Where do pedophiles come from?

[Bobbieo]

I have just finished reading a very disturbing murder mystery based on pedophilia. Where do these monsters come from? I know they must have been unwanted, unhappy molested children to commit such deplorable acts. So this brings Roe/Wade into the picture.

Why can't people reasonably go beyond the concept of "murder of innocent babies" to see the number of wanted children being brought into this world, even now, who don't have a chance in hell of being raised in a normal family atmosphere - unloved and uncared for - that often results in child abuse which may turn those abused children into pedophiles, themselves.

Take away Roe/WAde and that number explodes!!

[SoCalDem]

1. They are your fathers, neighbors, scout-leaders, teachers, ministers

[benburch]

4. The Republican ones... nt

[oneighty]

11. Yes they are

I know first hand the truth of that. Parents must keep their senses tuned. Mine did not.

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[SoCalDem]

14. My mother turned a blind eye my way , as well

:(

I was eagle-eyed with MY kids.:)

[oneighty]

21. Good for you by golly

((((((((((((((hug)))))))))))))))

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[wicket]

35. Same here

:(

[William769]

15. Don't forget mothers.

[SoCalDem]

23. female pedophiles are RARE

I really don't think we can even include the recent spate of teacher/teen as "ordinary" pedophilia.. A 15 yr old boy consentually having sex with a female teacher is in NO way even approaching, an adult male forcing sex on a sleeping 6 year old, or a scout leader raping a cub scout on a campout.

[benburch]

38. Yes, really rare.

And if you make the distinction between Hebephiles (Those who are into children past puberty) and Pedophiles, female Pedophiles are almost non-existant.

Usually female offenders offend with boys past puberty.

[William769]

55. No excuses

pedophile is pedophile.

[Horse with no Name]

2. I call bullshit on this

What you are implying is that all women who have abortions are low class women who aren't capable of loving a child.
If this is what you think, then you have a very narrow view of women.

[Tiggeroshii]

9. look at their profile

they are a woman

[Horse with no Name]

19. Does that really matter?

Women legally have a choice to have an abortion.
This encompasses women of all classes of society, from the very poor to the very wealthy.
Now, if you take away the choice, you would perhaps see a portion of the women die from illegal abortions, the adoption rate would rise, child abuse most likely go up, but to insinuate that if we take away Roe v. Wade that we would be overrun with pedophiles because these children were born is insane.

[Tiggeroshii]

33. We wouldn't be overrun by pedophiles

But the psychological dysfunction within many of these people would be a far greater occurence than it is now. Think Oedipal conflict.

[Horse with no Name]

42. You are citing Freud?

:eyes:
He was a pervert.

[Tiggeroshii]

46. ...as well as a father of modern psychology

And see? Look what he did to it! :p

In all seriousness, his studies are still very relevant and the basis for any modern theories in that area.

:P

[Bobbieo]

18. Bullshit On This

I am a woman, and the mother of three children. The problem is that most of the women who should be having abortions are not, right now, are not having them. I'm mostly referring to drug abusers who will not jeopardize their habit and keep having one kid right after another. Granted there enough that do and that creates the need for Roe/Wade in the first place.

[Horse with no Name]

22. Abortion crosses class lines

Drug abusers and criminals are not the only women that have them.

[Bobbieo]

32. Bullshit on this

Horse With No Name - Unfortunately damn few drug abusers have abortions but we have to keep Roe Wade open for those that do!!!

[Horse with no Name]

36. I'm not arguing against keeping Roe v. Wade

I've done everything in my power to keep it alive--I volunteer for Planned Parenthood, etc.
But you are mischaracterizing women by insinuating that ONLY low class drug addicted women have abortions.
I call BULLSHIT on this.
Married women have abortions as well as single women. I know many women who have had one and they would no more abuse their children if they were forced to have them than you or I.

You are lumping all of these women in a pile and saying that they will all sexually abuse their babies if they are born and it is BULLSHIT.
We will NOT be overrun with pedophiles if God forbid R v W were overturned.

You are creating a fairy tale without any fucking statistics to back it up.

[Name removed]

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[Horse with no Name]

44. "Chinga tu" means "fuck you"

You can't cite any facts so you say "fuck you"?
Why doesn't this surprise me?:eyes:

[Horse with no Name]

45. Still no statistics eh?

Can't support your views with anything other than a fictional book and wild imagination?

[NotThatNolan]

25. But I know that it's true

that if you wanted to reduce pedophilia, you could -- if that were your sole purpose -- you could abort every male baby in this country, and your pedophilia rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your pedophilia rate would go down. So these far-out, these far-reaching, extensive extrapolations are, I think, tricky.

[EST]

28. Is that you, Bill Bennett?

[NotThatNolan]

51. Why I never!

</innocent>

[EST]

52. hah! Yes you did!

I saw you. 8 million bucks.:hi: Welcome to DU! I've been holding a place in line for you.

[benburch]

3. Mostly they come from the GOP...

Seems like the majority of high profile pedophile cases are people who, upon investigation, are GOP members.

[H2O Man]

24. It is the

form of abuse that cuts across all classes almost equally.

[lvx35]

26. You've got to look at that.

I've had a job working with pedophiles, and had training about them. One thing about them is that the bad ones generally premeditate a great deal, and put themselves in positions where they can get away with it. The best places are positions of trust like working in churches. Its interesting that a lot of these positions put them in with conservatives. I don't think Joe and Sally republican are more likely to be pedophiles, but I do think they are more naive and therefore more likely to be victimized. The mindset that looks at Bush and O'Reilly and is unable to see lies will also easily fall victim to the pedophiles deceptions and manipulations.

[benburch]

27. Of course there are two classes of Republicans.

The wolves and the sheep. Joe and Sally being the sheep.

[lvx35]

29. Exactly.

Joe and Sally think that they can spot evil people by how they look...Raghead, hippy liberal, etc. So they are easily manipulated by wolves in "sheeps clothing".

[Bobbieo]

34. Mostly come from tthe GOP

The pedophile in the book was a well-respected surgeon!!!

[blonndee]

54. Um, isn't this a WORK OF FICTION???

[Jara sang]

5. They come from here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/browse

[Tiggeroshii]

6. that's true

pedophilia comes from that atmosphere of being neglected, and I think that the number of people being raised as such would explode if we took away the right to abortion. Good point

[DebJ]

16. Please site studies connecting not being wanted with pedophilia

See my other post. Having a child you don't want does not suddenly confer upon you the desire to have sexual relations with a child. From what I have seen and read, a huge majority of pedophiles were themselves sexually abused as children. How many connections are there between unwanted pregnancies and the mother/father having been the victim of a pedophile? How many unwanted pregnancies have absolutely nothing to do with such? Certainly the later makes up the very huge majority, particularly in this era when people seem willing to drop their pants for just about anyone and with many many anyones.

[Tiggeroshii]

30. Here's the Oedipal conflict

Freud came up with the Oedipal conflict(Or at least used it in his studies), right? He stated that the closeness and affection between the mother and the child(or vice versa) would give a subconscious desire by the child for the mother. I haven't studied Freud's work intensively, but what I have read gives me the idea that when a mother is overly affectionate to the child, there would grow a sexual desire for the mother in the child's brain, and if this is not tabooed to the child before they reach any mature age, it would pretty much screw them up for life and cause them to become this pedophile which is the topic of conversation.

Our society allows and pretty much encourages a close relationship between a parent and the child and some parents(mostly younger, uneducated ones)allow a lot of affection between them and the child. I think it's reasonable to conclude that it's not the lack of affection and love that causes a child to develop a perverse mindset as such, but rather the tremendous amount of (physical) love and affection that develops as much. I think it's accurate to conclude that a majority of the demographic that would seek an abortion are the lower income and uneducated. If they did not seek this abortion, they would work exhaustingly in raising their child and it would become the only and most important thing in their lives. I think you can see that the Oedipal conflict would be occuring during the time that this poor parent is taking care of them.

It's not the neglect that would cause it, but rather the psychological influence in the affection that would. Giving it more thought, I don't think these children would be more neglected if they were raised, but rather quite the opposite. This will still cause the same psychological perversions if the parent is not careful.

[DebJ]

7. sorry, I disagree. not wanting your child does not confer a sexual

or prurient interest in children upon you. There is a distinctive difference between sexual abuse and other types of abuse. I would agree that an unwanted child who is for some reason not given up for adoption may well be more likely to suffer emotional abuse, emotional neglect, or physical neglect or physical abuse in the form of beatings or spankings....but NOT sexual abuse.

[stop_the_madness]

8. *Shaken my head *

this is pure nonsense.....

[f-bush]

10. Republican families

[lvx35]

12. Great question, but I have to call BS too.

A lot of people who've gone through abortion are good hearted people who just can't afford to give a baby a good life. If they had their baby, they would do everything they can to keep them safe, its just that they can't guarantee that they can put food in their mouth. A lot of people who get abortions are responsible folks in this sense.

[izzybeans]

13. Wherever a repressed sense of libido exists

there are obvious culprits (not people but contexts): Celibacy oaths (forced or willful) might be a start.

Pedophiles come from an authoritarian enforcement of "family values" interepreted as "your penis makes you a bad boy".

[TechBear_Seattle]

17. There are lots of likely causes for pedophilia

Being an unwanted child might be a risk factor, but it is only one, and likely a very small one: many child molesters had normal upbringings. Recriminalizing abortion would have very little, if any, impact in the number of child molesters.

[jrw14125]

20. churches

[Bridget Burke]

31. I'm sure academics have several opinions.

I'd rather not do a search, since I'm sure many of the results would be "unscientific."

Personally, I don't think lack of abortion rights is an important factor. Has pedophilia declined since Roe v Wade? Quite "normal" families suffer from pedophilia--that is, a family with sufficient income to support the kids. It does appear that pedophiles were often molested in their childhood.

By the way--was the book written by David Lindsey?

[Bobbieo]

39. David Lindey - No

"Shiny Water" was written by Anna Salter.

[rniel]

37. Usually church leaders and republicans

n/m

[DanCa]

40. Some where formerly abused sad but true. (nt)

[Beaverhausen]

43. As someone who came from a republican family, I resent all these...

..."pedophiles are republicans" posts.

If someone has some actual stats supporting this view then fine, otherwise please cut it out.

[seabeyond]

53. i agree with you to a point. i think a religion that is obsessed in

the evils, sinnin, of sex does mess people up. i found this awhile ago, and i am bothered by it. but as i stated in my posts below, it is not a repug/religoin thing, it is much bigger than that. bet here is a bet of what youa sk for. it is not current

* Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

* Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

* Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

* Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

* Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

* Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

* Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

* Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

* Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

* Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

* Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

* Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

* Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

* Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

* Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

* Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

* Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

* Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

* Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with a 16 year old girl when he was 28.

* Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

* Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

* Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

* Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

* Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

* Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

* Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

* Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

* Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

* Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

* Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

* Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

* Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.

* Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

* Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

* Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

* Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

* Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

* Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

* Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

* Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

* Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

* Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

* Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

* Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

* Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

http://www.armchairsubversive.com/

[murielm99]

57. I resent it, too, but for slightly different reasons.

I have a family member, someone I grew up with, who is a convicted sex offender. He is a pedophile. He has not re-offended in the 14 years since his conviction. He is very aware of what he has to do, how he has to live, to avoid re-offending. He has been in therapy for his condition since soon after his conviction.

He is, like the rest of my family, a staunch Democrat.

I know this is anecdotal, but so what? Some of the people here who are saying that pedophiles are repukes are being flippant. The rest are being unscientific. We don't know everything there is to know about pedophilia. One of the reasons we know so little is that doctors and psychiatrists are reluctant to study it, because it is such a repulsive subject. Since our knowledge of pedophilia is incomplete, is is damn certain that we can't assign blame to members of a political party!

It is a tragedy for any family to have a sexually abused child. It is a tragedy too, to have a pedophile in one's family.

Many people think that pedophiles were abused themselves as children. That may be correct. One of the things my relative mentioned to me is that he does not remember anything that happened to him before he was eight years old. He remembers the moving to a different town, and attending the last half of third grade in that new town. When he discussed his situation with me and another female cousin, we both quizzed him on things we remembered as small children. He swore he remembered none of it. We theorized that he did not remember anything because he was sexually abused and traumatized by it. He says he does not know. I did not have the nerve to suggest that he bring it up in therapy. I don't know if he ever did. We have not discussed any of this in the last few years.

[SmokingJacket]

47. Being a formerly unwanted baby...

I would have to say that not EVERY unwanted child is in that situation. Lots of pre-Roe mothers just made do, struggled, and ended up loving the child they didn't want -- because they had to. I'm pro-choice, and know that every situation is different.

However, as the mother of two sons, one of my obsessions is trying to make sure my kids turn into good people. What DOES make a pedophile? If I keep my children from abuse, is that enough? CAN I keep my children perfectly safe without turning into an over-protective freak??

[Horse with no Name]

48. Exactly

To paint women with a broad brush that they will all abuse their children and turn them into pedophiles if they can't abort them is reprehensible and paints women overall as ugly creatures.
I would like to say the majority of them would do just as your mother did.

[ObaMania]

49. Red states, mainly.

In the rare case they are from a blue state, then they must've moved from a red one.

In all seriousness... God. They are just like you and me. Not sick, just probably depraved. They are people who can't get any, they are people in the church who aren't allowed to get any, and they are old folks (men and women) who are jealous of youth, IMO. They are probably also folks (mainly dudes) who've had it all and are taking on the next challenge.

I think it is probably a preference. Just like youngin's who get it on with old people.

If it is statutory rape, ie. the kid is too young in the eyes of the law but all signs point to the kid was consenting, then that is not pedophilia. Look, I'm pretty sure kids know what they are getting themselves into as early as 12 or 13.

When they are pedophiling very young kids, or abducting and raping/killing them, then it's probably a sickness.

Don't get me wrong, I don't condone it (actually haven't really thought about it), but states and countries have different opinions, cultures, etc.. that view it differently, so I am just formulating an opinion on available data.

JM .02, FWIW

[seabeyond]

50. born with it, or something that is learned thru experience

i would guess both.

they have learned the chemical activity of the brain is different with the very violent in our society. we have seen parents do a fine job and still the child doesnt "behave" as we would expect. i am also sure that a mother that doesnt love, fathers that abuse are also indictments to the pedophile. we also know that many people that were physically abused, abuses, people that were sexually abused, abuses. i dont think it is any simple answer. i dont think it is something to point the finger to religion, to republican as if it isnt a serious subject, or it isnt a serious allegation to make towards a group. i dont like it when the right says, dems dont have family value, arent christians, i am certainly not going to do something like this with this subject. lets remember matthews obl is an over the top moore. not factual, not true and is hurtful and wrong

[kevinbgoode]

56. Vatican City n/t

58. I don't understand pedophilia either

and it seems like TV nowadays acts like there is one every square inch plus serial killers.