Why Won't The IDF Release The REAL Qana Footage? Where Is It?

[DistressedAmerican]

They spoon fed the media a bunch of tape from several days ago and from other places. All day long the MSM has been replaying that video implying the same thing happened in the Qana case.

The tapes released are nothing but propoganda. They tell us NOTHING AT ALL about the Qana attacks. Literally nothing at all. They do not prove any claim that the IDF was targeting a launcher when they killed the residents of Qana.

Yesterday when released, MSNBC's Jack Jacobson and David Grange (I think he was the other may be off) sat there and reported it as the actual launcher, the actual night, etc. What lies.

Where is the video of that alleged rocket launcher they say they were targeting? Not some other one from another time and or location. THE ONE.

Where is the video of the bomb strike? They say that they have all of the above.

Why the hell are people not pushing to see the ACTUAL video of what happened?

Where is it? Will they EVER release it?

If it backs up their claims that this strike was legitimate, where the hell are the tapes. Wouldn't they rush them right out undee the PR circumstances?

Fishy? Any chance they show nothing of the sort claimed by the IDF? Hmmmm?



Anyone accepting the story being put out about the IDF targeting a launcher in the area better be demanding this evidence before spouting off their certainty about the events. Right now all we really know is that Israel killed 57 innocent people in a bomb attack that they claim was targeting a launcher.

Yet I see a lot of DUers assuming as their base argument that the IDF is telling the truth. I want some evidence of that. Pardon me if I do not just accept the accused's word for it.

I fucking say to Israel, "PROVE IT"!

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. I wont demand it because I know I am not trained to judger it

I will ask that this is refereed to the International Court and that the ICRC is given full access to all evidence. Once the lawyers have a go at it, accept their judgment.

As is I can bet, having seen many of these investigations that you are wrong, and they are wrong and the Lebanese are wrong, why? You are letting emotions rule here. People who have nothing to gain, in the propaganda war have to take over... and I am proof positive you will not like this... for it requires cold hearts and ice for blood to do any of these investigations. I can also bet that when all is said and done, the truth is not one that anybody involved in this will like. Why? This is the case most of the time.

If you truly want to undestand international law, emotion or hollywood have no role in it.

[DistressedAmerican]

3. Please Stop Insulting Me With that Condescending Nonsense.

I am well aware of the ugliness of war. That innocents get killed, etc. I am a bit tired of you talking to me like a little kid here. I will not have you repeatedly condescend to me like I'm a moron. So, save it or gwet the return treatment it will elict. I'm done with that shit.

I asked that evidence be presented about the actual incident before people start adopting the IDF version of events.

I have seen many here simply asserting that they were in fact targeting a rocket launcher in Qana that night. None of those making that claim have any evidence to back that claim up. As I recall you seem to accept the story pretty uncritically. That is the basis of your whole legality argument no? That Israel was attacking a launcher that had launched 3 rockets from near the building? Maybe you should get the evidence before you make such assertions of base fact.

Seems like having that evidence is pretty basic to us as citizens believe about the actions of our government and those we support.

Fuck the courts. That is a completely diffrent issue. You have gone on at length about the legalities on the thread where that is appropriate. Save it for there please.

[leveymg]

12. I don't get the impression Nadine was being overly condescending.

I've been at the reciving end of a lot of nastiness these past few days. This whole place has been torn into two armed camps. Those of us, such as you, me, and Nadine, who are still talking to each other -- more or less civilly -- ought to be mindful that we are on the same side here. We all want peace, more than anything else.

If we don't hang together, they're surely going to hang us separately. - B. Franklin

[DistressedAmerican]

15. Have you seen the repeated times she has posted the same crap?

She has been at it all day. Condecsending to me like I'm a moron. I have asked her politely before to stop with the insults. I have tried to be polite and civil myself. Yet her she is with the exact same crap.

I guess she is not getting the message. I am not putting up with being threated like a fucking moron for suggesting that people should get the evidence of the claims before assuming them to be the base facts of the case. Not from someone I have gotten along with or some one I have not. Period.

[leveymg]

21. You asked a GREAT QUESTION here.

Nobody could condescend in response to that post. It's one of those very, very important questions that I haven't seen anyone else ask before.

Keep posting! Nadine is a nice person who has a lot of emotional involvement in this topic, like many of us. Please try to be patient, tolerant and forgiving in the hope that others will do the same.

[BobRossi]

2. Now you've done it...

Being critical of Israel will get your post deleted.

[DistressedAmerican]

7. I have not found that to be the case at all.

I have posted a number of such threads and they have not been deleted. In fact, I find the mods are providing a good amount of leeway even in deleting individual posts.

I think you are off base here. Maybe you had an issue. Don't know.

I have not.

[Beelzebud]

4. The same reason we saw DRAWINGS of "mobile chemical weapons labs"

[alcibiades_mystery]

5. That's just plain false!

They were computer animations! ;-)

[leveymg]

6. I want to believe that the IAF thought that building was empty except,

perhaps, Hezballah. It is obvious that the Israelis used a hell of a big bomb. I've also seen reference to a missile being used, perhaps a Hellfire which can knock out a main battle tank or penetrate a small bunker, or through the walls of a concrete apartment building.

The four story building collapsed, I heard, a few hours after the attack. Did anyone else hear that? If so, how were the people in the cellar killed?

Seems certain the structure itself was targeted, if "smart munitions" were used. Does anyone have any good source for exactly what type of munition was used?

[uppityperson]

8. do they have a real tape? Did they video the actual place prior?

not everywhere is taped, did they have 1 from here? If so, I would like it released also.

[DistressedAmerican]

9. CNN Was Reporting Yesterday That They Claim To.

They also noted that they are not releasing it.

WFT? Why not?

I smell scam.

[uppityperson]

10. me too

[Scurrilous]

11. According to the IDF...

...the aeriel photos of the strike on Qana haven't been released because they're still being processed.

[leveymg]

14. How many days before they come back from MotoPhoto?

Even the place in the shopping mall can process film in an hour. Geez - that's a stinker of an excuse.

Besides - they use videocameras these days. No processing time at all.

[Scurrilous]

18. That's their excuse...

...and they're sticking by it. :thumbsup:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/744426.html

"In the second IAF strike on Qana, which took place at around 2:30 A.M. Sunday, IAF planes bombed two targets located about 500 meters from the building that collapsed, and in the third strike, at around 7:30 A.M., three targets were bombed 460 meters away from the building, Eshel said. He told reporters that an analysis of photographs of the strikes, taken by cameras installed in the warplanes, showed that the four bombs dropped during the second and third strikes hit the intended targets, and that an IAF plane sent on a photo sortie in the afternoon confirmed that the intended targets had been hit.

The IDF has not released the aerial photographs, which Eshel said were being processed."

[DistressedAmerican]

22. Maybe our next funding bill could include money for film processing!

Oh my!:freak:

[leveymg]

25. That building was hit way closer than 460 meters.

I looked at some video footage. There's wreckage strewn all over the place - that was no mere building collapse.

BTW - the lethal blast radius of a single 500 pound bomb is 100 meters. If that was a bomb, it was a big one, and it hit much closer than 460 meters. An airstrike with a bomb dropped at a distance of a quarter-mile would not have killed people in the cellar. I heard from another poster here that the building collapsed several hours afterwards. So, what killed everyone?

My guess, either a big bomb hit it square or very close, or else it was a Hellfire-type air-launched missile that is designed to penetrate armour or small reinforced concrete structures.

So, IDF is hinting that it missed its intended target?

[DistressedAmerican]

16. Still being produced?

Come on. I could photoshop that up in less time.

[Igel]

13. MSNBC may have reported it as the actual video.

The Fox streaming version was explicit that it wasn't the actual footage, and was merely proof that Hezbollah did launch rockets from adjacent to civilian structures. As though we needed IDF footage when it's a commonplace in UNIFIL press releases that Hezbollah fires from adjacent to their positions.

I'd love to see the video of the actual strike. But they have no obligation to make it available, any more than Hezbollah does to provide us with tactical information from that night.

[leveymg]

17. CNN mixed what it claimed to be actual footage with other images.

It struck me as odd, as well. This whole incident is peculiar, and needs to be investigated thoroughly.

I think DistressedAmerican is asking a remarkably insightful question. Thanks, DA! :hi:

[DistressedAmerican]

20. I have just seen too many assuming that was the way things went.

Total lack of critical thinking. IDF issues a statement and some footage that does not have anything to do with the events and now most of America already accepts that they were targeting a weapon. No evidence for the claim at all.

The media is amazing in how it plants the lie without actually saying it directly. Even more amazing is how quick people are to internalize the lie.

Bush never did actually say Saddam was behing 9/11. But they sure put the thought in American minds!

[leveymg]

26. People believe what they want to believe.

The media just presents the images that people fit into their own narrative of the way they want the world to work.

But, when we try to deconstruct that narrative, no matter that it might be false, we should be sympathetic to those who put it together out of their own sense of idealism.

Sympathy provides insight. Very few people do things they believe to be downright evil - they'll usually improvise a way to avoid that, but still make a mess of things doing so. That, I believe, is the way wars are really fought.

[DistressedAmerican]

27. Agreed with one addition for ths case...

"The media and the IDF just presents the images that people fit into their own narrative of the way they want the world to work."

The media did not get the images from thin air afterall.

[leveymg]

28. Agreed.

The corporate media doesn't care what images it gets, so long as it tells the story from "our side".

Sometimes. as with the Abu Ghraib photos, the MSM publishes images even though they undermine the previous official narrative. That is, provided the source is "credible" (someone on our side, or some contending faction within it -- when you see a jarring contradiction, such as the Iraq torture photos, you pretty much know that they've been leaked from a very high source.)

[DistressedAmerican]

19. Then I should not be expected to believe their claims.

They do not have the kind of credibility that would lend me to just accept their version of events as fact. It may be a common pattern of behavior. That does not mean that it was the case here at all.

Without corroboration, their claims are just propoganda and spin. Feebly backed with bogus footage that has nothing to do with the events.

[QuestionAll...]

23. it's like looking at a surveillance tape of a store robbery...

a different one (or maybe not even a robbery at all) than the one you are investigating.

'Is this the perpertrator?"

= No, but we think he may have looked similar to this.

'Is this the location?"

= No, but we think it may have looked similar to this.

'So what is your evidence if these tapes prove nothing'

= We don't need evidence, we just need to make you think we do.

[DistressedAmerican]

24. See what you get for questioning all?

Stop thinking for yourself!:toast:

[Nimrod2005]

29. It really doesn't matter, does it...When you are backed by a us VETO

in the UN, so what about everything else.

[DistressedAmerican]

30. Kick