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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 12:39 AM
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TIME: Under deal, Bush could interpret Geneva Conv. through exec. order
Coming Together on Torture
Bush and the renegade GOP senators finally agree on a bill to define how terror suspects should be treated. And everyone is claiming victory
By ADAM ZAGORIN

....The White House, for its part, also quickly labeled the compromise a success. It pointed to areas of broad discretion for President Bush in implementing the legislation, and, most important, saying that the deal would allow a key CIA interrogation program for suspected terrorists to go forward.

In a conference call with reporters soon after the compromise was reached, Bush's National Security Advisor, Stephen Hadley, hailed the deal as an example of "all Republicans coming together" to promote the national interest—a clear indication of the political pressure the White House and GOP senators were under to reach agreement, and prevent a widening rift over the issue inside the party.

Hadley said the legislation will enumerate "grave breaches" of the Geneva Conventions which, if committed, could expose US officials to criminal prosecution. The list includes acts such as rape, murder and intentional infliction of bodily harm. For less-than-grave breaches, however, President Bush would be given authority to interpret the Geneva Convention provisions through an executive order. Defendants and their lawyers will not be given access to classified material in military tribunals, and prosecutors will enjoy wide latitude, according to Hadley, in the use of hearsay evidence, with burden on the accused to show that such evidence is either unreliable on irrelevant before it could be excluded.

For all the talk of a grand compromise, the deal threatens continued limbo to the vast majority of roughly 450 prisoners currently at Guantanamo. Many of them have "habeas corpus" cases pending before US federal courts—cases filed after a 2004 Supreme Court decision that allowed them to bring cases forcing the US government to either criminally charge or release them....

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"Eliminating habeas will effectively sanction precisely the coercive interrogations that Graham, Warner, and McCain have tried to oppose by allowing people to be detained indefinitely based on evidence elicited by torture," argues Jonathan Hafetz of the Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law, who represents Guantanmo prisoners. He points, for example, to Mohammad al-Qahtani, the so-called 20th hijacker, who was repeatedly abused during his interrogation at Guantanamo, and who has since implicated some 30 other fellow prisoners who are still being held without trial.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1537951,00.html?cnn=yes
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 12:42 AM
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1. i just figured he'd use one of his little signing statements n/t
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 12:43 AM
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2. Bush, the torturer who shamed America
as allowed by the Republicans. Who cares if the accused never harmed us? They don't.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 02:08 AM
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3. "burden on the accused to show that...
...evidence is either unreliable on irrelevant before it could be excluded."

so, now its 'guilty until proven innocent'?

'compromise' my foot. what a horror. what fools they are, these new 'rules' ARE going to end up being used against americans and far sooner than one might expect. this is 'first they came for the...' in glowing neon.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 02:51 AM
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4. just because these Repug senators and Bush have agreed doesn't mean . . .
that this has to be enacted . . . if there was ever a time for a Democratic filibuster -- accompanied by a huge public education campaign -- this is it . . . if they don't fight torture, for Christ sake, what the hell use are they? . . .
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 04:00 AM
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5. WHO are the TERRORISTS NOW?
WE ARE, thanks to Rubber Stamping Republicans and Law Rebuking Corporatist THIEVES like Bush, Cheney, Gonzales, Rumsfeld, the whole Bunch.

THEY HAVE NO SHAME, and are not above the Terrorists in any way or fashion.

WE ARE THE TERRORISTS NOW, and the whole world Knows it.

I hope that Bush and company don't mind if these techniques were to be used on them to get the information needed at a Hague Trial since they've AGREED TO IT.

This makes the ENTIRE REPUBLICAN Party Accomplices to Terroristic campaigns against the entire world.

VOTE ALL DEMOCRAT, the Republicans Have NO SHAME, and are the Party of DEATH, DESTRUCTION and TORTURE.

I feel that shame, and I want it stopped.

THIS is where America USED TO BE.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 05:39 AM
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6. "all Republicans coming together"
Yeah, it's one RWing circle jerk.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 10:40 AM
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7. a.m. kick
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