On CSPAN2 11pm - The Case for Impeachment: The Legal Argument

[Viva_La_Revolution]

The Case for Impeachment: The Legal Argument for Removing President George W. Bush from Office
Dave Lindorff and Barbara Olshansky

Dave Lindorff and Barbara Olshansky are co-authors of "The Case for Impeachment: The Legal Argument for Removing President George W. Bush from Office. At a symposium held at Robin's Bookstore in Philadelphia, the authors argue that President Bush's administration threatens basic freedoms and the American system of checks and balances. The co-authors review several of what they consider impeachable actions by President Bush, including lying to Congress about the need to invade Iraq for possession of weapons of mass destruction, refusing to cooperate with the congressional 9/11 Commission probes, and obstructing justice in protecting the person responsible for revealing that former Ambassodor Joseph Wilson’s wife, Valerie Plame, was an undercover CIA operative. The authors suggest that impeachment should be a key issue this election year and impeachment legislation should be submitted to the next House Judiciary Committee.

Dave Lindorff is a journalist who has written for numerous publications, including BusinessWeek, Salon, and the Nation. He's also the author of three books, "This Can't Be Happening!" "Killing Time," and "Marketplace Medicine." Barbara Olshansky is an attorney for The Center for Constitutional Rights. She is currently managing habeas litigation on behalf of 300 detainees held at Guantanamo Bay. She is the author of "Secret Trials and Executions: Military Tribunals and the Threat to Democracy."

[davidwparker]

1. thanks. i'll be watching.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

6. this is great!

"let's just run through the impeachable crimes, then before my voice gives out, I'll turn it over to Barbara, who'll give you some more impeachable crimes"

#1 War Crimes

[LynnTheDem]

2. But has bush had an extramarital blowjob???

That's what decides impeachment in America. Not little things like supreme crime wars of aggression causing the deaths of 2600+ under-equipped & over-extended stop-lossed American soldiers.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

3. 10 minutes KICK!

[EFerrari]

4. "He came into office without being elected in the first place. He was

chosen by Republican judges."

I love this guy.

:edit: Dave Lindorff

[Viva_La_Revolution]

5. book kept growing, more crimes came to light

3 months to write (deadline) kept having to ask for more time as new crimes were uncovered.

Risen came out, new info, add a chapter

Plame outing, add a chapter

signing statements... add a chapter.


Praised Conyers for a bit. :)

making correlations to the propaganda they feed us, compared to Germany 1930's

[NMDemDist2]

7. thanks for the head's up

I'm watching now

[Viva_La_Revolution]

8. We made a concious choice to avoid the 911 conspiracy stories...

because it's very hard to prove, or to prove the Pres. had something to do with it. SO THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT. I will say this. The fact that he actively obstructed investigations into 911 leads to some very interesting issues.

paraphrased

[EFerrari]

9. Black op by Office of Specials Plans?

I think my brain just shut down. Did he say that out loud and on camera?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

10. yes he did

The whole Niger thing, routing the info around through the British and announcing it new info, after cia already said it was a fake. a Pentagon black op.

:wow: live and out loud!

[EFerrari]

11. Olshansky: "This administration has pushed the country into a huge

constitutional crisis."

[EFerrari]

12. What is she talking about "what the NYTs discussed in that editorial

on the hidden agenda" ?

[EFerrari]

13. "Who took them?" "I don't know, Agent Mike."

This in reference to Muslims rounded up after 9/11 and dealing with their poor family members.

She said, "Agent Mike". :wow:

[EFerrari]

14. "We will never know, at least in my lifetime, how many people were taken."

Ashcroft's position after 9/11 was that FOIA was SUSPENDED.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

15. I'm speechless

I've never heard this detailed an explanation of what happened to those people.

[EFerrari]

18. Amy reported it but no one else that I know of. n/t

[mmonk]

16. Will this be shown again?

[EFerrari]

20. I checked Viva's BookTv Thread. Tomorrow morning 8:15 Eastern nt

[mmonk]

36. Thanks

recorded.

[EFerrari]

17. Olshansky: The whole reason for putting people in Gitmo

is because there is no court that has jurisdiction there. The Law does not apply. (paraphrased).

[Viva_La_Revolution]

19. 7, 8, 9, and 11 year old children

in camp Iguana.

:wtf:


:mad:


:cry:

[EFerrari]

21. 'Let me get this right, you think this President has the right to pick up

any person for any reason at any time."

[Viva_La_Revolution]

22. and stop off at other countries for interrogations along the way

he said 'yep'

[EFerrari]

25. And, with the new bill (which one?) they cross out "aliens"

and now it reads "people" -- i.e., it can happen to any American.

Looks like we weren't being paranoid after all.

It's been nice reading you, Viva. If I stop posting, send someone out to check on my animals. :crazy:

[EFerrari]

23. Unfortunately I think we have a Congress who hasn't heard enough

of our shouts"

Well, duh. See No Evil Congress has been protecting their capital on our necks.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

24. Q and A

I hope someone asks about Impeaching Cheney too

first double impeachment in history. :evilgrin:

[EFerrari]

26. Olshansky: "They will stop at nothing. Character assassination is just

the tip of the iceberg."

[EFerrari]

27. "Over 50% of Americans believe that the president should be impeached."

So, :wtf: are we waiting for?

[burrowowl]

28. Excellent!

I am watching it now!
I am going to get the book.

[EFerrari]

29. "It's not the leadership, not the Chuck Shumers or Nancy Pelosis but

the rank and file Democrats who have signed onto the Impeachment Caucus."

[Viva_La_Revolution]

30. ThisCantBeHappening.net

http://thiscantbehappening.net/


July 7, 2006
Buzzflash Reviews The Case for Impeachment

We've offered a number of premiums and commentaries touching upon impeachment, because whether you think it will happen or not, it is still important to understand why it should happen. Of course, any book or article about why Bush (and Cheney) merit impeachment ought to begin with the phrase, "Let me count the ways."

And in a manner, The Case for Impeachment does just that. In fact, just a couple of weeks ago, BuzzFlash ran an essay by Dave Lindorff, one of this book's co-authors, on "Ten Reasons To Impeach the President -- And One Reason Why Democratic Leaders Are Wrong To Be Afraid To Do It." Assuming that the Democrats win the House in 2006 (a big assumption at this point, but one can dream), Lindorff persuasively argues that "the reality is that the Democratic Party, should it manage to win a majority in House and Senate in November, will be unable to accomplish a single thing with President Bush in the White House, since the president has already claimed that he has the power to violate and ignore 750 acts and laws passed by a Congress led by his own party. Before the Democrats can count on a single bill of theirs becoming the law of the land, they will have to remove this usurper from office. Even ardent conservatives should be afraid of leaving stand actions that, if unchallenged, will set a precedent for all future presidents, Republican and Democrat, making American presidents into tyrants answerable to no one."

In short, do we fail to discuss impeachment because we fear it would be too "radical" to consider removing from power a tyrant who sees the Constitution as an obstacle?

Our revolutionary ancestors fortunately were not so timid with King George in 1776.

As one reviewer noted, "Any American who wants to preserve what's left of our precious Bill of Rights from further encroachments, and to repair the Constitutional separation of powers vitiated by George Bush, should read this essential book -- which should also be force-fed to every single member of Congress."

If the concept of impeachment makes you cringe, just look at it this way.

You either are for a reality-based democracy with respect for the Constitution -- or you are for the fantasy island version of autocratic, single-party illegal rule of the Busheviks.

It's impossible to straddle the two visions of American government. The former is the vision bequeathed to us by the founders of our nation; the latter is an extremist imposition of a relatively small band of fanatics who don't respect the rule of law.

If the latter doesn't merit discussion of impeachment, what would? An act of fellatio?

Apparently Republicans think a sexual act is greater grounds for removal of a President from office than chronic illegal behavior, calculatedly lying a nation into war, throwing the Constitution out the window, and violations of international law, among other reasons.

But the Constitution itself provides a remedy for such unAmerican criminal activity.

It's called removal from office, better known as impeachment.

It's a drastic remedy, but it could save democracy from becoming another casualty of history, when fanatics are allowed to insidiously seize unchallenged power and violate the rule of law.
http://thiscantbehappening.net/id16.html

[EFerrari]

31. It was so good to hear two intelligent, well spoken advocates

for the LAW talk very coherently and without exaggeration on the crimes of this Administration.

I'm never again going to allow anyone to tell me impeachment is not politically viable.

Ever.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

32. CSPAN2 @ 1:45 AM Eastern - Was the 2004 Presidential Election Stolen?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1990978

[NotGivingUp]

33. That was an amazing show. It's on again Sunday 8:15AM ET.

[calimary]

35. Are you sure? I don't see it listed.

I missed it, too, dammit.

[faithnotgreed]

34. disappointed that i missed it - this book has 5 stars at amazon

not that amazon is the gold standard but really nice to see moderates voice their support for this

i will try to buy it from barnes and noble since theyre blue