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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 11:47 PM
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Dominionists PLAN to use vitriol and hatred, plan to destroy Democrats.
This is really all we need to know to be on guard about the dominionist movement. This is a quick summary of Eric Huebeck's article on how to destroy the left. Sound familiar? They are doing it constantly.

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/FreeCongressEssay.html

"We will never stop being engaged in the wider culture. We will not "hunker down" and wait for the storm to blow over. Our strategy will be to bleed this corrupt culture dry. We will pick off the most intelligent and creative individuals in our society, the individuals who help give credibility to the current regime. To do this, we will promote a set of beliefs more compelling than that of our opponents. We will launch a movement with more energy and more intensity than our opponents are capable of summoning. When the choice is made clear, the people--cultural elites and non-cultural elites alike--will vote with their feet by either joining or patronizing our institutions and abandoning those of the Left, and the reigning leftist regime will collapse from lack of support.

Our movement will be entirely destructive, and entirely constructive. We will not try to reform the existing institutions. We only intend to weaken them, and eventually destroy them. We will endeavor to knock our opponents off-balance and unsettle them at every opportunity. All of our constructive energies will be dedicated to the creation of our own institutions.

We will maintain a constant barrage of criticism against the Left. We will attack the very legitimacy of the Left. We will not give them a moment's rest. We will endeavor to prove that the Left does not deserve to hold sway over the heart and mind of a single American. We will offer constant reminders that there is an alternative, there is a better way. When people have had enough of the sickness and decay of today's American culture, they will be embraced by and welcomed into the New Traditionalist movement. The rejection of the existing society by the people will thus be accomplished by pushing them and pulling them simultaneously.


And a little more from Eric, whose work is found at Paul Weyrich's site....The Free Congress Foundation. I would say it is working, because Congress is free to take very long vacations and not interfere in the president's agenda.
http://www.freecongress.org/

Eric says they should not worry about seeking approval from a wider society, only from themselves. Wow. They really don't care what we think. They say they WILL use vitriol and draw hatred. Unreal.

Acceptance by Fellow New Traditionalists More Important than Acceptance by Wider Society

The members of the New Traditionalists must make public affirmation of their identification with the new movement. They must seek approval for their actions from other New Traditionalists, and not from the wider society. It is unrealistic to assume that very many mortal human beings will be able to withstand in isolation the vitriol and hatred that our movement's program will engender. Culture wars generally seem to inspire higher emotions than verbal wars over economics, foreign policy, etc., because they address the most fundamental questions of what matters in life. Our people must learn to have contempt and scorn for the wider society, and reject it in all ways. This will never happen so long as our people seek accommodation with it.


Unbelievable.







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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 11:50 PM
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1. A bunch of nutcases
I wouldn't sweat it.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 12:02 AM
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3. We dismiss them at our own peril
Their agenda is well under way.

Sweat it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 12:04 AM
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5. Amen to that.
They will stop at nothing. They have not, and they will not let up.
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Extend a Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 12:07 AM
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7. we ignore them at our peril


<snip>
Senator Sam Brownback and Midge Decter of the Heritage Foundation offered conference-goers their strategies for reclaiming the culture. Sen. Brownback advocated "community culture clubs" to tackle moral issues such as abortion and divorce. These clubs, he said, could locally attack problems, finding solutions that fit their communities.

Brownback responded to last year's recommendation by Paul Weyrich that conservatives abandon politics by stating that conservatives "need to build AND infiltrate cultural institutions." He said it's isolating to just build parallel institutions and that it is necessary to change existing institutions from the inside -- areas like Hollywood, government, and the National Education Association.

http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=3291

These people are DANGEROUS
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itzamirakul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 11:56 PM
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2. We shall throw up our silvery shields of Progressive Thought and
progressive living and deflect their vitriol and hatred right back on them. They will wither and die of the evil of their own thought.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 12:03 AM
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4. That kind of hatered never wins! I can't believe any group of people are
so hateful and so intent on destroying everything many in America have fought for for several hundred years!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 12:05 AM
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6. Well, look who controls our government.
They won enough to get in total power.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 12:12 AM
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8. I know, and I HOPE enough of American voters know as well!
As I try to think of the things that happen in Politics over the past many years, it seems to me that the American voter is always looking for some kind of perfect world, and of course there isn't any. They're unhappy with the way things are so they vote to make a change. Disregarding the voting machines, and thinking strictly about voter attitude, I think that's part of what happened. People weren't happy with BC and his antics, and even prior to that, they weren't happy with the Dems who controlled Congress, so they made a change. The Pubs said, we need total control and you'll see how great we'll make things for you, so the voters decided to give it a try. I think we are again at that time when the voters are saying, hey, we gave ou a chance and you made things worse than anyone did before! We're going to make a change AGAIN!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 12:17 AM
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9. I agree about our changing it, will take time and guts.
I think people are waking up, but the leaders aren't paying attention. I think if we fight hard enough we might make a difference.

:hi:

But it won't be pretty.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 12:21 AM
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10. Hmmm, those leaders just might start paying attention is Leiberman
looses tomorrow. I think they've all grown very fat and happy and secure in their jobs. If a long term Senator gets tossed out, the rest of them jsut might wake up!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 12:27 AM
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12. Even if he wins, he will have to fight for it. Others are noticing.
We have made a difference already. MyDD has estimated Joe has raised over a million in the last few days, with big power folks coming in. It is hard to beat that, but if we keep trying we will.

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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 12:23 AM
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11. That happens -- The pendulum swings -- But not fast enough
We've got to find ways to accelerate the backlash against these jokers. Otherwise we're in deep shit.....Er, we're already in deep shit....Otherwise we'll be in deeper shit.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 09:52 AM
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18. Nice observations Armstead. Deepest shit yet to come.
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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 11:39 AM
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22. Oh you bet it wins
It's standard fascist tactics, and fascism has won, many times.

We are not dealing with a loyal opposition. We are dealing with a dangerous subversive element in utter opposition to everything America stands for. We need to know this and deal with them accordingly.

If we dismiss them as a fringe, or "fight" them with the rational arguments they despise, we will lose, just as the left (which outnumbered the Nazis) lost to Nazi tactics in the Weimar Republic.

For example, we need to forcefully support those who create culture who oppose this element, and put tremendous pressure on anyone who caves in to the dominionists' threats and demands. It has to be at least as unpleasant to go along as it is to stand up for what you believe in, else you will see countless people, worried about their income and safety, cave in, one by one.

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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 12:33 AM
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13. Sounds just like Karl Rove and Grover Norquist.
This is the nihilist union of the far right politicos and the far right religionists. They are *determined* to DESTROY EVERYTHING.

After they bring about this destruction, they see themselves as Lords Of The Earth.

Maybe Lieberman's defeat will send a message. Hopeful.....
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 06:41 AM
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14. Yup they are scary,
dangerous, and in control. They don't give a crap what the majority thinks and have found a way around us w/ the vapor vote machines. Do a google on the people in control of diebold and es&s.
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 06:48 AM
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15. I wrote about this myself for Buzzflash in 2002
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 07:03 AM
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16. Printing out for later read.
:hi:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 09:50 AM
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17. "The rise of Rush Limbaugh played a vital role "
Very true indeed. I am reading your article now. Thanks for sharing.
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 10:03 AM
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19. "Soon, zee world weel be miiiine"


"And you people weel be crushed like bugs." I think this guy's secret decoder ring malfunctioned somewhere back down the line.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 10:29 AM
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20. Rushdoony and reconstructionism..."All law is religious in nature"
http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v08n1/chrisre1.html
Theocratic Dominionism Gains Influence
by Frederick Clarkson


"The Origin of Reconstructionism
The original and defining text of Reconstructionism is Institutes of Biblical Law, published in 1973 by Rousas John Rushdoony--an 800-page explanation of the Ten Commandments, the Biblical "case law" that derives from them, and their application today. "The only true order," writes Rushdoony, "is founded on Biblical Law.

All law is religious in nature, and every non-Biblical law-order represents an anti-Christian religion." In brief, he continues, "Every law-order is a state of war against the enemies of that order, and all law is a form of warfare."

Gary North, Rushdoony's son-in-law, wrote an appendix to Institutes on the subject of "Christian economics." It is a polemic which serves as a model for the application of "Biblical Principles."

Rushdoony and a younger theologian, Rev. Greg Bahnsen, were both students of Cornelius Van Til, a Princeton University theologian. Although Van Til himself never became a Reconstructionist, Reconstructionists claim him as the father of their movement. According to Gary North, Van Til argued that "There is no philosophical strategy that has ever worked, except this one; to challenge the lost in terms of the revelation of God in His Bible. . .by what standard can man know anything truly? By the Bible, and only by the Bible." This idea that the correct and only way to view reality is through the lens of a Biblical world view is known as presuppositionalism. According to Gary North, Van Til stopped short of proposing what a Biblical society might look like or how to get there. That is where Reconstructionism begins. While Van Til states that man is not autonomous and that all rationality is inseparable from faith in God and the Bible, the Reconstructionists go further and set a course of world conquest or "dominion," claiming a Biblically prophesied "inevitable victory."

Reconstructionists also believe that "the Christians" are the "new chosen people of God," commanded to do what "Adam in Eden and Israel in Canaan failed to do. . .create the society that God requires." Further, Jews, once the "chosen people," failed to live up to God's covenant and therefore are no longer God's chosen. Christians, of the correct sort, now are. "


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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 10:45 AM
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21. I think you're misconstruing the "vitriol and hatred" bit.
Edited on Tue Aug-08-06 10:46 AM by igil
It doesn't say on which side of the culture war the hatred and vitriol will be "engendered". It's medio-passive; there's no actual volitional agent in the sentence, the movement's program is the non-volitional instrument.

You want it to being saying that New Traditionalists have to band together to support each other, and not rely on support from "wider society". That is, the opponents of New Traditionalists shouldn't be isolated. Because those that are isolated won't survive the hatred and vitriol.

That is, "We want to win, and first and foremost we want to make sure our opponents survive." This makes no sense.

The paragraph says that New Traditionalists (whatever those are) have to band together to support each other, and not rely on support from "wider society". That is, New Traditionalists shouldn't be isolated. Because those that are isolated won't survive the hatred and vitriol.

The question unanswered is, "Hatred and vitriol from whom?" Since its New Traditionalists versus some others, it's the others' that are left to hate and use vitriol.


Halliday and Hasan have a bit to say about coherence and cohesion. Cohesion in English (Halliday & Hasan 1976). Accessible to non-linguists, with a bit of effort.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 11:48 AM
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23. "the vitriol and hatred that our movement's program will engender."
Edited on Tue Aug-08-06 12:00 PM by madfloridian
I don't think I made much comment on that. They have stirred up more hate and vitriol than has even been in this country. And it was their plan.

I bolded this statement:

"the vitriol and hatred that our movement's program will engender."

Actually, though, they have spewed a lot of hatred and vitriol themselves, though that was not my point.
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