DU'ers...goodgirl and I desperately need your help. Please Read

[goodboy]

My wife had to work late on New Year's Eve. She called me at 1100pm to say she was on her way home. She knocked on the door around 1115pm and I remember opening the door....

The next thing I know, I'm sitting on the sofa, and my wife is in hysterics, sobbing uncontrollably. "What the fuck is going on?!" I screamed.

"You don't remember?" she said through tears.

"No!"

"You had a seizure"

And that's how I found out that I had epilepsy when I had a tonic-clonic (grand mal) seizure in front of my wife. She called the EMT's and I rang in the New Year with an o2 mask on my face and a blood pressure cuff on my arm.

The medicine I take makes me extremely tired and unable to think clearly and concentrate. I can hardly get up in the morning. I asked the owners at my work to change my schedule so that I only worked in the afternoon/evening, and instead they mocked my condition, & made the schedule worse for me by giving me two 10-8 days in a row, which eliminated my short (10-3) day.

Last Friday I had an appointment to see my dentist about getting my wisdom teeth out. Dr. C is a customer of mine, and since I gave him a good deal he was going to take care of the cost of the surgery for me.

On my way out there I started to feel weird, so I pulled over..it was 130pm. When I came to, it was 250pm. I don't remember anything.
I found a little motel for 25.00 (one of those Walker Inn's) and fell asleep until well past 11pm.

The next morning I was on time to work. The owner, who is not typically in on Sat. came over to my desk and I gave him my x-rays, motel receipt, doctor's note, told him I was sorry I didn't call, but I couldn't.

He told me "your services are no longer required here"

5 years.
1.5 m in sales each year
80% closing ratio

They even reversed the direct deposit of my paycheck the day before, causing us to incur over 600.00 in overdraft fees in one shot.

We're in serious financial jeopardy right now. We're on the verge of losing everything. All expenses totaled come out to around $6000.00, which would leave us just enough to pay for daily living expenses until the end of the month. I was supposed to pay our rent and sign a new lease today, but I was able to get one more day out of them....the others will not wait. I've got 24 hours at the most.

We only have two options:

1. Secure a personal loan. (don't know anyone capable, but I would pay it back at 9.99%)

2. Ask for help from our friends online. (more possible, but would take time...and we don't have that luxury)

Also, since our checking acct is -2500.00, any donations would have to be sent via Western Union, because the funds are available immediately. All you need is my Name, City, and phone number.

So that's it.
It could be anywhere from 30-90 days before I get any benefits. Same for Worker's Comp. We're on the edge of seeing everything we have disappear. Thank you for listening.

Please, DU. Help us if you can.


PM me if you can help or if you have questions on how to help.


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[goodboy]

1. thanks for the votes for the greatest page...whomever did it (NT)

[JuniperLea]

2. Get to a lawyer.

I know they are expensive, but you need to take action now. If you have no previous issues with your employer, it sounds as if you have a case. I'm sure you can find one in your area that would give a low-cost or free consultation.

[goodboy]

3. I have consulted with a few...they wanted me to file a claim with

Ohio CIvil Rights Commission first, so they can investigate it rather than paying an attorney to do it. My former employer is not subject to the ADA because they have less than 15 employees.

[helderheid]

7. definitely do that

[Just Me]

21. DO IT ANYWAY!!!

:hug: Edited for emphasis.

Also, file for Social Security disability benefits and medicare ASAP. Did you or your employer carry any disability insurance? Find out.

Consult with more attorneys, too. There have been many common law protections that have developed over the years. Be sure to consult with those experienced in employment law. There may be state laws in place protecting disabled individuals.

I'm so sorry this is happening to you. :hug:

I encourage you to IMMEDIATELY submit applications for SSD, medicare and OCRC, and to meet with more lawyers. Make these things your "work" for the week!!!

[tsuki]

25. They will turn you down, but appeal. If you win the appeal, they must

pay you to the time of original filing. Don't let it lapse.

[Just Me]

31. That's they're SOP. The "new job" for disabled or physically-challenged,.

,...is PERSISTENCE.

I swear the process is created to beat down the down-trodden. Well, at least, it seems that way.

The other "job" is to recruit as much assistance as possible because we are, unfortunately, living in times where compassion is confused with anger, fear & greed. Nevertheless, there are PUH-LENTY of compassion-in-action people in this world. Gotta' embrace 'em and support 'em.

[mom cat]

27. What about workman's comp for the shortterm?

[goodboy]

42. I applied...could still take a couple of weeks up to a month...we need

help now.

[radwriter0555]

201. Why would you get worker's comp? You weren't injured on the job. WC

is only for work place related injuries and illness. I hope you've not pinned any hopes on this.

What you need to apply for is disability/ssi and unemployment. And while you're at it, hire a lawyer to sue for wrongful termination.

[liberalhistorian]

43. GB, check with

a local legal aid agency, they have attorneys and paralegals who are experts at this kind of thing and it sounds like you would more than qualify for their services free of charge. I'm a paralegal for a legal aid agency, and the vast majority of legal aid attorneys and paralegals are truly caring and concerned and do their best to work QUICKLY to help desperate people. Feel free to PM me if you need more info or guidance on that.

[Jo March]

158. They will usually work fast

I was in a similar situation and I was told to contact the EEOC first and let them investigate. They moved very quickly. Their findings only backed up my case and going to them insured that I didn't waste money on a lawyer if I didn't really have a case.

[AtomicKitten]

16. you MUST get an attorney

immediately. You can shop around until you find one who will take your case on contingency.

HOWEVER, keep in mind the system is rigged and it could be your employer doesn't require a good reason for fire you and you may thus be only eligible for unemployment.

[northzax]

20. ditto-

even if they could fire you on the spot, I've never seen an employer who pays you for work in advance, so they owed you the previous paycheck.

Check the dates of your last paycheck, it should say what dates it was for, if it was for work already performed, then they need to pay you for the time you worked.

[Imagevision]

92. Seriously google SSDI Lawyers - they don't win unless you do

SSDI will at least provide some casy and a good chance for medicare benefits , your lawyer/representative should be able to get a statement from your last employer as to the reason he dismissed you.

Your former employer was savy in knowing that you could easily be resonsible for his insurance rates going up.

If you can't safely work, it sounds like your case is somewhat unpredictable, it worked for a friend but he had to file twice because he didn't use someone like "Disability of America" google it, they'll talk to you toll free, nothing to lose.
good luck

[TaleWgnDg]

112. As a lawyer myself I can only say . . .

Retain an attorney and do not request legal advice on a damn bulletin board or in any other manner on the internet! Geezuz. Would you ask folks for medical advice on the internet? Of course not, instead, you'd ask your own M.D.

Again, get an attorney and present your facts and circumstances and don't go to the internet to "second guess" him/her!!

BTW, how the hell do any of us know that you are who you are and have the problems that you have? We don't. So don't ask us here in DU for legal help, medical help, or solicit for money regarding your problems, real or otherwise.
.

[Jo March]

162. That's a bit harsh, TaleWgnDg

DUers are known for their big hearts. DU raised $50,000 for Andy Stephenson and he was able to get cancer surgery.

Goodboy has been around a long time. Many DUers know him personally. He is sending out an SOS to his online friends. I see nothing wrong with that.

If you don't want to give, then do not give. Skinner has given permission for goodboy to post this message. If Skinner is okay with it, then he has every right to ask us "here in DU" for help.

[bobalu]

218. Amen to you, Arnheim.

[Jo March]

222. Welcome to DU, bobalu!

HOpe you stick around awhile! :hi:

[GrumpyGreg]

250. I agree and I'm surprised that this is allowed. n/t

[The Backlash Cometh]

156. Depending on the job requirements, he might have a disability case.

If they can give him reasonable time to get medical assistance, then provide accomodations for him, he can still get his job back. But a lawyer can tell him for certain.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

4. Please read, kicked and recommended.... 4

More at link -----> http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-142.shtml

Epilepsy
Updated: 05/21/2004

Diagnosis
Differential Diagnosis
Interaction of the Nervous System
Standard Allopathic Treatment
Seizure Triggers
Seizure Interruption
Alternative Treatment
Special Considerations
Outcome
Summary
Epilepsy has been known since Babylonian times (2100–689 B.C.). It was described by Hippocrates, who correctly identified the brain as the organ responsible for the phenomenon of epilepsy (Menkes 1990). The term epilepsy is derived from the Greek word epilepsia, meaning “to seize.” Physicians sometimes use the Latin word ictus when referring to a seizure or ictal to describe the time period when a seizure occurs (Epilepsy Foundation 2003a).

The Epilepsy Foundation of America (2003a) describes epilepsy as a neurological condition that causes a person to be susceptible to having seizures. A seizure occurs during sudden, brief electrical changes or disturbances in the brain. The electrical disturbances (misfiring or when brain cells are not working properly) alter a person's consciousness, movements, or actions for a period of time. Seizures vary from a very brief sensory disruption, to a short period of staring or unconsciousness, or to a convulsion. People of all races and from all nations are affected by seizures. But experiencing a seizure(s) does not always indicate epilepsy. Young children can have seizures caused by a high fever (a febrile convulsion). Other seizures are caused by metabolic or chemical imbalances, alcohol or drug abuse, alcohol or drug withdrawal, cardiac disease, infectious disease, etc.

There is a significant difference between a seizure and “passing out” (known as syncope). Syncope involves losing consciousness, but for non-epileptic reasons, such as a cardiac condition that reduces blood flow to the brain or hypoglycemia which causes a sudden drop in blood sugar. A single seizure does not mean an individual has epilepsy (NDCCD 2002). Physical changes caused by seizure activity are termed epilepsy when referring to a chronic condition that is characterized by recurrent seizures (Benbadis et al. 2001). Therefore, epilepsy represents a condition wherein multiple abnormal states result in a specific type of seizure activity as a common end point manifestation (Menkes 1990).

[amerikat]

5. Can you borrow from your 401K account?

I think you can borrow a percentage of it for a year without penalty. It might hold you over until you get back on your feet.

[goodboy]

8. It's gone. Spent on the visits to painnet, which is not in network with A

Anthem

256.00 initial visit
75.00 after that...3 times a week

[JuniperLea]

11. Yes. There is a hardship clause...

You should be able to access funds in 48 hours or less. This is Federal law.

[goodboy]

15. it's gone.

[jody]

6. You need to make certain you have health insurance. n/t

[goodboy]

9. It's paid until the end of the month, and I can file for a 30 day

extension under Ohio law. As long as I pay the premium: 562.00 for me and goodgirl

which I can't do.

[jody]

33. Then you need to check on medicaid immediately. Your condition

could quickly use up any financial reserves you have.

Ohio's Medicaid Program

[OzarkDem]

37. He may not be eligible

Ohio has cut its Medicaid eligibility drastically.

Unless you are deemed disabled or have an income under the poverty level and have minor children living at home, there's nothing.

The upside is, once your condition is fully diagnosed and stabilized with medicine, you'll gradually feel better and become accustomed to the medication.

My hubby had his first grand mal seizure about 25 years ago when he was in his early 20's. There were some tests at first, then he had to try some different medications before he found the one that worked best for him without making him feel too tired or out of it.


You also can't drive for a while. In Ohio, the law used to be that anyone diagnosed with epilepsy couldn't drive for a year. I'm not sure what it is now. Hubby got by with me driving and taking the bus to work.

He had some career setbacks as a result, but recovered. He's now a computer consultant making good money. The diagnosis caused him to change careers and he's glad he did.

You'll get through this. Its traumatic and very upsetting at first. The first year after is a long period of adjustment and regaining your security and confidence.

Hang in there it will improve.

[mtnester]

10. They terminated you that quick after you found out you had epilepsy and

told them? OK central Ohio lawyers (any for that matter).

Sounds to me you have legal action. SERIOUS legal action.

The timing is too convenient...would a DU lawyer please get with Goodboy, most likely via PM, and help him out as well?

Jesus what a shitty company.

Deliberately changing your hours, etc. And, if you were on time to work, no excuse there.

Get your timeline and paperwork ducks in a row.

[helderheid]

13. AGREE!

[goodboy]

14. if the ADA applied to them I would have a serious case. but it doesn't

less than 15 employees. I have to go through the Ohio Civil Rights Commission. Might take 6 months.

[mtnester]

17. Goodboy, they do not have to be ADA compliant if less than 15 employees

but they cannot fire you for your medical condition, no matter how "few" employees they have...this is not an ADA issue.

[goodboy]

18. I was employed at-will...so they don't need a reason (nt)

[mtnester]

19. That may be true, however, the TIMING makes all the difference.

And can you PM me the piece of shit company in Ohio that did this to you? Fellow central Ohioan here (east side...Picktown). Also let me know what you did for a living (PM ok if you want), maybe some of us have contacts that can help you out?

[lonestarnot]

48. Yes but they can't fire you for an unlawful reason and discrimination is

unlawful last time I checked and this is not legal advise because I'm not a lawyer, but sound like they have discriminated. You could also have a claim for age if you are over 40, but definitely file fed disability discrimination claim with EEOC. But that doesn't help you in the mean time. Have you contacted the epilepsy organizations in your area to see if they have any funds for exigent circumstances? Also see if there is a Save the Family in your area.

[goodboy]

61. they also created a hostile work environment, and I was subject to

serious verbal, and psychological abuse

[lonestarnot]

69. need witnesses .... do you have any?

[goodboy]

73. yep...(nt)

[lonestarnot]

100. good time to start taking names and kicking ass!

[goodboy]

62. they also created a hostile work environment, and I was subject to

serious verbal, and psychological abuse

[ripple]

181. "At-will" means nothing

...in most states. Even companies who label themselves as "at-will" employers must provide legal grounds for termination. Often, companies use the "at-will" terminology simply to discourage being challenged when they terminate someone.

[Chi-Town Exile]

26. ADA doesn't matter in this case, Goodboy ...

They FIRED you AFTER you notified them that you have Epilepsy ... THEY CANNOT DO THAT.

My sister-in-law's company fired her WHILE she was home recuperating from knee replacement surgery. They tried to block her unemployment and screw up her insurance. She is in the process of suing them as we cyberspeak. She has a good case.

Her company had under 15 employees also, but it doesn't matter, a person CANNOT be fired for being sick. They can make any excuses they want, but they fired you because of your physical condition. Please Please Please get an employment attorney. It's unfortunate, if you lived in Illinois I could recommend one, unfortunately, I do not know any employment lawyers in Ohio.

[OzarkDem]

38. Medical privacy laws protect you

Its best to never tell any employer or potential employer about your medical condition. They don't need to know and you're not required to tell them.

[Jokinomx]

213. Your forgetting one thing.....

If your company is not a Union shop... you have ZERO rights. As I was told ...

Right to Hire... Right to Fire....

They need no reason. I was terminated because I accumulated 3 points in a 30 day period because of a funeral and pneumonia.

[wellstone dem]

12. I'll be thinking of you

be sure to follow up with civil rights commission. Do not wait as there are usually time deadlines.

And I just have to ask how confident you are in this diagnosis. I ask only because I have a very good friend who had a sudden seizure out of the blue, it turned out he had a brain tumor. Please double check, if you haven't already.

[LiberalUprising]

22. Kick for help

[Angry Girl]

23. KnR. Good luck GB

Sorry I can't do more than this at this time.

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

28. Sorry to hear about that. Definitely consult w/ a lawyer (legal aid?).

Firing someone because they're sick...man that pisses me off!? Our office manager was fired from her last job when she was in the hospital (had been in ICU). What the fuck is wrong w/ people?!

[WritingIsMyReligion]

24. Oh fuck, goodboy.

There's got to be something illegal going on there with that shit-job of a company you worked for....

:grr::grr:

But damn, man, I am SO fucking sorry about all of this. I know DUers will come to the rescue.

:hug::hug:

WIMR

[Chi-Town Exile]

29. You are entitled to COBRA coverage on your Health insurance, I believe.

COBRA coverage extends beyond 30 Days. They charge ridiculous prices but you need your health insurance!

God Bless, I hope everything works out for you.

[goodboy]

45. not enough employees...all I can do is file an extension, but I cannor

pay the premium

[SammyWinstonJack]

30. .

:kick:

[dsc]

32. They owe you the paycheck and probably the overdraft fees

unless they paid in advance which virtually no company does. That should only take the threat of a lawyer to get accomplished since they could end up owing treble damages for that behavior.

[mom cat]

34. Also..see if you have a way of getting on disability...SSDI

Apply now. It can take up to 5 months from the day you apply. If your condition gets regulated in that time and you can work, then you can drop the claim, but apply now, just in case. Just call Social Security at 1-800-772-1213 and tell them you want to start a disability claim. Your application is dated from that call, so the sooner that you make it, the better. Please do not delay. Also, ask your doctor for support. It sounds like you cannot work now and would qualify.
I hope that your condition gets regulated and that you find medication that does not knock you out. But...don't count on it. File now.


Updated because I can't spell.

[mtnester]

35. Kick cause this needs to stay at the top of the page.

[Beaverhausen]

36. Kick to the top

Lots of good advice here. Hope things work out. :hug:

[OzarkDem]

39. Epilepsy Foundation of Central Ohio

http://www.epilepsy-ohio.org/

They provide assistance to patients - esp. newly diagnosed.

[lonestarnot]

40. San don donia!

[preciousdove]

41. Why sign another lease?

I do not mean to be disrespectful or mean here but why would you be considering signing another lease you cannot pay for? It sounds ideal to me. Can you move in with friends or relatives until this sorts itself out?

You had to be living on the edge for a while for this to sink so fast. With two of you working why are you in such dire straights so quickly?

I have been living on between and 9,000 to 5,000 a year for four now two people with a condition I also have to pay outside of insurance since about 1990 and but would not be bankrupt in less than a month.

I do wish you well but have a hard time comprehending.

[goodboy]

44. we would get our March rent free, if we paid the two months we owe

it 's the best thing.

I've been in pain management at PainNet, which is not in network with my insurance, so I have to pay 75.00 per visit 3x perweek.

[redwitch]

52. Lots of people would be in dire straits quickly in this situation

Lots of people live paycheck to paycheck because the paychecks are too small..
We don't make lots and are paying our own health insurance and son's college tuition.
If I lost my job we would be up the creek in fairly short order- and we HAVE a bit of savings.
I didn't entirely comprehend your next to last sentence, but good for you if you are in
good financial shape in spite of making so little.

Edited so it makes sense. sorry!

[goodboy]

If anyone is able to help, Western Union is only open until 10PM est

[goodboy]

46. If anyone is able to help, Western Union is only open until 10PM est

[grasswire]

53. goodboy....

....Western Union is available for donations at all hours. You might not be able to pick the $$ up until morning if there isn't a location near you. But many grocery stores and nearly all convenience stores handle WU.

Also, have you considered starting a Paypal account? Millions of people do business every day using Paypal. It's very simple and $$ can be transferred into your bank account or you can have them send you a money order. Untold entities on the Internet accept donations through Paypal, including DU.

[goodboy]

63. can't have donations go into my bank acct, because the first 1800.00

would go rightto the bank


western union is 1 block from my house

[grasswire]

129. my thought was....

...that a lot of people don't use credit cards these days but are used to using Paypal.

[goodboy]

98. I started this Amazon.com Honor System Account. Here's the URL

http://www.amazon.com/paypage/P2Y8D6BFOEFP5D

[Catchawave]

47. Ohio Legal Services Search

Looks like you can find free legal assistance here? Good Luck, Take Care :hug:

http://www.ohiolegalservices.org/OSLSA/PublicWeb

[goodboy]

60. thanks. I'm on it first thing

[helderheid]

49. I just PM'd you - please check it!

[goodboy]

64. ok

[Glimmer of Hope]

50. I think that Salvation Army will help you.

I have heard that they will provide financial assistance for situations just like yours. I wish you all the best and hope things work out.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

51. Get an Attorney.

He cannot fire you because of your condition. The ADA protects people against shit like that. The owners have secured a special place in hell for themselves. Contact the ADA and tell them what you've told us. They will help you.
Duckie

[lfairban]

54. Can you find any other way to handle donations?

As I recall, the last time I used Western Union, the fees were kind of ridiculous.

on Edit:

PayPal sounds like a good idea:

PayPal Send Money

The problem is that the only way to get the money immediately is to have it transfered to a bank account. If you cannot use your own, do you have a friend who could help. Otherwise you will need to wait for PayPal to send you a check.

[helderheid]

57. yes, they want to charge me as much as I am able to donate in fees alone

Any chance you could set up a pay pal account?

[goodboy]

96. Here's my Amazon.com Honor System Acct. No fees.

http://www.amazon.com/paypage/P2Y8D6BFOEFP5D

[helderheid]

177. Done - Sorry I couldn't give more - I have some medical bills I'm dealing

with!

[goodboy]

97. Here's my Amazon.com Honor System Acct. No fees.

http://www.amazon.com/paypage/P2Y8D6BFOEFP5D

[Generic Other]

217. Thanks. That was fast and easy!

Take care friend.

[Lars39]

55. You might qualify for disability.

Especially if your seizures aren't controlled yet. I'm so sorry. :hug:
One of my BIL was diagnosed with epilepsy at age 18.

[Iowa]

56. Kicked...

Goodboy, when it comes right down to it, employees have very little in the way of rights. As I understand the system here, you either show up for work, use sick or vacation time, apply for disability (if you have it), or you're screwed. Epilepsy, if that's what this is, can usually be controlled, but it takes a skilled physician, trial and error, and time - so SSDI may be denied all the way through the appeal process, depending on the circumstances. I wouldn't bank on SSDI if I were you. I'd apply, and I'd appeal every step of the way, but don't count on it. Workers Comp is for job related injuries.

As one who has some experience with work related issues surrounding disability, I don't see too many good options for you, goodboy, beyond reaching out for help as you are doing. Although I would add one thing to the list of things people recommended: contact your Vocational Rehabilitation office and apply for services. A VR counselor will likely know what other services are available in the area to help meet your immediate needs - and there may not be too much - republicans have gutted many good programs. But there will likely be some things that will help get you through. I know that surviving day to day is uppermost in your mind, as it would be in mine, but getting back to work is almost always the very best solution - and VR exists to help you do that.

So I'd be focusing my energies three things: 1) dealing with the epilepsy (and making sure that's what it is), 2) making a plan to survive for the next few months, 3) getting back to work - whether that means retraining or whatever. All the rest is fine, but IMHO, it should be secondary to these three. If an attorney really thinks he can get a few thousand bucks for you, I'd certainly proceed, but I wouldn't count on it, and I wouldn't waste a lot of time or money on it. Like I said, I have seen literally hundreds of people go through the type of thing you are encountering, and in all those years I can't recall even one who received much help via our legal system - with the exception of very prescribed and common issues, like SSDI/SSI or workers comp. But as far as suing your employer, certainly go for it as a matter of principle if you can, but don't bank on it, and don't let it take center stage. It's going to be peanuts compared to the value of your time spent earning.

On a positive note, in all the years I was involved in this, almost everyone made it through the ordeal completely intact. In fact, they usually end up far better off than they would have been had they remained where they were. I've seen this repeatedly. As hard as it is to imagine now, there is a very good chance that in 5 years you will look back on this as a positive turning point in your life.

[helderheid]

58. kick and get paypal

[question everything]

89. I hate paypal. Donated to Andy and to DU via Amazon.com

Does anyone know how to set an Amazon account?

[Laurab]

59. Please try opening a Paypal Account

Even I (and I'm almost completely broke), could donate a little. Western Union will eat up everything in fees. A lot of little donations could add up fast.

I don't know you, but I remember how kind you were to Andy (I didn't know him, either), but I FELT like I knew him, and I'd like to help at least a little bit if I could...

[goodboy]

68. I'd do it in a second if my acct. wasn't overdrawn...if you know of any

other way, please tell me..and thank you for caring.

I only knew andy for 6 months, and I felt like I knew him for a lifetime.

It was an honor and a gift to have him as a friend.

[mopinko]

75. paypal is not connected to your bank account.

you can draw automatically, but deposited money sits in the paypal account.

[goodboy]

77. how do I get it out? which type of acct. should I get, what is their cut

Western Union is 18.00 for 100.00

[mopinko]

78. you CAN transfer it to your bank account.

although they are pokey with that. takes a couple of days. but you can get a debit/atm card attached to it. that will take a little while to process, but then you can just use it. their cut is only about $4/100.

[goodboy]

82. I've got less than 24 hours. (nt)

[ohio_liberal]

149. That takes 60 days

You've gotta have a verified and confirmed account (with a credit card and a bank account attached to it) open 60 days to get the Paypal debit card.

[ohio_liberal]

153. Paypal's cut is 2.9% + .30 per transaction

n/t

[tblue37]

86. I don't have a car, and I don't have time to walk sveral blocks to the

store to send $ by Western Union. But if I could donate online, I would. Try to set up a Paypal account.

[goodboy]

95. Here's my Amazon Honor System Acct.

thank you


http://www.amazon.com/paypage/P2Y8D6BFOEFP5D

[OzarkDem]

155. Done, goodboy

Karma coming back to you from all the help you gave Andy in his time of need.

Now get in touch with the Epilepsy Foundation chapter in your area. They can give you a lot of good advice and referrals and may also be able to help you with some emergency financial assistance.

Do not let this illness take over your life. If you read my earlier post, my husband has been living with this condition for over 25 years. The first couple of years were hard for him, but he's done very well since then.

There are a lot of good meds out there, some new ones, so try different ones til you find the one that's right for you. My husband takes valproic acid.

You also need to stop driving until your condition is stabilized. Find someone to drive you or take the bus.

Good luck you are in our prayers.

:hug:

[rumpel]

65. I wish I could help, but have financial problems myself. If you still have

relatively good credit there may be some lenders....
I also saw cash advances for lawsuits etc. you may want to ask your attorney on this, though.

[goodboy]

66. iI can't use PayPal because of the negative balance in my checking acct

the first 1800.00 would go right to the bank


any other ideas?

[Lars39]

67. Is there a DUer you trust that lives near you that would be willing

to handle the details of a paypal account?

[goodboy]

70. good idea...ANY OHIO DU'ers AROUND???

[ohio_liberal]

I WILL!

I have an open, active, verified Paypal account in good standing. I'm in eastern Ohio and I would be willing to drive, overnight it, whatever.

[ohio_liberal]

151. Posted in the wrong place

Whoopsie :blush:

[Melissa G]

71. kickin for Ohio DUers! n/t

[MelissaB]

72. Helloooo Ohioooo

Anybody there? I found this thread too late for Western Union, and am waiting (not so patiently) for somebody in Ohio to help.

:kick:

I'll have to check back in the morning.

[Melissa G]

76. Wake up Ohio!!! I'll check back in the morning also!

We need a pay pal account!!! Someone make some phone calls and wake us up an Ohio body with a good bank account!

[tinfoilinfor2005]

74. Are you near a bordering state?

Don't seem to have many Ohio DUers on tonight. How about a relative or friend?

:kick:

[lavenderdiva]

79. Goodboy, I have posted a link to this thread in the Ohio forum

and I see that many are still in there posting. I have linked this thread over there, and I am hoping you get someone to help with your deposit situation. I am praying for you and goodgirl.

on edit: I forgot to ask you if you have a church you can turn to. I know our church has an emergency fund set up for circumstances just like yours. They are more than willing to help, and have it there to help you. Even if you don't belong to a church, there are many, many out there who, knowing your situation, would gladly help you. I don't know you, and certainly don't want to offend you by my suggestion, but I am only trying to think of ways to get monies you need so desperately to you.

[goodboy]

80. thank you. I'll go visit that thread...(Int

[lavenderdiva]

81. I'm sorry, goodboy, here's the link to that thread:

link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=172x11268

please also check my edit on my original post... it may help a little bit.

[buff2]

83. If everyone in DU just donated a dollar........

That would help you out a lot....and it wouldn't be that hard on us to donate. My financial situation sucks anymore....since the idiot stole the WH. I used to be able to help people a lot,but thanks to the moron I have a hard time keeping up with my own bills. I pm'd you. I am so sorry about what has happened to you. I wish you the best. Buff2

[mopinko]

84. at the risk of being an ass, some of these statements do not

add up.
you cannot use 401k funds to pay medical expenses, except to forestall a bankruptcy.
and you cannot undo a direct deposit at the drop of a hat.
can't say as i understand how missing a $2500 paycheck puts you $6000 in a hole, either.
been down this road quite a few times in my days on the internets.

[goodboy]

87. I had the American Funds, and I did take them out with a 10% penalty

my work DID in fact, withdraw my payroll through ADP

and the paycheck is only part of it...I've got 4 500.00 payroll cash advances in default as wll.

[MiniMe]

88. Actually, the issuer CAN reverse a direct deposit

They can't take out more than deposited, but they can reverse the deposit. I have seen it used with paycheck errors, but the correct amount was deposited at the same time. Reversing a deposit for time worked because he got laid off can be done, but in my opinion, it is highly unethical.

I'm not disputing the rest of what you said, I haven't formed an opinion. But I wanted to let you know that a direct deposit can be reversed.

[helderheid]

90. good info!

[Maru Kitteh]

91. My hubby's employer once sent his DD twice but corrected that

error RIGHT AWAY. Yes, they can be reversed at the drop of a hat. You are correct.

[tavalon]

116. We're talking Goodboy here

He's not a scam artist.

I can understand your questioning and I am concerned that he is not thinking straight because he is under a huge strain but he's not scamming us. It's goodboy. I know him. A number of people here know him. He's not a scam artist. Did I mention he's not a scam artist? :)

[lavenderdiva]

85. goodboy, I've also started another thread for you in the Lounge...

they are up all night in there, and there will be more eyes to see your posts...

Lounge link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x4639216

[goodboy]

93. I SET UP AN AMAZON HONOR SYSTEM ACCOUNT!!! HERE'S THE URL:

http://www.amazon.com/paypage/P2Y8D6BFOEFP5D


THANK YOU AGAIN!!!

[Stand and Fight]

94. I know it's not much, but...

I made a small donation to you via the Amazon account. I'll PM you...

[Mojorabbit]

233. I sent a small donation thru amazon too. good luck n/t

[Melissa G]

243. Sent $50 via Amazon ...I'm glad I had not sent my weekly tithe out

yet before i saw this. Happy that it is going to you goodboy. Will keep you in my prayers.
Love and light,
Melissa G

[Liberty Belle]

99. Call your local newspaper. Ask them to cover your story.

Publicly shaming the employer might persuade him to give you your job back, or at least the $600.

Better yet, a sympathetic new employer unafraid to hire someone with a disability may step forward.

You might also ask a friend or relative to start a charitable account to benefit your family, and tell the reporter about the fund so others may donate.

[nofurylike]

101. kick

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[NMMNG]

105. Dear goodboy

I'm sorry to hear of your situation. I've sent a donation via the Amazon account. Hopefully you'll be getting it shortly.

If the meds you are taking are making you too drowsy you might be able to try another medication. There are many anticonvulsants on the market and it is possible you could find one that works as well (or better) than what you are on now, without the extreme drowsiness. From what you described it seems you are still having seizure activity so a med change might just fix that as well.

As others have recommended, a good disability lawyer and lots of legwork towards getting SSDI/Medicaid and other benefits are crucial right now. It's a lot of work, I know, but it will be of great assistance to you.

Best wishes :hug:.
Buffy

[goodboy]

232. thank you, buffy. and thank you for your advice...do you know if

W.C. lawyers take cases like this without any payment up front in lieu of a judgement/settlement in my favor?

[NMMNG]

257. That I don't know

It's possible that the ads in your phone book might indicate if they do, but you may just have to call around and ask different lawyers if they do. Best of luck to you. :hug:

[nofurylike]

106. kick

[radwriter0555]

107. Aren't unemployment benefits an option for the long term?

I do hope this turns out well for you... what an absolute horror.

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108. kick

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109. kick

[goodboy]

110. I've got to get some sleep. See you in the AM. thanks in advance to

anyone who helps us out while we're sleeping

[lonestarnot]

111. Poor thing! I hope you get some rest.

[nofurylike]

113. kick

[Nicole]

114. I can't help you right now

I will help spread the word though.

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[tavalon]

121. I'll help kick tonight

I'm up all night. I also contributed. I know goodboy and I consider him a good person. He needs our help. I feel bad that I won't help those I don't know and will help those I do, but given the limited resources these days..........

[nofurylike]

124. good to hear. i'll keep kicking a while more too. keep on, tavalon. eom

[tavalon]

130. I'll kick it about once an hour

I need to go to the pharmacy now, but I'll kick again when I get back.

[nofurylike]

132. it sinks fast this late. it's top on greatest too, though. peace! eom

[tavalon]

133. This late?

Really. I guess because people post new things but don't discuss old things in the middle of the night?

[nofurylike]

135. yep. exactly that. i'll kick a couple now, but must go soon. thank you! nt

[nofurylike]

138. getting booted now. time to go, for now. i hope others help, too!! please

all!

and please keep kicked!
thanks for help keeping it on top, tavalon!


peace and solidarity, GB, and all!

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[readmoreoften]

134. My heart goes out to you, goodboy!

I would send you some money, but I went on strike and now I'm locked out of work for 3 months trying to figure out how I'm going to pay my rent in Manhattan. But, please, good luck, keep us updated, and file suit against these people.

We need to get these motherfuckers out of office. I'm sick of hearing all of these terrible stories.

We need workplace protection and fucking fast.

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136. kick

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139. kick goodnight, best wishes, GB! eom

[tavalon]

140. kick

[passy]

141. kick

[RebelOne]

142. Kick for the morning crowd.

[tavalon]

143. Kicking it again

[MelissaB]

144. goodboy SET UP AN AMAZON HONOR SYSTEM ACCOUNT!!! HERE'S THE URL:

http://s1.amazon.com/paypage/P2Y8D6BFOEFP5D/102-5004939-7879318


I'm posting this here to make it easier to find. Please see post 93 above.

[Coexist]

150. Couldn't donate much - but I hope it helps.

Good luck goodboy.

[lonestarnot]

231. How long is this thing going to be accepting donations at the URL above?

I have to wait for payday.

[nicknameless]

145. Another kick to the top.

Oh goodboy, I am so sorry you're going through this. :( :hug:

[IdaBriggs]

146. Small donation via Amazon. Please contact a lawyer. Nominated. nt

[Binka]

147. Donated At Amazon Damn 50$ Limit! Check Your PM GB I Want To Help

:kick:

[tavalon]

148. Kicking this one more time before I head to bed

[ohio_liberal]

152. Goodboy, please read RE:OHIO PAYPAL ACCT

I have an open, active, verified and confirmed Paypal account in good standing and I will be willing to drive to you, or overnight $$ if necessary if you'd like to have donations sent to it. I also have a debit card attached to it but it can only draw $400/day from an ATM machine. I can spend up to $3000 (just checked and it's 3000, not 4000) with the M/C debit card in actual purchases/day.

If all else fails, I can shuffle money to another Paypal account my son has (with debit card and all) in order to double the daily limits.

[in_cog_ni_to]

171. ohio-liberal, have you received an OK on the Paypal acct. yet? I have some

$$$ in my Paypal acct. and want to transfer it to yours. Let me know if Goodboy approves and I'll PM you for the email address. :hi:

[ohio_liberal]

174. Haven't heard anything yet

I don't know if he's even been online yet this morning. Hopefully later today :hi:

[Binka]

175. Let Me Know As Well

:hi:

[goodboy]

179. go...on paypal

[goodboy]

176. Thank you...let's do it. let's work out how you could get the funds

to us ...

[ohio_liberal]

182. I'm thinking the easiest thing...

Is just to overnight the Paypal debit card to you. Oh heck, the options are limitless. I could even do an initial $400 withdrawal for fast cash and western union that to you, then send the debit card.

[ohio_liberal]

184. PM me, ok?

Depending on where you live, I can always drive as well. The beauty of where I'm living in Ohio is that I can drive pretty much anywhere in the state in 4 hrs or less.

[goodboy]

195. the western union is the best thing. I had a seizure this am, and

I must've hurt my back badly.

i need to get to the urgent care asap

[ohio_liberal]

197. OK, no problems

I have a place to send via Western Union only a few miles away from me.

edited to add a hug:

:hug:

Hang in there my friend. Help is on the way.

[mikelewis]

154. If you live in NE Ohio, I can help with an immediate job

I sell and install home/commercial security systems in NE Ohio. We are looking for sales person help. If you bust your ass like I do, you can make some pretty decent money fast. It's commission only of course which means no benefits but this might tide you over for a while until you find something you like. I talked to my boss this morning and he said he'd help if we can. PM me if you're interested and I can give you my contact info.

I can also help with the paypal account though I don't know if I can get it set up fast enough to help. I understand it takes a while to setup and verify with the bank. PM if you need help with this too.

[Coexist]

157. Bless you.

That is wonderful.

[Binka]

159. Morning Bump

:kick:

[MeDeMax]

160. overdraft fees

Branch managers at every bank I have dealt with have had the authority to waive overdraft fees, if they choose to do so.

If it were me I would grab the receipts and x-rays and any other relevant documentation and visit the bank.

I would plead my case with the manager and ask for their help.

Their own documentation should show that a payment was made and then retracted by the employer.

A $600 overdraft refund would go a long way.

I have sent in my modest help via amazon...

Have faith, things will get better.

[peekaloo]

161. Done via Amamzon. Why the $50 limit?

:kick:

[MeDeMax]

163. it is a limit set by amazon

for ALL their honor system programs.

It is described in their "Learn More" link.

[peekaloo]

169. Thanks. I'm really lazy in the a.m.

:dunce:

:kick:

[YOY]

164. I have no money, but I can offer you my best hopes and wishes

If I could I would help. but I am in no position at the moment.

Who was this horrible employer?

[npincus]

165. I wish you both

all the best... I donated (a little), I hope you can get the rest and a job with decent management quicly. Let us know how it goes!

[RandomKoolzip]

166. I sent 20 bucks to your amazon honor account. Good luck.

I wish you well, sir. :hug:

[GardeningGal]

167. Done.

The amazon account makes it much easier.

[elehhhhna]

168. In for 20, goodboy.

[LunaSea]

170. $50 bucks worth of electrons...

headed your way via Amazon.
and best wishes!

[satya]

172. I will never forget the beautiful music you contributed to Andy's memorial

service.

You and your wife both seemed to be very goodhearted people, and I'm sorry to hear you're having such a hard time.

Maybe you could sell some CDs of your music? I'd buy one. In the meantime, I've kicked another $50 into the Amazon pot.

All the best to you and goodgirl.

[klook]

173. Just invested $50 in your future via Amazon

This thread has some good ideas. I hope the job offer works out, as well as help from the epilepsy orgs. And talking with the bank mgr. to get the overdraft fees waived sounds like a good approach, too. How can you be faulted when your employer withdrew funds paid for work already performed? :eyes:

AND get the media on this!! Contact your local paper, TV & radio stations. If you're like me, you probably wouldn't want the publicity, but if you could shame your old employer into at least giving you your final paycheck it could be a help.

Also, you might want to contact Clark Howard's radio program -- see http://clarkhoward.com/ (You would not hvae to give any personal info on the air.) He's an Atlanta consumer radio show host who is carried on stations nationwide, and also on the internet(s). He has a team of people who can be very helpful to callers.

Good luck, and remember we're all pulling for you and goodgirl.

[Laurab]

178. Done via Amazon

not much, but I hope it helps - it was easy and painless. Good luck to you!

[ohtransplant]

180. Sorry to hear this news.

I too have met goodboy and believe his description of his situation. Financially things can blow up in your face pretty quickly - been there...

GB - Sent what I can. I'll try to send a few more$$ next pay. Please remind.

You and GG will be in our prayers.

[ohio_liberal]

183. Yep, me too

I've been there, done that, and it happened pretty quick.

[grasswire]

185. kick (eom)

[nofurylike]

186. kick

[AngryAmish]

187. Same thing happened to me about 12 years ago

Had 3 siezures in a month and I never had one before. I was put on the drugs (dilantin) then took myself off because I could not concentrate for more than six hours in a row. There are other anti-convulsants out there I'm told have fewer side effects. I didn't bother.

So I get a siezure now about every 2-3 years. Grand mal, whole 9 yards. Usually when I have been drinking a lot. But I can work now and I deal with the consequences.

All is not lost. Good luck.

[nofurylike]

188. kick

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189. kick

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190. kick

[grasswire]

191. another thing to think about

A study has shown and experience confirms that most households can raise at least $1000 in days by selling unwanted items on eBay. It really works. It won't address the need you have this very day, but it could pay for something next week or ten days. It's simple and many experienced DU-ers could coach you through your first listing. Many people make their living from eBay, at home in their own time and space.

[ohio_liberal]

192. I've been off work for 7 months due to an injury

eBay is how I make my living these days. :hi:

[Laurab]

244. Same here for 5 years

albeit not much of a living these days, as I lost my supplier for what I used to sell. I fell into it due to a chronic illness that took a couple of years to diagnose, got turned down for disability (which is normal for what I have, you have to get lawyers and stuff), then started doing really well with ebay so didn't bother following up with the disability. Not doing so well now, but getting by, and hope to find something new to sell one of these days that will be more lucrative!

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[ohio_liberal]

198. *********PAYPAL UPDATE**********

Goodboy has graciously allowed me to accept Paypal payments on his behalf since he doesn't have an active account and I do. I also live in the same state and can get funds to him with reasonable speed. All payments will be sent directly to him, minus any Paypal fees incurred, and any additional transaction fees for using the Paypal debit card. I can only give my word to you all that I will be completely honest and open and won't run off to exotic locations with the funds.

PM me for information on where to send Paypal payments. After what sweet Andy and his friends went through I don't feel comfortable posting it for Freepers to see. Unless of course, in the interests of complete transparency, other DUers think it's absolutely necessary. I sell on eBay and I need this account to stay open not only for goodboy but for me as well. I'd rather not give the freeperati the chance to shut it down, even temporarily.


edited to remove my goofy grin.

[ohio_liberal]

229. ANOTHER PAYPAL UPDATE>>>>>>>

If you decide to send a Paypal payment, please make sure that you fully complete the transaction. We had a slight mixup tonight with the confusing process so I thought I should clarify. There's more than one page to click through. You should receive an email confirming your payment. If you don't get the email you can check your transaction history on the Paypal site. If the transaction isn't there then chances are you haven't completed all the steps and confirmed your payment. If you have any questions, just send me a PM and I'll be happy to help!

[Extend a Hand]

267. thanks to ohio_liberal

for setting up paypal. sent donation.

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199. kick

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202. kick

[nofurylike]

203. kick before going. PLEASE PEOPLE do ALL you CAN!! eom

[nofurylike]

204. kick! please hang in and hang on, GB and GG!! eom

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205. kick

[ohio_liberal]

206. kick

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[Binka]

207. Bumporama

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[Beaverhausen]

208. Just gave a little on Amazon

sorry it couldn't be more. :hug:

[skids]

209. The way people treat epilepsy sucks.

From experience with people close to me (don't want to get into more detail) I knew about this condition from childhood. When I was in high school I went to work delivering pizza, and one of the other drivers was a 40-something-year old epileptic. He was also poor and stressed, and sometimes that would cause a lapse in taking the meds. Stay on the meds. You're perfectly safe as long as you do. One night we were in the pizza shop and some headlights shown in the window. And got slowly closer. And eventually this guy's car came slowly to rest on the curbstone in front of the store window.

He had forgotten his meds at home but was so in need of the job that he tried to risk it instead of calling in late to go back to get them. He was hunched over his steering wheel drooling. We got him out and I found a wooden handle for him to bite on in case the seizure resumed. Eventually he revived and explained that he'd skipped his meds and was even cogent enough to drive home. The manager was freaking out thinking he was on drugs. I calmed him down and explained epilepsy to him, and told him the guy would be just fine as long as allowances were made at the shop to make sure he had his meds. If I hadn't been there, I have no doubt that guy would have lost his job that night.

[Pastiche423]

215. Your experience is very narrow

and in many cases, not true.

I am an Epileptic. I have been for over fourteen years.

Meds do not stop seizures in everyone. I have taken every seizure drug on the market and not one of them has stopped a seizure. Presently I take none and have the same occurrence as when on meds.

Putting something in the mouth of someone having a seizure is an old wife's tale and could produce serious damage. When a grand mal occurs, the jaw clamps shut like lockjaw. Place a finger in the mouth of someone seizing can result in losing said finger. Or, in the case of a wooden handle, it could result in broken teeth and jaw.

Please do not perpetuate these myths. They help no one.

[skids]

224. I agree about the finger part.

Definitely not advised. Also you're right perhaps I shouldn't have said that medication is a guaranteed safety. What I was trying to convey is that for the majority of people, for whom medication works, it is of tantamount importance not to lapse in taking the medication, not even for a single dose.

As far as the biting object, that's what I was told to do by an epileptic (with something soft, not metal, and not something you have to get your fingers near the teeth to do, and not to try to open clenched jaws if the seizure has already gotten that far.) I do see by googling that it is discouraged. I'll have to talk to them about that.

[babsbunny]

210. Bless Your Hearts!

Open a PayPal account where money can be donated.

[GardeningGal]

211. See post 198. PayPal is now an option. n/t

[EC]

212. donated at amazon and kick

:kick:

[Jokinomx]

214. Your case is exactly why Unions are

a necessity in this country. Without a Union, your pretty much on your own.

If I could... I would help... but... we live paycheck to paycheck as so many Americans..... and if this happened to my wife and or myself... we would be in the same position as you.

Good Luck... Keep your chin up === things WILL work out for you.

[deadparrot]

216. kick.

:kick:

[Flying Dream Blues]

219. $50 on Amazon coming your way. I hope you feel better and that

your money concerns will be taken care of for the immediate future. Lots of love here on DU. I'll be thinking of you.
Holly

[redwitch]

220. hey goodboy, can we get an update?

are you OK? Medically and financially? Thinking of you. Brother amerikat and I wish you all the best, we have done our small part, do you have enough to keep it all together for a bit? Here's a hug for you and goodgirl : :hug:

oops, forgot to add hug!

[Beaverhausen]

221. Kick

[mtnester]

223. Kick for the Tuesday evening crowd nt

[Ladyhawk]

225. I am so sorry, goodboy.

:hug:

I'll have to read the whole thread later, but I just wanted to say I'm sorry and that I can't believe your employer could lawfully fire you for having health problems. :( Dammit.

[goodboy]

226. ---update--- Just got back from Urgent Care...

I had a seizure early this morning, and I came out of it with severe back pain. I tried everything from Ibuprofin to Naproxin to Mobic and Flexeril, and the pain still broke through. I did get some relief from a Thermacare Heat Wrap, but it was only slight, and short-lived.

At Urgent Care some x-rays of my back were taken and the UC doc said they looked o.k,. He gave me 10 lortab and sent me home. And here I am. I can only take 1 lortab every six hours b/c they're the 7.5/700 mg, so I'd reach my maximum intake of tylenol quickly, but so far, I feel very little effect from them. So that's about it.

Thank you for your continued support...I think we're at 20% right now. For anyone wishing to donate using paypal, please PM Ohio_liberal, who has kindly agreed to accept donations on my behalf.

I gotta lay down.

Peace,

goodboy

[helderheid]

227. DAMN!! Feel better. Sorry all I could give was $20 - Please people

give give give!

[MelissaB]

228. Thanks for the update!

Best of luck to ya.

[nedbal]

230. I gave back in December !

I have read many of goodboys posts here over the last years, especially when he helped Andy, while I'm not looking to open up doubts about goodboys needs, he did make a plea prior to New years that was quickly deleted by the mods due to something to the effect that there can't be 2 requests for donations threads at the same time and there may have been a thread that was for a DU member in/near New Orleans at the time. so it appears goodboys troubles started before the new year. If the archive search wasn't disabled at this time one could get a link to the thread, but the link would lead to "thread was deleted".

***on edit , as I recall his december plea was to the effect that the only decent doctors that treat his condition were out of his health care network and he had to pay out of pocket for them. That was causing him major finacial hardship. goodboys post earlier in this thread reminded me " I've been in pain management at PainNet, which is not in network with my insurance, so I have to pay 75.00 per visit 3x perweek."" edit off***

second question is really about the amazon system , it states you have 30 days to cancel a honor system payment, yet they did post it to my credit card account the next day? so how do they cancel a amazon payment? if even 20 days pass it could already be added to a statement received and possibly paid.


from the email I got from amazon when I gave to goodboy on dec 15

You have 30 days to get a refund for this transaction. You can view
your payments or get a refund online by visiting Your Account at:

http://www.amazon.com/your-account

Your receipt:
---------------------------------------------------
Transaction ID: 700xxxxxxxxx
Date: 15-Dec-2005
Paid by: [e-mail]
Paid to: goodboy
Amount: $50.00
Method: Visa (3

from my Amazon web page
Your Account > Where's My Stuff? > Order Summary #700xxxxxxxx

Order Placed: December 15, 2005 Order Total: $50.00
Amazon Honor System Payment Unpay this transaction
Payment to: goodboydu Amount
- Status: Completed $50.00


From my DNC credit card site the payment was made that day ( the DNC gets the cashback bonus , buy blue)

Transaction Detail

Description: Amz*honor System Amazon.com Wa
Transaction Date: 12/15/05
Posting Date: 12/16/05
Amount:

$50.00

[helderheid]

245. your post is confusing me - you asked for a refund?

[nedbal]

246. NO - was wondering how Amazon could follow that policy

it was asked as a second related question . in no way do I doubt goodboys need or that a series of events he had no control over put them in a a situation where they needed to ask for donation

[bling bling]

247. Interesting

Wonder if the account you donated to in December is the same account that supposedly was just set up last night (at least it was presented/appeared as though it was just set up last night). Wonder why this account wasn't disclosed initially rather than asking for Western Union.

Just wondering.

[nedbal]

248. yes it was , look at my post, goodboy = goodboydu both are referenced

there is a link on my amazon accounts history page that leads to the current page copied below ,

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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at the time I donated there were 6 donations for a total of either
$250 or $350 I forget now

[nedbal]

249. Western Union was asked for as he needed it quickly

there is a delay problems with amazon to do it tomorrow.....

once again I in no way am trying to imply goodboy does not need help. I contributed to him as he helped Andy quite a
LOT

yet when I set up my amazon account to receive payments from my amazon sales ( none yet ) I had to tie it to my checking account. goodboy does not want paypal as it would go into his checking , but one could get a paypal debit card and not need a checking account I believe? could be the same with amazon? I reallllllly should confirm this. it's been awhile since I set up my accounts and I may forget all the possibilities of how to get funds out / withdraw funds.

[bling bling]

252. I'm not implying he doesn't need help either.

But I'll be honest here, I felt pretty skeptical when it came to light that this was the 2nd plea for help when the first one was not disclosed. It made me question the the cry for "desperate" help.

Crying for help because you need a life or death operation....most definitely desperate.
Crying for help because you're a single parent who lost your job and you've got five children to clothe and feed....certainly desperate.

Crying for desperate help (when you have an able-bodied spouse with a job) because you bounced some checks and you need to re-sign your lease....not so sure if I'd call that desperate. More like, welcome to the real world. I mean, there's lots of us who could legitimately cry for help if that fits the definition of desperate. If one was asking for donations strictly for one's medication costs, then that's different in terms of being desperate.

But I guess I'm getting caught up in a sidepoint here over the term desperate. The actual point is whether he could simply use some help right now. If that's in fact the case, then he's a fortunate person that there's people here who are willing to help out. There's nothing to feel bad about when you help others, whether they're truly "desperate" or they just think they are.

[helderheid]

253. Thanks for the clarification. I appreciate it. I believe in karma and am

happy to help goodboy because I know I am truly helping myself. Get well Goodboy!

[ohio_liberal]

290. No sorry, that's not accurate

"I had to tie it to my checking account. goodboy does not want paypal as it would go into his checking , but one could get a paypal debit card and not need a checking account I believe?"

One must have a checking account and a credit card attached to a Paypal account and the account must be open for 60 days in order to apply for the Paypal debit card.

[nofurylike]

234. kick

[Nicole]

235. Kick

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[nofurylike]

236. kick

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237. kick

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238. kick

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239. kick

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240. kick

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241. kick

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242. kick

[EC]

251. kick

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[oioioi]

254. Am I the only one here who questions the appropriateness of this thread?

Sorry about your situation and all, but this is a political discussion board - you seem to have a lot of friends here, why not PM them and do this behind the scenes?

Just sayin' -- enough with the gratuitous kicks already.

(Flame away)...

[helderheid]

255. just sayin' many hands make light work.

[oioioi]

263. Certainly, but it's this post from December 13 which I find troubling...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5589789

[nofurylike]

271. "gratuitous?" my kicks are, yes, freely given, free of any obligation. is

that a problem, to you?

this is not the politics discussion board, it is the general discussion board. have you not seen the difference?

it would take far more time to pm all who will see this and help out.

just sayin...

thanks for asking and kicking with us!


peace!

[nofurylike]

256. kick

[oioioi]

259. That's 46 kicks from you by my rough count. I think we're getting it.

sigh...

Go ahead...

Make my day...

[nofurylike]

258. kick

[oioioi]

260. Trigger finger -- 47...

[nofurylike]

261. kick

[oioioi]

262. Let's keep kicking it every 30 seconds...

No such thing as bad publicity.

[Peter Frank]

264. Kick if you must...

...but I think that Good Boy has gotten all the resources he needs by now (There is no Good Girl registered on the DU).

Let's move on.

[nofurylike]

281. it has always been your prerogative to move on. eom

[IdaBriggs]

291. I believe GoodBoy is referring to his wife as "GoodGirl" --

without intending to imply she is registered as such on DU. It is a pretty common way for people to refer to their significant others with a minor change in name variant, and is not viewed as being deceitful. For example, MrSniggles would call his beloved wife "MrsSniggles" if she weren't registered on DU as a way to identify her relationship to him, while PuppyGirl would probably refer to her husband as PuppyMan or PuppyBoy (depending on a mood). These names are made up by me at 5:30 in the morning, and do not refer to any real DU'ers (that I know of).

I don't know GoodBoy or his wife well, but (if they are the people I think they are), I do believe I met them at Andy Stephenson's funeral, which I was able to go to thanks to another DU'er picking up my airfare at a time when I didn't have the funds. I haven't forgotten that kindness, and so I've kicked in a small amount. And, when I was working on getting New Hampshire recounted, a whole bunch of people dug deep to help make it happen. I haven't forgotten that, either. For me, its a "pay it forward" moment.

And I get to do a small kick while answering your (understandable) issue -- bonus point!

[IdaBriggs]

292. Edit -- Duplicate Posting! Doh! nt

:hi: :)

[nofurylike]

265. hello, oioioi. thank you for kicking with me. it's important that everyone

see this, so it can't get buried yet.

just as good to kick by replying, though. thanks!


peace!

[oioioi]

266. why is this important enough to kick 50 times?

Can't you just send your friend a couple of bucks?

I'm sure there are a lot of people here who are in similiar situations and struggling with bills. I can certainly empathize. I don't know your friend, but please explain why he was also here in early December asking for donations?

I don't get it.

Sorry.

[nofurylike]

268. hi. sorry. dial-up takes that long to reload such a long thread.

thank you for asking.
have you read this whole thread? it will tell you some of what this man, this couple means to this community.
everyone who cares about them deserves to see this thread, and know of their need. kicking this thread for all to see it is my only possible contribution at this point.
maybe you could contribute enough that they don't need it kicked any more? that would be very kind, and very like others in this deeply compassionate community.

from what i read above, his request in december was removed because of other then-more urgent fundraising. this thread speaks of much more urgent need, i believe. this man has been there for others in dire need, too.

meanwhile, thank you for talking. it keeps it kicked but this way i'm more actively involved.

and now, for another long re-load. thank you for your patience with that.


peace!

[oioioi]

270. Can you give it to me in a nutshell?

From the little bit that I've gleaned, it looks like he's a middle class guy who's lost his job and is facing some medical problems.

It's not that I'm not understanding, but there are a lot of people in this position.

Frankly, there are a number of people I know personally who are in worse situations, but they aren't here begging on GD.

What gives? I'm a bleeding heart liberal. If you can honestly tug on my heart strings, I'll kick in a couple of bucks, but it needs to be more than fretting about how he's gonna make his six grand monthly nut.

[Peter Frank]

272. I'm smelling something here too...

This is distracting from the business at hand...

[Peter Frank]

273. Wassup Good ol Boy?

[nofurylike]

276. loving kindness is the business at hand. eom

[nofurylike]

275. not so many lose everything in a flash. have you ever had a seizure? or

acute intractable pain, with no medical coverage that will grant you relief? please do read the thread.

more than that, when someone we care about is in real need and crisis, we do all possible to help. it's decent.

this man is dear to very many of us. his hardship concerns us, personally. his pain hurts us intensely.

and this community pours out monies and resources to every possible need and just cause in the world, as much as possible. so, too, to those of our own community.

i'm sure you'll grow to appreciate it if you stay around a while.

thank you for asking, and for caring to know.


peace!

[oioioi]

278. Nope. But we all stress about our monthly nut and our health.

Bad stuff happens to good people. This is not the place to solicit donations.

I've been here for quite a long time - thanks. I only post about once a month. This thread, however is the only time in almost 5 years that I've resorted to alerting the mods - although fat lot of good it appears to have done.

To be fair I haven't read the thread, since it's comprised mostly of your "kick" posts.

I hate to sound insensitive, but there seem to be more deserving causes.

[nofurylike]

280. you alert the mods on how i use my time? and since you acted caring, i

hadn't imagined it, but yes, you are being insensitive now.

you are free to ignore any thread you choose to. you're aware of that, i assume, your having been around a good while and all?

g'night. wish i hadn't gotten you wrong. i wish that for you.

i'm sad for you.


peace

[oioioi]

284. Um, no. I'm alerting the mods because this is online panhandling.

I don't care how many times you kick it, but despite our discussion, I still don't understand your rationale.

Feel free to be sad for me. Perhaps it will help you gain a new perspective, as I can state categorically that your sympathy is not needed, though thanks for the thought.

Sorry if I've offended you. I'm confident that your generosity is sincere and that you truly believe in the righteousness of your cause. You just haven't convinced me. Not even a bit.

I don't think this is the appropriate forum to solicit donations to cover one's personal expenses. That is why I alerted the mods and that is why I've attempted to engage you in discourse.

Our failure to agree reinforces my original perceptions regarding this thread.

Good night.

[nofurylike]

288. thank you for shootin the breeze with me while i kicked. i hope all got to

see. so many care so much. no one who chose to give needed to be "convinced," and i have no reason to convince you, or anyone on this.

it is all freely given out of the generosity of our hearts.

goodnight


peace!

[Name removed]

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[nofurylike]

269. kick to the top.

[Peter Frank]

274. Use some judgement first...

[nofurylike]

279. sorry, i don't understand. will you please clarify this? thank you. eom

[Name removed]

277. Deleted message

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[cynatnite]

282. awe, look who came out to play....

buh bye :eyes:

[jsamuel]

283. so giving are ye

[nofurylike]

285. kick goodnight. best wishes, GB!! you inspire great loving kindness. eom

[nofurylike]

286. wishing all here, peace and kindness. eom

[nofurylike]

287. kick

[Binka]

289. Kickeroo

I'm 6+ EST so I will keep this at the top for GB. Hugs and kisses for those poor gits who feel compelled to complain about this community effort. Shame on their sorry asses. :kick:

[Binka]

293. Love Tap

To The Top.

[Binka]

294. Get On Up!

[Binka]

297. Peace & Kindness Indeed

:kick:

[Moosepoop]

295. Gratuitous kick!

:)

[Binka]

296. Up ya go...

[Melissa G]

299. Kick in' to the top! Bump it on up!

[Skinner]

300. I'm sure goodboy appreciates all this help.

It looks like a pretty good amount of money has been raised. Since this has been open for more than a day and a half, and since the only new posts for hours have been kicks, I think the time has come for me to lock this.