Now That Mel Gibson Is Confirmed As An Anti Semite

[ruggerson]

Will we be hearing apologies from O'Reilly and the rest of the rightwing nutbag crowd, who claimed all during the Passion of The Christ controversy that Gibson was being maligned unfairly by the "leftists"?

[rockymountaindem]

1. I thought that was just a rumor

Being Jewish, I kind of hope he didn't really say those things, so I'll wait to see if this story really pans out.

[ruggerson]

2. From the police report on his arrest last night

From the arresting officer:


"Gibson blurted out a barrage of anti semitic remarks about 'fucking jews.' Gibson yelled out that "Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world." Gibson then asked me "Are you a Jew?"

[rodeodance]

5. whow.

[k_jerome]

45. replace jew with zionist and this...

would be hailed as truth to many.

[Bluebear]

3. It's in the police report, FWIW nt

[KittyWampus]

28. Bullshit! It is NOT in the POLICE Report. It's in A report from a "source"

Once inside the car, a source directly connected with the case says Gibson began banging himself against the seat. The report says Gibson told the deputy, "You mother f****r. I'm going to f*** you." The report also says "Gibson almost continually threatened me saying he 'owns Malibu' and will spend all of his money to 'get even' with me."

The report says Gibson then launched into a barrage of anti-Semitic statements: "F*****g Jews... The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world." Gibson then asked the deputy, "Are you a Jew?"

This is NOT a police report. It was a report from an unidentified 'source'.

If someone posts the actual police report that quotes Gibson saying those things, I will believe but not til then.

I'm going to give the guy as much benefit of doubt I give Democrats when it comes to Media.

[maddezmom]

4. did you see this link?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1760797

[rockymountaindem]

13. Yeah I did

I was just sort of browsing it and I didn't realize it was from the police report. I thought it was a gossip column or something. Well, I guess that confirms any doubts we had about Mel's anti-Semitism.

[johnfunk]

48. Mel's an anti-Semite and he blames the Jews for it no doubt...

What a complete tool.

Not to mention a sloppy drunk.

[npincus]

52. have a read:

http://www.tmz.com/2006/07/28/gibsons-anti-semitic-tirade-alleged-cover-up/

[pitohui]

6. i thought he was confirmed as a drunk

keeping up can be such a burden at times

[Bjornsdotter]

7. Do ya think

..he knows that Jesus was a Jew?

What an ass....cross off another celebrity that I will not support.

Cheers

[wagthedogwar]

8. 'end times' stress induced drinking

I guess the pressure of the Parousia is getting to him

Rebbe Schneerson is a comin'!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menachem_Mendel_Schneerson

[readmoreoften]

32. His past behavior wasn't enough to cross him off?

Hmmm... He's an anti-choice fundie nutjob. He's the son of an extremist holocaust denier activist and he was never condemned his father's statements. The jews in his movie are the typical naziesque caricature. Yup, you definitely want to cross this guy off your list. Personally? He lost me at anti-choice fundie nut job.

[LostinVA]

40. Add known homophobe and misogynist, too

[ruggerson]

9. I want to see O'Reilly eat crow

covered with horse dung. Live.

[Peace Patriot]

10. Oh, come on! The man was drunk and may be an alcoholic. The report

is hearsay, and garbled at that. Who knows what was done to provoke him? Do you believe everything you read in police reports--or gossip columns? Alcholics tend to be schizy. They'll deny what they said yesterday, and say the opposite today. He may wake up in the morning loving Jews. I've seen it numerous times. He may not have known what he was saying--literally suffering disconnect between mind and mouth. His father has a problem with hating Jews, apparently. In a drunk state, a son might mimic his father. All his controls are off. One of the OTHER things he is supposed to have said is "My life fucked!" Sounds like just such a dark night of the soul, with father's views haunting the son, as the son struggles NOT to be his father. It's just not fair to say that he is "confirmed as an anti-semite" on the basis of such a report. And, quite frankly, I wouldn't come to that conclusion on the basis of one remark, even if he wasn't drunk and getting arrested.

I was moved to make this comment because of the unfairness of your subject line. I don't like Mel Gibson as an actor, and I detested "The Passion of Christ."

[ruggerson]

12. What utter garbage

I have been drunk a number of times in my life. I have never onced started screaming about blacks, jews, polish people or hindus. I would venture that most people who get drunk don't start lashing out at other people's ethnicities or religious faiths, unless there is an underlying bigotry there to begin with.

[LostinVA]

25. Before don't do stuff drunk that isn't already within them

No matter how people want to deny that to excuse themselves for things. You're right: the "controls" ARE off -- that's why people do stuff when they're drunk... but it's stuff innate to them.

His "uncatholic" Catholic beliefs are known to be antisemitic... as is the "Passion." Hell, most of it was based on the supposed-divine antisemtic ravings of a Catholic "mystic."

[SammyBlue]

15. It's alcoholism a form of idolatry?

I mean, you're worshipping a bottle. I'm a recovering alcoholic. I knew booze was more important than anything when I was drinking.

[datasuspect]

17. police reports carry tremendous weight in the legal system

it's a sworn affidavit.

[readmoreoften]

33. Exactly, it's a sworn affidavit in the police report. Not some hearsay.

It's as official as it gets, really. I mean, other than a video tape being released.

[BlueAlert]

22. In my experience

Drunks tend to be more honest about their thoughts then sober people.

Mel Gibson sober knew how much flak he'd get if he spoke anti-semantic things publicly.
Mel Gibson drunk didn't have that barrier.

[LostinVA]

26. Bingo -- what I said upthread

[MoseyWalker]

31. I agree with every word you wrote n/t

[dsc]

44. are you flipping kidding me?

I am 6 years sober. For at least 5 years prior to that I was a daily pass out type drinker. Yes, I did some things drunk I regret. No, I didn't say biggoted nonsense. Mr. Gibson didn't just randomly spout words. He said anti Semetic garbage and drunk or not he is responsible for it. Given the rest of his history it is pretty apparent what the problem is.

[Irreverend IX]

51. Isn't it a bummer when you have a few drinks...

And turn into an obscene, violent bigot? I remember one time I was having a few beers with my friends, and just as I started to get tipsy, I sprang up from my chair and goose-stepped out into the streets, screaming about how I was going to exterminate everyone who isn't straight and white. I ended up burning a black church and a synagogue and firing shots into a gay bar before the police finally subdued me. Fortunately, after I sobered up I was able to explain to everyone that I don't normally harbor any racist feelings, and that the whole incident was the result of my loosened inhibitions under the influence of alcohol. It's a well-known fact that almost every racist has consumed alcohol at least once in their lives; if you look at the statistics, it's obvious that booze is the main--nay, exclusive--cause of bigotry today.

[Kingshakabobo]

56. I wish I could recommend this post! n/t

[npincus]

53. oh, please

he's the son of a Holocaust denier and has said on record: "my father never lied to me".

Alcohol melts inhiibition, and people say the things that exist below the surface. BTW, He also made a very lewd comment to a female sargeant (called her "sugar tits"). As another poster said, I NEVER have made bigoted or mean-spirited remarks when smashed, because that's WHO I am... of course I won't go to other kinds of personal behavior....

All of the apologists for Gibson's blatant anti-Semitism need a reality check.

[Psephos]

11. There's a canyon between "confirmed" and "alleged"

and IMO you're on the wrong side of the Great Divide.

I don't care for Gibson at all but you're taking some serious liberties here, unless you think we should set aside skeptical attitudes when reading fast-breaking scandal news.

Not cool. Let the story mature.

Peace.

[ruggerson]

21. Turns out it was you on the wrong side of this divide, eh?

n/t

[KittyWampus]

30. Excuse? Have you seen the actual POLICE report and not some anonymous

Edit, if the POLICE report is made public and those slurs were said, I will believe it. But what was posted is NOT a police report. It was a report from an unidentified 'source'. And as Howard Dean says "I don't respond to anonymous sources".

[ruggerson]

36. Wrong

What was posted was the actual report, that the police then tried to whitewash, from Sherrif's Deputy James Mee.

read it here, in his own hand:

http://cdn.digitalcity.com/tmz_documents/gibson_wm_docs_072806.pdf

Gibson has already come out in the LA Times and issued an apology, saying he said unforgivable things during the arrest.

[Dorian Gray]

37. Well that doesn't matter anymore...

He came out and apologized for the despicible things that he said:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060729/ap_en_ot/people_gibson



So, he did say them. I believe he is contrite, but he needs to do more to make up for his mistake.

[KittyWampus]

38. Yes, he needs to explore why those epithets were in his vocabulary

Does he really WANT to be or sound like a hateful bigot?

[LostinVA]

42. Well, he is -- that's not anything new

[LostinVA]

41. I don't think he's contrite at all

I just think he's upset because this was leaked and is literally all over international news.... especially after all his "Only people who hate me and my beliefs are saying my move is antisemitic, because it isn't," etc.

[ruggerson]

49. Yep

the fuckwad's only concern is saving his sorry career.

[Kingshakabobo]

59. Yep. He is contrite. I'm withholding judgment on his anti-semetism...

I'm withholding judgment on his anti-semitism until I PERSONALLY SEE him put a Jew in a gas-chamber. The rest ain't nothin but a bunch of librul-book-learnin media hype.


:sarcasm:

[Psephos]

50. You missed the point

It's not who's right or wrong in the end. It's how you get there.

I stand by my point, which was not about whether Gibson did what was alleged, but that we should wait for better evidence before making a judgment. Such an attitude more widely applied would improve many lives.

Peace.

[ruggerson]

60. I based my judgement

on knowing who Harvey Levin is, how TMZ operates, and seeing the physical evidence of the police report that was available online when you expressed your skepticism. The police report, had you bothered to read it, referenced case numbers, id's, etc. The evidence at that point was pretty powerful and I did not think confirmation was needed from CNN or Fox in order for me to decide that this was a valid story.

[Psephos]

61. "had you bothered to read it"

I did bother to read it. The entire thing, and it was not a very good copy, either...looked like a jpg of a fax to me.

You sound like some of the Jason Leopold supporters here a month or two ago. Another case where the evidence seemed to line up ("referenced case numbers, id's, etc.). Sometimes these things work out, sometimes they don't. Time is always your ally when trying to sort truth from rumor.

I've heard about Gibson's dad and Jew-baiting previously, and I've also read about Gibson's alcoholism previously, too. My inclination was that in this case, Gibson probably did some or most of what the initial reports said, but there's always more to the story than the first news cycle reports. Do you believe everything comes out in the first 24 hours? Especially when there's a juicy element to the news?

I don't.

Years ago, I was arrested right off the street by local cops who thought I was someone else who'd vandalized a street lamp. They charged and booked me for public vandalism, resisting arrest, and other college-town crimes. After a while they realized they had the wrong person. Rather than let me go, they fabricated a new "crime" for me. They sent two cops rushing into my cell, one carrying pre-destroyed police property, the other with a camera. The first cop planted the "evidence" in front of me while I clung to the back wall, the other photographed it. Then, they left and wrote up a fantasy story in the official report (which had "referenced case numbers, id's, etc."). I ended up being charged with felony destruction of police property. They spent the rest of the night taunting me on the jail P.A. system about how much I would enjoy my new "boyfriends" at the state penitentiary.

That debacle cost me thousands of dollars in attorney fees, much stress and grief, and copped pleas to things I did not do, to escape the felony charges. I also ended up with a life-long distrust of official police reports.

I read all your posts in this thread. They speak for themselves about what you think constitutes constructive discussion.

"A myth is a fixed way of looking at the world which cannot be destroyed
because, looked at through the myth, all evidence supports the myth."
- Edward De Bono

Peace

[ruggerson]

62. Great, so you have a personal bias

against the police, due to your experiences.

That doesn't mean other people don't have the right to make reasoned decisions based on their analyses of evidence and events. We all come at things from our own viewpoint based on empirical life experiences. Right? And, btw, for me, your comparison with Leopold doesn't hold water. I didn't believe that one from the get go, largely based on the fact that I had read dubious stories on their site before, I didn't trust their "journalists," (largely because I differentiate between journalism and advocacy) and their story was based on unnamed sources without any proof whatsoever.

This was entirely different. I know Harvey Levin, I saw with my own eyes the police report, and that was enough to convince me that it was a valid story. My beef with you is that you claimed from the get go that this was an inconclusive story from a "scandal sheet" and, imho, it was a great deal more than that.

[Psephos]

64. Just a thought, but every human on the planet has a personal bias

This is an opinion board. In case that wasn't clear, I also prefaced my post with "IMO" which means In My Opinion.

I don't see many discussions end fruitfully on DU when a poster is playing the "Gotcha/I Told You So" game, which you were doing with some of the other posters. Ego wars are wars of vanity, and I don't think much of vanity, banal or otherwise. They increase the noise here on DU, and degrade the signal. Some days it's so bad I just leave the site rather than be exposed to all the preening and meanness.

I assume you're a progressive like me. I assume most of the others in this thread are as well. Higher standards should prevail.

My point, which you misconstrued again in this last post, is that when scandal news is breaking, we're better advised to wait for more corroboration before making judgments. How much "more" means will be different for each person, but as a general rule it's useful to maintain a modicum of skepticism. In this and in many things.

BTW, I didn't call TMZ a scandal sheet; wtf is that about? If you'd originally posted your insider info about Harvey Levin and the police report that you saw with your own eyes, I'd have given your opinion more weight. But I still would have waited for more corroboration. Gibson has a lot of jealous enemies, and even on a good day is a known lout. Plenty of people would like to take a shot at him. Not that they need to, he's doing a pretty good job of it himself.

As stated previously, I don't know or care about what Gibson said or did. I was making an entirely different point.

Peace.

[ruggerson]

68. Well, of course

you're right, everyone does have a bias, and that usually informs their opinions, or at least the process by which they form them.

I guess it wasn't you but someone else who referred to TMZ as a "scandal sheet," so my apologies, but we'll still have to agree to disagree on your larger point. And, yes, I understand that you were pointing out that stories like this, when first aired, need to have some corroboration before we posit them as more than gossip. And I agree with you, actually. But, as I've indicated above, that was not the case here. This wasn't appearing on Drudge or Newsmax, which would have given me great pause. This was appearing on an entertainment news site which has top notch investigative reporters and does not have an agenda, other than to cannily scoop the majors with celebrity news. To top it off, there was the police report, handwritten, as corroborative physical evidence.

So, I understand the point you're making about waiting for stories to play out, especially when they are sensationalized, but, imho, this story had already played out enough for me to think it was more than likely quite accurate. Which turned out to be the case.

Peace back atcha.

[idgiehkt]

39. Baloney. He gives the Stalin code answer when asked about the Holocaust.

That's a dead giveaway.

He's an anti-semite, and this is one more reason the sumbitch shouldn't drink.

[SammyBlue]

14. Hell no. . .Bill-O and most of that crowd

are bigots to begin with.

Not all conservatives are bigots, but all bigots are conservative.

[MADem]

16. Well, he is definitely confirmed as an IDIOT!!!!

Yo...MEL...MEL!!!! Put DOWN the tequila bottle, and listen to me...CHRIST WAS A JEW!!! A JEW, Mel, A JEW!!!! So if you aren't likin' our friends the Jews, you aren't likin' our friend Jeeeeeeeesus!!!!

I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, though. Some time back, I can remember Mel insisting that first, he wasn't his father (a Holocaust denier, for starters) and second, his paw was "misconstrued."

I'll have a grain or ten of salt with that!

[pitohui]

18. he knows jesus was a jew

i mean hello that whole s/m movie in aramaic or whatever it was?

he was just drunk

as a skunk!

[MADem]

19. IF this is all true, and we don't know for sure, yet if it is....

He was a drunk as a skunk anti-semite.

Alcohol tends to loosen the inhibitions, but it doesn't "turn" you into something you're not already, under the surface.

[pitohui]

20. nobody's pretty under the surface

you just do the best you can

not that i'll defend mr. gibson, i think he's a shithead frankly

[Jackson Roykirk]

24. Big deal.The "drunken celebrity "story of the week.

Wonder who it'll be next week?

[PCIntern]

23. One thing he better not do

is post at DU.

since we're not allowed to call anyone that, it would be a real dilemma...

:hippie: :party: :mad: :puke: :hangover:

[LostinVA]

27. Whatever -- you're just trying to stir things up, aren't you?

People who are anti-Israel are sick and tired of being falsely accused of being antisemitic. Gibson IS antisemitic -- this is nothing new.

[PCIntern]

29. Take it easy...

just trying to have a little fun around here.

Have another drink...RELAX!

:party: :toast: :puke:

[Disturbed]

34. An unconfirmed source made this up just to

make Mel look bad?

[Name removed]

35. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[readmoreoften]

43. What about the word homophobic? Have gays cried wolf too many times?

What a sick comment. And who are "you guys"? You "jews"? And by the way I'm gay, so don't bother.

[BrotherBuzz]

47. How can Mel be homophobic if he's gay?

It's reported Mel said to the arresting deputy, "I will fuck you". :shrug:

[LostinVA]

54. Jonny's comment isn't sick at all -- it's true

Any criticism of Israel's latest actions against Lebanon have met with cries of "antisemitic" from a certain group of DU posters. Many DUers are getting sick of it. "You guys" means "Israeli government apologists" and "cyber soldiers/astroturfers" (since it has been proven that astroturfing is happening at Progressive boards criticizing Israel).

What you answered is totally what he didn't mean. I've read too many nasty uses of "antisemitism" on DU lately. He's right.

and for the record, I'm gay, too.

[cali]

57. Jonny,

you've seen too many antisemitic remarks on DU to pretend it doesn't exist. And you've confirmed in posts to me that you've seen it. I'm sorry you're being accused falsely of antisemitism, but you know damn well it's not all crying wolf. What's more, I've seen people playing "the I'll be called an antisemite" when no such accusation is on the horizon. It works both ways.

[Jazzgirl]

46. Why does anybody care

two dead flies about this man and what he says??? It doesn't make anybody's day and certainly doesn't mean anything. He is shit and always will be. He is not even worth discussing.

JG

[LostinVA]

55. But it is worth discussing

He has some powerful, and alot of money in his hands... money he uses to try to advance his own intolerant agenda. PLus, it is always so nice to have a hypocrite unmasked.

[Codeblue]

67. Mel's Power

True, he does have a lot of power and holds a lot of weight in the world. True, Mel does have a lot of money with which he can further his racist and fundie agendas.

However, there are many more celebrities that are more popular/powerful right now who are doing great things. Brad and Angelina are the first ones who come to mind. I would say that more people, or at least more young people, are willing to listen to and look up to people like Brad and Angelina than someone like Mel.

Just my opinion on the matter.

[Kingshakabobo]

58. Yeah, who cares what this guy has to say........

Passion gross receipts:

Domestic: $370,782,930 60.6%
+ Foreign: $241,116,490 39.4%

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

= Worldwide: $611,899,420

[idgiehkt]

63. scuse me, but I want him exposed.

So when anyone goes on about The Passion I can say, 'oh yeah, made by that guy that hates the jews and thinks they start all the wars, etc'. You know, I almost melted down listening to all the fundies insist that POTC wasn't anti-semitic, when we all know Mel hates friggin everybody and their mother. So now we have proof, from the mouth of the horse's ass, and I personally am savoring it richly.

[cigsandcoffee]

65. I guess if he was going to be caught in a tirade against Jews....

...he picked the best possible time to do it.

[Drewskie]

66. Next he'll be saying what Marlon Brando said....

that the jews control hollywood. Which is probably true to a certain extent, but not exactly smart to say things like that.

[johnfunk]

69. MORE! Gobson skated TWICE BEFORE!

EXCLUSIVE: Gibson Skated Twice Before
Posted Jul 31st 2006 1:06AM by TMZ Staff
Filed under: Celebrity Justice

...

TMZ has confirmed that approximately three years ago, Gibson was driving 74 miles per hour on Pacific Coast Highway, one mile from his house, when he was pulled over by a Los Angeles County Sheriff's deputy. Sources say Gibson avoided eye contact with the deputy during the stop and even though the deputy was suspicious of Gibson's sobriety, he let him go.

Approximately one year ago Gibson was stopped again, after driving 64 miles an hour on Pacific Coast Highway -- where the speed limit is 45. Sources say that Gibson was so cocky that he was on his cell phone the entire time he was detained by the deputy. Ultimately, the deputy decided to let him go without giving him a citation.

And there's new information about Friday's arrest. As TMZ reported, the deputy who arrested Gibson was ordered by superiors to re-write his report and eliminate all references to Gibson's bad conduct and anti-Semitic remarks. Sources tell TMZ that Lt. Crystal Miranda told the arresting deputy that Captain Tom Martin talked to Sheriff Lee Baca who expressed concern that the explosive report might leak to the media and that it needed to be re-written in a sanitized form.

[Swamp Rat]

70. Anti-Semite Jesus Murderer