I'm outraged! ABC brought in the Lewinski scandal. I can't believe it.

[NoSheep]

I just can't believe they are getting by wth this. That's it. i can't find the words.

[seabeyond]

1. welll duh.... lollol no sheep where have you been

teasing...

[NoSheep]

4. Really. It just blew my mind. We have fascists running the country and

somehow, that blow job was worse? It never occured to me it was going to be that bad.

[Taverner]

18. Strength through Unity. Unity through faith

Didn't you hear?

We were all rescued from those horrible 8 years of peace and prosperity by our glorious leader

[valerief]

2. I'm surprised they didn't spend a half hour on it. n/t

[C_U_L8R]

3. it's a republican tour de force

and boy do they look like idiots...
they just can't help themselves.

[TankerKC]

5. I just can't believe...

that they showed something that actually happened! I'm outraged!

[Lex]

9. Yeah, the Republicans spending massive money and time on Clinton's

penis instead of issues that they actually SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONCERNED WITH. They are sick. Like Political Peeping Toms.

Blech.

Frankly, it's not Clinton's fault if the Republicans couldn't keep their hands out his pants.

[MoonRiver]

14. About the ONLY real thing the little rw perverts seem to have filmed

in this laughable, pathetic farce is Clinton's consensual relationship with Monika. (Psst, in case you didn't know, your sarcasm is showing.)

[EstimatedProphet]

26. It's the showing things that didn't happen I'm concerned about

[CatWoman]

6. why are you even watching that bullshit?

please, please no more ABC threads!!!!! :nuke:

why don't you keep it over here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2102341#2102352

[OwnedByFerrets]

8. Thats really what I want to know......

why is any progressive watching this?

[NoSheep]

10. Because I want to be able to speak intelligently about why I don't feel

it should even be on TV. So many people have said, "But you haven't even seen it...how do you know it's bad?" I even had a fight with my damn best friend about it last night because she thought my feelings about it weren't fair because I hadn't seen it yet. I want to know what the damn enemy is up to. God Dammit. I come to this board for support, but I don't get any around here. Who are you damn people? Thanks a hell of a lot for absolutely nothing but something more to feel terrible about. Fuck anybody who thinks we are going to do any good sticking our damn heads in the sand.

[OwnedByFerrets]

15. If someone who I trust

and is highly intellegent tells me that there is some shit on the table, I dont need to stick my nose in it to make sure its shit. We have been told by dozens of articulate people that this is a piece of propaganda. I dont need to support it by watching it to know its a piece of shit. :mad:

[NoSheep]

16. Good for you.

[NoSheep]

17. It seems you have a lot of anger about this and I wonder if you are

directing that toward me. I'm angry too. We all are. We all know this is a piece of shit being shoved in our faces. So therefore, I don't really need snide comments from a discussion board where I thought we were all in this together. You know, some times it's just better not to say anything at all if it isn't supportive. My original post showed a clearly frustrated person. It would have been really nice if I could have maybe had a laugh about it or something. If you read my response to CatWoman, you'd know I had a bad discussion about the movie with a person I really care about and they questioned my opinion of the movie without having seen it. This person is my best friend. I don't want to have to avoid discussions with her the way I have to with my family and coworkers. So I watched it so I could see for myself what it was that was wrong with it so I could have a reasonable discussion about it with people who want to discuss it.

As ABC was probably editing the thing up until the end, who knew WHAT it would be like? I wanted to know. Is that okay with you? Because it seems as if some think I should check with them before I make any decisions. Is that what you think I should do? I had written tons of letters and signed 2 petitions hoping to do my small part to get this thing stopped or cleaned up. It mattered to me that the people could have had some small affect on the final cut of the movie.

Who is this "highly intelligent, trusted" person you speak of that I should have do my thinking for me? Richard Clark? Bill Clinton? Will Pitt? Of course I trust them on these issues. They are some of my heroes. But I can't commit to memory everything they say and write about the situation. I remember some of the issues very well. But none of us saw what ABC would air BEFORE they aired it. Unless Clark and Clinton were in the editing room up until the last minute. And I sincerely doubt they were.

Besides hanging out at DU, which I do about 5 hours total per week these days, I do have a life. And in that life, I have come to trust myself and the way I deal with things. 43 years. I've seen a lot. And I don't remember ever thinking someone else should be like me. Do what I do. We all do it our own way. Realizing that is what makes me a progressive, I feel.

It's so easy to sit at a keyboard and type jiffy little replies that make others feel bad or misunderstood. And which Democrats do you know who could possibly need more of that these days?. If that isn't what you were doing, then just let me know and I'll say I am sorry I misunderstood you. But if that IS what you were doing, I'd like to ask you if you can defend yourself above and beyond just the first thing that crosses your mind.

[Art_from_Ark]

53. Don't let it bother you

This is a (presumably) anonymous discussion board with tens of thousands of registered members. Someone's bound to tick you off if you're here long enough.

If you want to watch the ABC "documentary" and point out all its flaws to people you talk to, then I say, More power to you.

[NoSheep]

55. Thanks Art_from_ Ark. It has been a long day.

:hi:

[NoSheep]

11. Why don't you put me on ignore? Why do you even read and respond to my

thread?

[Jane Eyre]

7. Loved the Washington Monument symbolism

That was just too precious...shots of the ultimate American phallic symbol interspersed with the famous Clinton finger-wagging moment and fuzzy glimpses of Monica Lewinsky walking around. Hey guys, don't forget that the Washington Monument is based upon Egyptian obelisks. Must be another Middle Eastern plot from way back, maybe an Illuminati thing or something. Too funny.

[Nikki Stone 1]

12. The GOP is running against Clinton's penis this November

God knows they can't run on their record.

[NoSheep]

13. Now that was funny. Thanks.

[bobthedrummer]

19. Cyrus Nowrasteh's "work"-what did any politically aware citizen expect

from him and the UHP team?

[cally]

20. What did I miss? ABC was responsible for the Lewinsky scandal?

I blame all the corporate media, but was it lead by ABC?

[NoSheep]

21. lol!

If we can only figure out how the republicans managed that Tsunami.:D

[AtomicKitten]

22. even the NYT retracted that lie

from ThinkProgess http://thinkprogress.org/page/2/

New York Times corrects the record. Remember this post? http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/07/nyt-lewinsky/ Looks like someone was listening: “The TV Watch column in Weekend yesterday, about the ABC mini-series The Path to 9/11, referred incorrectly to a conclusion of the commission that investigated the terror attacks. The commission said the accusation that President Clinton had ordered air strikes against Osama bin Laden in August 1998 to distract attention from the Monica Lewinsky scandal was one of several factors that ‘likely had a cumulative effect on future decisions about the use of force’ against Mr. bin Laden. It did not conclude that the scandal distracted the Clinton administration from the terrorist threat.” September 9, 2006 11:25 pm

[NoSheep]

24. Thank you for posting that. I'd like to clarify something for anyone

responding to my OP.

It is not that I don't understand the way these devils work. It's that they continue to amaze me at how ridiculous they can be. Can you see how those 2 things can exist in one person's mind? I know how they are. I keep up with their shit to excess. I just can't believe it keeps coming. Perhaps my amazement comes from my refusal to become a total cynic. I just keep having hope that someone will at least have a little taste, y'know? It's just that the Monica excuse is just so incredibly stupid. It's such an obvious dumb ass way of defending themselves. Hell, if they are going to own the media, and spout all the lies they want, why don't they make up a good one?

I suppose I expected the people here to get that. It was the obvious thing to do. To bring up the damn blow job like somehow that is the worst thing anyone ever did. And I know their supporters: the duped, the ignorant; they DO think sex is evil and killing Muslims is our god given right. It just continues to amaze me that there are so many people like that in our country. And they're all around me. Everyday. It's the way I avoid blowing my own damn head off....to keep a little hope that they'll get better and be real. :-(

[AtomicKitten]

27. well, it's a convenient lie

one that was carefully crafted by the wingnuts enabled by the ever-compliant media. And it rings false in the face of the same people belly-aching about Monica at the same time screaming "wag the dog" when Clinton demonstrated he, in fact, was not distracted by the GOP jihad raged against him in the 1990s.

I believe the wingnuts' fake outrage has been exposed to thinking America. It's crazy-making indeed to coexist with people who kowtow to the repetitive lies perpetrated by the wingnuts, but that's when we most need to reach down and tune in to truth and reality because, and I too am an annoying optimist , I believe that truth and decency will prevail in the end.

[NoSheep]

32. Thank you. Thanks again for connecting. Here's a question:

I would love to understand the expression: "wag the dog". Can you tell me what that means? :pals:

[AtomicKitten]

33. a couple explanations

from http://www.wordorigins.org/wordorw.htm
Etymology and word origins.

Wag the Dog

The phrase "the tail that wags the dog" dates to the turn of the century. In 1907, it appeared in Von Arnum's Fraulein Schmidt. F. Scott Fitzgerald used it in 1935. The meaning is quite obvious, the subsidiary part is controlling the major part. In its most current usage, the case is of the media creating the crisis instead of the crisis generating media interest.


***************************

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wag_the_Dog

"Why does a dog wag its tail? Because a dog is smarter than its tail.

If the tail was smarter, the tail would wag the dog." Interpretations differ as to the meaning of this metaphor. Some suggest the dog is public opinion, and the tail represents the media; the dog is the media, and the tail is political campaigns; or the dog is the people, and the tail is the government.

Moreover, the expression "the tail wagging the dog" refers to any case where something of greater significance (such as a war) is driven by something lesser (such as a sex scandal).

[NoSheep]

38. I get it! Now that bupkuss is having his say. Oye:

"We're safer, but we're not yet safe." If I've heard that once I've heard it a thousand times in the past few days. They've programmed themselves to program us. The machines, truly, are trying to take over.

[walldude]

23. *sigh* Have the Dems learned nothing from Rove?

Look, this whole "Clinton was too busy with worrying about being impeached because of Lewinski" thing is NOT A BAD THING! All it means is that this is all the fault of the Republicans. They were hammering Clinton so hard because of a personal problem that it got in the way of his effectively doing his job as President. Roves tactics are all based on "take your weaknesses and present them as strengths" well if the Repukes want to claim that Lewinski was Clintons weakness, let them. That just means that the whole goddam thing is their fault...

[NoSheep]

25. I see your point. But what matters is, there are a huge number of voters

who don't see it that way. Thankfully, it was third in the ratings. Hell, a lot of people were watching football. That's a good thing.:hi:

[Sam Odom]

28. IMHO -- The worse event about the Lewinski thing

Big Dog sent out the women on his cabinet to lie for him because they trusted him

[Name removed]

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[Sam Odom]

31. No need to delete your reply

I saw it :) I'm glad you will save it.

[HuffleClaw]

29. i watched the first 20 minutes on 9/11

and that was WAY more than enough. abc has well and truly turned to the dark side. airing political propaganda as a docudrama is just plain wrong.

[NoSheep]

36. The whole issue of the film showing the CIA watching "the Tall One" (ugh)

(like they fucking didn't know who he was (ugh, ugh)) Richard Clark said that never happened. it is important to me to see that they portrayed this crap in the movie so I can tell people that RC said it didn't happen. I can stomach this shit. I have to. I understand why others don't want to watch it. But I have to know so I can respond. ABC will get another letter from me. And I think it matters. If we all do it, and we boycott their crap, it will matter.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

34. That's the LEAST of what they're doing. They're totally making up shit.

n/t

[NoSheep]

40. After seeing this so far, what they've made up is definitly worse. n/t

[citizen snips]

35. fuck that

I did not even watch that bullshit.

[NoSheep]

39. Congratulations. Now you won't be able to dispute one damn thing any

right wing fuck says about it without sounding like you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Give us a hand, or maybe I could help YOU out? Which way did you come in?

[citizen snips]

41. what is your problem?

[NoSheep]

42. Did you read the rest of this thread? Therein lies your answer.

I think a better question is to ask you what YOUR problem is? Mine is explained very clearly here. Read. Or do you treat reading this thread the same way you inform yourself about the events around you...as in a certain propaganda act that is being staged at a crucial time? Remember? There are elections in several states tomorrow. Delaware, DC, Maryland, New Hampshire, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont, Wisconsin. We have an uninformed at best, brainwashed at worst ELECTORATE! In addition to illegal polling practices. Propaganda matters. I'd like to be able to speak intelligently about these issues to people who don't get it yet. It is important to be informed. That's what I think this board is all about. You responded in a very nasty way to the OP. My OP. THAT is my NEW problem.

NOW. Are you part of the PROBLEM? OR are you part of the solution?

[citizen snips]

43. I am well informed

I am just angry at ABC. don't go around and start assuming things about people who you don't know much about.

[NoSheep]

45. I could say the same. You must assume saying "FUCK THAT" would

just be okay. Why not say something that bears a little resemblance to communication? That's the way you'll get a respectful answer from me. You attacked my post. What do you want me to do? DID you really read everything I wrote here before you commented? And if you did, could you tell me why you think "FUCK THAT" is an intelligent response?

[citizen snips]

49. when I said fuck that

I was talking about ABC

[NoSheep]

50. Point taken. My apologies for misunderstanding your intent.

[citizen snips]

52. my mistake for not being clear enough

my message was a cryptic response to this thread.

[NoSheep]

54. Peace fellow triangulan...

I'm only 25 ass-kickin miles away from you!

:evilgrin:

[citizen snips]

59. peace

to all NC DU triangulans

:grouphug:

[NoSheep]

60. .

:grouphug: It has ben a loooooong day.

[bridgit]

37. why the hell didn't they mention Mellon Scaife's Arkansas Project...

and how that ignoble effort led to the ham-stringing of an american presidency, hm...

[bobbieinok]

44. b/c repubs did it and it was therefore 'divinely inspired'

you do realize that god chose W to be resident????

I had students who claimed god reached into the FL ballot boxes to make sure W was selected. They stared at me in stunned incomprehension when I said my God does NOT steal elections.

[NoSheep]

47. Amen. And amen.

:freak:

[bridgit]

57. astounding...

:wtf:

[and-justice-for-all]

46. I wll gladly take a Prez who gets a BJ....

..over a corperate, murderous, warmongering, right-wing, neocon, theocratic oil baron.

[NoSheep]

48. my sentiments exactly.

[laylah]

51. ..

have a :hug: and call me in the morning. Of COURSE the unpatriotic, haters of America and her Constitution are going to bring up "the blue dress". They suck, don't they. I am looking forward to real programming once President Clinton, Mr. Burger, and Ms. Albright own them...aren't you :grouphug:

Jenn

[NoSheep]

56. Yes. I am.

Thank you laylah. :hug: :grouphug:

[laylah]

58. ..

:hug: back at you

jenn

edited to add: My pleasure, "sister o' mine"