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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 12:41 PM
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Kidnapping your children
and using them to 'get you to talk'.

This guy Khalid Sheik Mohammed's two young children, (I believe they were both under 10) were 'detained' by the US and used to make him talk.

Is that ok?

The information that * said they got from doing shit like this was:



"The bill would also provide clear rules for our personnel involved in detaining and questioning captured terrorists.

The information that the Central Intelligence Agency has obtained by questioning men like Khalid Sheik Mohammed has provided valuable information and has helped disrupt terrorist plots, including strikes within the United States.

For example, Khalid Sheik Mohammed described the design of plane attacks on building inside the U.S. and how operatives were directed to carry them out. That is valuable information for those of us who have the responsibility to protect the American people.

He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping.

He gave us information that helped uncover al-Qaida cells' efforts to obtain biological weapons.

We've also learned information from the CIA program that has helped stop other plots, including attacks on the U.S. Marine base in East Africa, our American consulate in Pakistan, or Britain's Heathrow Airport.

This program has been one of the most vital tools in our efforts to protect this country. It's been invaluable to our country, and it's invaluable to our allies.

Were it not for this program, our intelligence community believes that al-Qaida and its allies would have succeeded in launching another attack against the American homeland.

There's a debate about the specific provisions in my bill, and we'll work with Congress to continue to try to find common ground.

I have one test for this legislation. I'm going to ask one question, as this legislation proceeds, and it's this: The intelligence community must be able to tell me that the bill Congress sends to my desk will allow this vital program to continue. That's what I'm going to ask."

Given what I've come to know of the 'government'- I MYSELF wouldn't discount some terrible things may very well have befallen this mans children. What exactly was THEIR sin??? being born to him for a father?

THIS outrages me.

And what great information did they glean???? That airplanes would hit buildings- that people would be trapped with no escape....
No Duh.

We all learned that way back in 2001.


I will post a link to the info on the capture and detention of the children if anyone is really interested.


What about this tactic though?? Do the ends justify the means?

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 12:44 PM
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1. What's good for the goose...
Anything "we" approve as far as disgusting, inhumane, subhuman torture, we invite others to do to us and ours.

This whole mess stinks to high heaven.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 12:49 PM
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3. it's the "do as I SAY not as I do mentality" and
the only other word for that is hypocritical.-

How many Americans would tolerate half the crap 'we' do to others in the name of 'freedom, democracy, safety, and JUSTICE"?

The boil is ready to burst.
We need to squeeze hard, or lance it.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 01:18 PM
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14. I'm ready!
Edited on Fri Sep-15-06 01:19 PM by Juniperx
The pot is on to boil...



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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 12:47 PM
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2. Sounds like something a third world dictator would do. eom
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 12:51 PM
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6. As opposed to
a "pretend" leader of the free world dictator? :sarcasm:
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 12:51 PM
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7. maybe that is exactly
what fuels *'s obsessional hatred against his enemies. ENVY-??? They have the power he craves?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 12:50 PM
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4. Last I heard, taking hostages was bad.
In fact, I remember some people getting upset at Iranians for doing it awhile back.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 01:04 PM
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12. Jessica Lynch- and all her 'fellow crew'- even Lori P was
treated by the medical staff as best they could. And they were released.

We are such hypocrites.

"The moral high ground is not found by standing on the bodies of others"

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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 02:14 PM
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15. And, they werent even children. nt
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 12:50 PM
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5. well, by God, if we want to stop the doing of evil in this world,
you know, that all the evil-doers do, we can't be afraid to torture a few children, rape a few women and girls, and unleash a death squad or two in order to keep all the proles in line. Otherwise, there might be some evil done, right? Don't you see the logic here?
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 12:55 PM
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9. I think you 'misoverestimate' me- that logic
does not compute.

But hey, I didn't graduate from Yale. I didn't graduate from any college. What do I know??

:smoke:
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 12:54 PM
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8. Bush is just destroying our country in a different way.
By reducing us to barbarism, how does the end result differ from bombing by a terrorist? The barbarism is much more widespread, more pernicious. It's seen as a virtue by many Republicans.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 01:01 PM
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10. 'bringing Justice'.... to them.
that is how its put. Terrorism cloaked in "God, Country, Freedom and a Flag".
But fools are always found out eventually.

As Solly Mack posted earlier the reminder from MLKjr- EVERYTHING Hitler did was 'LEGAL'.

THAT is some really frightening truth.

* wants to CHA from legislation, but the courts aren't the only ones that demand 'justice' be done.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 01:03 PM
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11. They're working hard to rebuild the Hitler legacy.
I'm just not sure people are going to buy into it completely. It's our only hope, really.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 01:08 PM
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13. the 'average' American has to
start 'hurting'- Sadly, the gas prices got people in their pocketbooks, and * really started to decline. "Obla dee, obla dah life goes on, la la how the life goes on".

I, like you, am desperately hoping the people will face the ugly truth.-

HOPE- and speak the truth, no matter how ugly or unwanted it may be-

peace-
blu
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