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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:17 AM
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The latest from the radical religious right
Thought I would make everyone aware of the most recent shit--er, crap--from the RRR. This is currently circulating, and perhaps it can go away long before the holidays.



Subject: The ACLU What a GREAT idea!


I Sure hope I remember this great idea, thanks.....D.


MAY GOD RICHLY BLESS THESE FOLKS THIS CHRISTMAS, THEY NEED IT. HIS BLESSING


NOT WHAT THEY WANT


What a GREAT idea!

Fun with the ACLU!!!!!

Wanna have some fun this CHRISTMAS? Send the ACLU a CHRISTMAS CARD this year.

As they are working so very hard to get rid of the CHRISTMAS part of this holiday, we should all send them a nice, CHRISTIAN, card to brighten up their dark, sad, little world.

Make sure it says "Merry Christmas" on it

Here's the Address: Just don’t be crude or rude (Not the Christian Way, you know!)


ACLU
125 Broad Street
18th Floor
New York, NY 10004

Two tons of Christmas cards would freeze their operations because they wouldn't know if any were regular mail containing contributions. So spend 39 cents and tell the ACLU to leave Christmas alone. Also tell them that there is no such thing as a "Holiday Tree". . . . It's a Christmas Tree even in the fields!!

And pass this on to your email lists. We really want to communicate with the ACLU! They really DESERVE us!!



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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:21 AM
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1. Well, that is a testament to ignorance, isn't it?
The snarky undertone is obvious, ie. "dark, sad, little world." Not very Christian, IMHO.

The ACLU fights for religious freedom - from it and for it.

Ignorance of this magnitude is just astounding.
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:29 AM
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2. Remember when "Merry Christmas" was a nice thing to say,
instead of a challenge to fight? These people accuse progressives of politicizing Katrina and Sept. 11, but they're the ones trying to make Christmas into the playing field for yet another political food fight.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:31 AM
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3. Sean Hannity didn't mind the ACLU's help when he needed it
Hypocrites.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:54 AM
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10. Nor did Rush, nor Ollie North, nor Alex Arshinkoff of Summit County
Ohio (oversized Bush/Cheney 04 sign - if it were Kerry, the laws would have cracked down immediately), nor the KKK ...
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:31 AM
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4. My sister says "Let's just keep the HOLY in Holiday". MORANS.
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Tulum_Moon Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:40 AM
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7. Bunch of morons!
Take the money and do something to help others during the "holidays" if they must celebrate them.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 04:34 PM
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11. It's just a red herring anyway...which in itsself is kinda Christmasssy,
if you're Swedish. LOL
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:33 AM
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5. Give us the home address of the person who sent you the email...
There's a little boy with cancer named Craig Shergold who lives at that address who wants us to send him cards...

That's a satirical riff.

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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:37 AM
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6. This got forwarded to my work e-mail yesterday.
One of the guys I work with tends to forward stuff like that, not so much because he believes it but he seems to find it entertaining. I always get into snopes.com or other sources, and I've never failed yet to debunk any of them. So, after checking the ACLU's website, here's how I responded (replying to all):

Where do people get these stupid notions about the ACLU (of which I am a proud member)? Instead of forwarding uninformed and inaccurate e-mails of doubtful provenance, why not make the effort to learn something about what the ACLU really does, which is protect the much abused civil liberties of all Americans, including Christians (who, as something like 80% of the population, are hardly a persecuted minority, notwithstanding the ignorant rantings of Faux News windbags). The ACLU is not in any respect trying to suppress Christmas, and probably would be happy to get Christmas cards. Many ACLU members, such as myself, actually send them.

Here's a list of some things the ACLU has done to HELP people practice their religion:

September 20, 2005: ACLU of New Jersey joins lawsuit supporting second-grader's right to sing "Awesome God" at a talent show.

August 4, 2005: ACLU helps free a New Mexico street preacher from prison.

February 2005: ACLU of Pennsylvania successfully defends the right of an African American Evangelical church to occupy a church building purchased in a predominantly white parish.

December 22, 2004: ACLU of New Jersey successfully defends right of religious expression by jurors.

November 20, 2004: ACLU of Nevada supports free speech rights of evangelists to preach on the sidewalks of the strip in Las Vegas.

November 9, 2004: ACLU of Nevada defends a Mormon student who was suspended after wearing a T-shirt with a religious message to school.

August 11, 2004: ACLU of Nebraska defends church facing eviction by the city of Lincoln.

July 10, 2004: Indiana Civil Liberties Union defends the rights of a Baptist minister to preach his message on public streets.

June 3, 2004: Under pressure from the ACLU of Virginia, officials agree not to prohibit baptisms on public property in Falmouth Waterside Park in Stafford County.

May 11, 2004: After ACLU of Michigan intervened on behalf of a Christian Valedictorian, a public high school agrees to stop censoring religious yearbook entries.

March 25, 2004: ACLU of Washington defends an Evangelical minister's right to preach on sidewalks.

February 21, 2003: ACLU of Massachusetts defends students punished for distributing candy canes with religious messages.

October 28, 2002: ACLU of Pennsylvania files discrimination lawsuit over denial of zoning permit for African American Baptist church.

July 11, 2002: ACLU supports right of Iowa students to distribute Christian literature at school.

April 17, 2002: In a victory for the Rev. Jerry Falwell and the ACLU of Virginia, a federal judge strikes down a provision of the Virginia Constitution that bans religious organizations from incorporating.

January 18, 2002: ACLU defends Christian church's right to run "anti-Santa" ads in Boston subways.

Does this look anti-Christian or anti-Christmas to you?

My co-worker wrote back (I'm off work this week) and said he didn't mean to offend me; I said he didn't and that I'd meant my remarks for the originator of the e-mail. And I just found this specific response from the Indiana ACLU: http://www.aclu.org/religion/gen/22324res20051207.html

"...We get this type of correspondence a lot, mostly in reaction to a well-organized attempt by extremist groups to demonize the ACLU, crush religious diversity, and make a few bucks in the process. Sadly, this self-interested effort is being promoted in the guise of defending Christmas.

For example, the Alliance Defense Fund celebrates the season with an "It's OK to say Merry Christmas" campaign, implying that the ACLU has challenged such holiday greetings. (As part of the effort, you can get a pamphlet and two Christmas pins for $29.)
The website WorldNetDaily touts a book claiming "a thorough and virulent anti-Christmas campaign is being waged today by liberal activists and ACLU fanatics." The site's magazine has suggested there will be ACLU efforts to remove "In God We Trust" from U.S. currency, fire military chaplains, and expunge all references to God in America's founding documents. (Learn more for just $19.95 . . . )

Of course, there is no "Merry Christmas" lawsuit, nor is there any ACLU litigation about U.S. currency, military chaplains, etc. But the facts are not important to these groups, because their real message is this: By protecting the freedom of Muslims, Jews, and other non-Christians through preventing government entanglement with religion, the ACLU is somehow infringing on the rights of those with majority religious beliefs..."







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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:41 AM
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8. They are desperate aren't they?
They are pulling out there rhetoric at about the same time WalMart is pulling out their Christmas crap made in China.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:49 AM
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9. I'm fairly certain that Anthony Romero, the Executive Director of the ACLU
Edited on Tue Aug-29-06 11:50 AM by Tesha

http://www.aclu.org/about/staff/13279res20030205.html

I'm fairly certain that Anthony Romero, the Executive Director of
the ACLU, will just say "Thanks!"

One, he's not the kind of guy to go out of his way to see snarky
insults. Two, he may actually celebrate Christmas himself!

So let them waste their 39 cents.

Tesha
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