)

[Marie26]

67. Sarcasm? nt

[Bridget Burke]

3. Interesting Source.....

The Sunday Mirror's BIG story is the renewed love of Beckham & Posh.

And the sad tale is repeated in The American Daily--a publication of equal stature*? "By and for we the real people." We?
http://americandaily.com/article/14738

The original source appears to be the Foreign Affairs Committee of the National Council of Resistance of Iran.
www.ncr-iran.org/content/view/2027/1/

Why no outcry from international human rights groups?

* Upon reviewing The American Daily site, I'd have to say the Sunday Mirror is far superior.

[station agent]

13. This will be all over the Drudge Report

Just like the one about the jews wearing badges. I looked into the author a little bit and she's pretty young. I guess I'm suspicious of everything.

[xchrom]

16. actually the sunday mirror missed the big story --

me and beckham in torrid romance.

:evilgrin:

[blm]

4. Verify. Could also be another babies thrown out of incubator lie intended

to sway Americans to support attacking Iran.

[bigtree]

6. there doesn't seem to be any of the current news on this site

mostly tabloid. Are there any other sources?

[Marie26]

8. Amnesty Int. statement

23 August 2004

Amnesty International today expressed its outrage at the reported execution of a girl who is believed to be 16 years old, Ateqeh Rajabi, in Neka in the northern Iranian province of Mazandaran, on 15 August, for "acts incompatible with chastity" (amal-e manafe-ye ‘ofat). Ateqeh Rajabi was reportedly publicly hanged on a street in the city centre of Neka.

Amnesty International is alarmed that this execution was carried out despite reports that Ateqeh Rajabi was not believed to be mentally competent, and that she reportedly did not have access to a lawyer at any stage.

The execution of Ateqeh Rajabi is the tenth execution of a child offender in Iran recorded by Amnesty International since 1990. Amnesty International has urged Iran’s judicial authorities to halt further executions of child offenders - people who were under 18 years old at the time of the offence. This is to bring Iran’s law and practice in line with requirements of international human rights law.

http://t2web.amnesty.r3h.net/library/index/engmde130362004

[OKNancy]

12. thank you

[Bridget Burke]

14. So--this happened in August of 2004....

Why is it suddenly "news"? Why is it being pushed by Iranian "exiles"?

At least, we can be glad that a Supreme Court decision in 2005 removed the US from Amnesty International's list of countries executing juveniles. (The girl's age was AI's main objection to the event.)
www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/juveniles/

Of course, AI generally opposes ALL capital punishment. We're still on THAT list.
www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/index.do

[Marie26]

20. What does this have to do

w/the US? There's some problems in the US justice system, but we're not executing women for premarital sex yet. This is an old story - maybe this tabloid reprinted it for political reasons, or maybe for the "shock value." But it is a true story.

[Bridget Burke]

32. An Iranian exile group made this sad story "news".....

And it was taken up by 2 brain-dead tabloids.

www.ncr-iran.org/content/view/2027/1/

Yes, it's a true story. But its reappearance now is propaganda in favor of attacking Iran. Equally atrocious events take place in our good allies, Saudi Arabia & Pakistan.

[radwriter0555]

34. "iranian exiles" meaning despots who want to overthrow the Iranian Govt.

If you know how these things work......

[Marie26]

39. Probably

That group has been tracking every Iranian atrocity on their web-site. Human rights concern, or regime change concern? Probably the latter. It's been pretty continuous on their part. I just have trouble getting too upset about the publication of a story like this, if it's true. Any focus on human rights abuses can help. This isn't very different from similar stories in other Mideast countries; everyone knows that Iran is a theocracy w/brutal punishments. I really doubt it will inspire some sort of wave of support for an Iranian invasion.

[theHandpuppet]

23. Because they don't want you to know what's happening to women & girls

...among such American allies as Jordan, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia?

[Generic Other]

58. Ah, so possibly a true story recycled now to promote hostility

toward Iran, to convince us that the people hate the religious leaders, and that we should drop everything and go bomb them right away. Okay that makes sense.

[muriel_volestrangler]

63. Because there's a BBC documentary on Thursday

The Sunday Mirror was pushing it a bit to label this "exclusive". I read about it in the "This Week's TV" section of another newspaper.

If it's any consolation, the Mirror isn't a conduit for the government line - it was consistently against the invasion of Iraq.

[Warpy]

7. All religions consider sex a crime

Even Buddhism has some sex phobic traditions, although it falls short of criminalizing sex in a codified legal system the way the three monotheistic religions have done.

The worst crime of all is for women, of course. Not only do they bear the visible evidence and eventually the baby, but there is something religious people find particularly icky about any woman who enjoys sex.

[WePurrsevere]

25. Not "all". Most Wiccans/Pagans I know most assuredly do not. :-)

The true "crime" imo is in taking something wonderful and fun and making it into something "dirty".

[Warpy]

41. Point taken

Also Tantric Yoga fails to criminalize sex, although it does get rather ritualistic about the whole thing.

[OKNancy]

9. Although the source is suspect, the irrational theocracy in Iran

does this kind of stuff. There are too many verified sources out there. I don't know why it is hard to believe. An enemy of BushCo is not necessarily our friend. Anytime religion is involved in government things like this happen. Also as a feminist, it pains me when DUers make excuses for theocratic Iran.
Additionally, just because Iran is run by a bunch of idiots doesn't mean those of us who abhor what they do are Bush supporters or want war.

[wtmusic]

15. Thank you nt

[TX-RAT]

17. Well said, Thank You

[blm]

22. We know it happens - my concern is when stories are spread based on timing

I am one of those who wanted the Taliban dealt with back in 1996 for their criminal behavior towards women in Afghanistan.

It was amazing to me that most people had no clue, and then after 9-11, the corpmedia used the stories to give Bush heroic status for his bombing of Afghanistan.

He didn't care one whit about the women there - his Texas oil buddies were schmoozing these women killers in 97 and 98 when their tactics against women were already known.

[spanone]

26. We are also run by an irrational theocracy.

[WePurrsevere]

27. Very well said, I agree. n/t

[Marie26]

29. Right

This shouldn't be a surprise, really. My pet peeve is when some story comes out about Iranian oppression of women & people are like "it must be a plant", or propaganda, or fake. No, Iran really does oppress women & it really is a brutal theocratic state. Reality.

[Scurrilous]

11. Good to see the western press...

...finally get outraged over the death of Muslim children. :thumbsup:

[The Stranger]

19. So should we bomb Iran?

[alcibiades_mystery]

21. OH MY GOD!!!!

Iran is a brutal theocracy that oppresses women? Who fucking knew? I cannot believe it! I was just now planning a wonderful summer vacation in Tehran, to tour the bazaar and later check out some strip shows. I thought I heard that have a great drag queen place in Qom as well! I told wifey to bring the bikini, but she might not need the top, if you know what I mean! But now I'll have to rethink all that. Apparently, Iran is a fundamentalist Islamic country that has severe issues with the treatment of women! OH MY GOD! I can't believe it!

:rofl:

[TX-RAT]

24. Not just Women

From the link.

CRUELTY OF SHARIA LAW


PENALTIES imposed by Iran's religious mullahs include:


THEF T: Amputation of hands or feet for persistent offenders.


ADULTERY: Death by stoning.


UNMARRIED SEX: 100 lashes.


CONVERSION TO RELIGION OTHER THAN ISLAM: Death.


SODOMY: Death for adults, 74 lashes for consenting child.


LESBIANISM: 100 lashes, or on the fourth occasion death.


HOMOSEXUAL KISS: 60 lashes.


RUBBING ANOTHER MAN'S THIGHS OR BUTTOCKS: 99 lashes - on 4th occasion, death.

[alcibiades_mystery]

30. OH MY GOOOOOOD!!!!

Not just women!!!! Holy Shiite!!!!!!

Immediate bombing! Immediate bombing! Go go go go go!!!!

[TX-RAT]

40. You think i'm suggesting we bomb Iran?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

45. Of course not.

Other people are in charge of saying THAT.

[MamaBear]

31. Unfortunately, this happens in Iran.

They started hanging people from construction cranes just after the Revolution. It has become a favorite form of public execution. To a point they had used firing squads, after which the families of the executed were billed for the ammunition used in the killings. I know the Baha'is documented this, so Amnesty must have it as well.

They have, according to some reports I've read, executed many gay teenage boys by hanging them in public from construction cranes, after repeated lashings and other torture.

It is very difficult to deal with a theocracy in these matters. We should take the hint.

[Strelnikov_]

33. Yes, The IRANIAN People Need To Address Human Rights Issues

in their country.

Just as the SAUDI people need to address human rights issues in their country.

Just as the PAKISTANI people need to address human rights issues in their country, in particular the tribal areas.

And we, the US, need to provide whatever NON-MILITARY outside support we can to facilitate the rise of moderate leadership in these countries.

On Edit:

To quote Wes Clark:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2740587

Huddy did her dirty work again, interrupting Clark, "Can we talk to people like Syria and Iran? How?"
"Yes you can," insisted Clark. "And here’s the thing. You cannot occupy those countries, you cannot simply declare World War III unless you want to raise an army of 12 million men and march into the Middle East and occupy it, and we’ve already seen the example of Iraq. This is very, very difficult. So this is not like World War II with Germany and Japan. This is entirely different. We should use the military sparingly, as a last resort."

Again Huddy, who rarely challenges a conservative guest, asked Clark how the U.S. could "have diplomacy ... with countries like Syria and Iran. ... These are countries that have been on the record saying let's destroy the United States."

"If you agree with people, the diplomacy is different. When you don’t agree with people, it’s even more important to talk, to box them in, to understand what they want, to help them see the world differently. Keep the force in reserve,. Otherwise, you’re just going to end up raising a 10-million man army to invade the Middle East and that’s something we don’t want the United States to do and I don’t think your viewers want all their children to spend the rest of their lives in uniform."

[radwriter0555]

35. Okay, then let everyone in GITMO free and stop executing your prisoners

FIRST.

Then the playing field will be slighly more even.

[Strelnikov_]

37. What, Praytell, Are You Talking About? n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

42. Human rights violations by the United States.

Throwing stones in glass houses, that sort of thing.

[Strelnikov_]

62. If You Are Saying We Should Get Our Own House In Order

before deploying our JDAMS's Of Freedom^TM (with the new and improved Human Rights Blaster^TM) to right all the wrongs in the world, I fully agree.


That is why I said:

The IRANIAN People Need To Address Human Rights Issues in THEIR country.

Just as the SAUDI people need to address human rights issues in THEIR country.

Just as the PAKISTANI people need to address human rights issues in THEIR country, in particular the tribal areas.

And we should provide whatever Non-Military help to the reformers that we can.

[Marie26]

48. Agreed

Thanks for the Wesley Clark. It's always nice to hear his rational, calm perspective on things. He must be infuriated that we're refusing to talk to Syria about this recent conflict.

[hedgehog]

36. This is a reason to keep hands off in Iran

The Iranian people will turn against the mullahs themselves if we leave them alone. If we interfere, they will rush to support the mullahs.

[MadHound]

38. Don't get me wrong, I find this to a tragedy that this happened

However I find the timing of this article, released two years after the fact, awfully damned suspicious.

Can you say propaganda? I knew you could.

When stories like this, demonizing a country, are released, you can generally be certain that a war is going to follow fairly shortly. Anybody remember the "incubator babies" that were passed around right before the Iraq invasion? Same principle at work here.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

BEE EYE ANN GEE OH! -nt

[Solo_in_MD]

43. No other way to say this...the Sharia is barbaric and should be banned

in civilized countries.

[Imajika]

46. Yup..

I will be happy when the practice of recognizing Shari'ah law as official government law is banished from the face of the earth. I've seen what happens in South East Asia when Islamists take over a town and make Shari'ah official law - and I don't mean just pay lip service to it, I mean really put it enforce. The first thing that goes is any rights women once may have had - and things just go down hill from there.

[asthmaticeog]

47. It *could* be planted, but I doubt it.

The Iranian justice system isn't exactly full of warm fuzzies. Just because they're the Bush Administration's political enemies doesn't make them our friends.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

49. Links posted from places other than worthless UK tabloids suggest it's not

Rather, it's a "whip up the base" kind of propaganda -- "refresh" the memory of real atrocities.

The motivating factor of such articles is far from humanitarian. That's what makes it so infuriating.

[uppityperson]

55. "those people are animals and we need to invade to help them"?

my take on it too. Yes, it is atrocious and should not happen. I don't want to invade/attack Iran.

[asthmaticeog]

59. Oh, I'm not doubting that the publication's motives are shite.

But "planted" to me indicates falsehood. And there's nothing in that story that contradicts what we know of the brutality of that nation's justice system.

And anyway, when I see DUers scream "PLANT!" (or its cousin "ROVE!") at every development that might be construed as impolitic for the left, it gets REALLY old. You know what I'm talking about. The mainstream media here in the US is definitely not on our side, but that doesn't make every factual story a plant. This paranoid boy-who-cried-wolf shit every ten seconds helps nobody.

On edit: I just saw elsewhere in the thread that this may be a two-year-old story, which of course lends credence to the idea that it's a plant. While it does nothing to change my opinion of all the wolf-crying that goes on around here, that does strongly suggest that in this case the published info may well be worth a jaundiced view.

[Marie26]

68. More likely,

it's publicity for the BBC documentary on this crime that's airing tomorrow.

[uppityperson]

50. 2 years ago, 2 yr old story, why published now?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

51. See #49 -nt

[Marie26]

66. Because BBC is airing

a documentary about it tomorrow.

"9pm BBC2 - Execution of a Teenage Girl. The death of 16 year old Ateqeh Rajabi, executed in Iran for “crimes against chastity”.

http://www.londonclasswar.org/tv_times.htm

[gaspee]

52. BBC2 is doing a documentary

Filmed secretly. So I highly doubt this is false.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

53. Iran doesn't execute people for premarital sex.

If they did, there'd be a lot fewer Iraqis. I'd suspect that if this girl was executed it's for a reason not cited in the story. Readers may well remember that story about Iran executing those two homosexual boys who, as it turned out, were executed for raping a young child, and not for being homosexual. Not that I'm saying any of these executions are just, but they're likely not for the reason being claimed.

And being a two year old story, it's no doubt propaganda.

[Marie26]

56. So Amnesty Int.

is lying about that? Here is an article about Iran's use of the death penalty against teenaged girls for "acts incompatible with chastity." This case is hardly unique.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/12/19/wiran19.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/12/19/ixworld.html

[megatherium]

60. The story about the two teenaged boys is in dispute.

There's reason to believe, contrary to the regime's claims, that they were executed for simple homosexual relations:


But as human rights groups looked into the initial Iranian accounts, the waters muddied. The boys, identified as Ayaz Marhoni and Mahmoud Asgari, were said to have been convicted not for homosexual conduct but for raping a 13-year-old boy. Gay journalists, writing on blogs, cited sources in Iran who said that claim was a smoke screen used by the Iranian government to deflect outrage over the execution. One account, again based on unnamed sources in Iran, suggested that a group of boys had been involved in consensual sexual activity and that the youngest of them (or members of his family) may have claimed he was coerced to avoid trouble for himself. In a country where an accusation of homosexuality is certain to bring harassment, often brings brings prison and torture, and occasionally brings death (by stoning, hanging, bisection with a sword or being dropped from a height, say gay rights groups), that scenario is plausible.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/19/AR2006071902061.html

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[Mir]

61. I believe the story is real

as Iran has a long history of this barbaric crane execution, and, moreover, a resolute contempt for female life. For example, if people are caught commiting adultry, the punishment is the ultra-primitive sentence of stoning. In Iran the victims are first buried and then stoned. Intereestingly, men - physically stronger - are buried to the waist whereas women - physically weaker - are buried to the chest. The mullahs suck - big time.

And let's also note that this mullah - aside from being a sick asshole - is also a dumbass who violated Shariah law no less than three times with this execution. First, he violated law set down by the Prohphet Muhammad, not once but twice. The Prophet forbade minors from being executed. The mullah violated Shariah law. The Prophet forbade the execution of people with mental problems. The mullah violated Shariah law again. And finally, this was an act of fornication, not of adultry. Adultry is punishable by death, fornication is expressly not - in the Qur'an no less. The mullah violated Quarnic ordinance and Shariah law a third time. This was primitive Persian misogyny. Nothing more and nothing less.

[Psephos]

69. Here's a BBC article on the death of the girl

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/5217424.stm

Conspiracy theorists take note: the reason this is back in the news is because of the premiere of the documentary.

Execution of a bipolar teenager who was raped by a 51-year-old, by a judge who felt insulted by the girl and subsequently insisted on personally putting the noose around her neck, is as low as it gets in my book.

This execution is ugly business, whether it happened this summer or two summers ago. It's also ugly to see some here avoid condemning this. I swear, I thought I was going to see a post somehow tying this to a secret repug plot. Oh wait, I did. That kind of paranoia is better left to the Scientologists. Meanwhile, if the word "progressive" means anything, then it means we should be condemning this kind of thing while waving torches and pitchforks.

"A myth is a fixed way of looking at the world which cannot be destroyed
because, looked at through the myth, all evidence supports the myth."
- Edward De Bono

Peace.