It's all the fault of a Gay Democrat Senator in 1845

[Armstead]

I heard that there was some Democrat Senator who might have been gay back then.

That's the real cause of all of these problems going on now. The GOP is not to blame.

[bryant69]

1. It was 1973, the senators name was Gerry Studds

Very unforunate name all things considered. In 1973 he had an illicit affair with a page. In 1983 he and a Republican (who had fooled around with a girl page) were censured. He and the page stood together and said that what had happened between them was nobodies business.

Republicans are telling this story with a few creative ommisions. The forget to mention that it was a Democratic Congress who censured him. They also pretend that they got rid of Foley when the truth is he resigned. Who knows how it would have gone if he had stayed and fought. Of cours they also leave out the 10 year gap between crime and trial, and the fact that the page defended Studds.

Bryant
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[stepnw1f]

3. Consenting Adults Having an Affair

I believe the page was 17. It was not a case of pedophilia....

A Right Winger already tried using Gerry Studds as fodder for his argument on another board.

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[stepnw1f]

11. the "coward".... lolol... nice baiting (nt)

[bryant69]

12. I'm just saying you clearly have an opinion about me

But don't want to admit it outloud. Just want to drop snarky hints.

If I thought you were, say, a coward, I'd just call you a coward.

[stepnw1f]

15. Aha.... That's Cool.... I Just Don't Do So Due to Rules

not a coward..

[bryant69]

16. If you really think I am what you think I am why aren't you alerting the

Mods? I mean if I'm that, aren't I a danger to everybody here?

It's like you don't really care about your fellow DUers.

or you're a coward.

Also let me ask you directly - Short of changing all my opinions how could I prove to you I'm not what you think I am?

Bryant

[stepnw1f]

18. Now That You Keep Trying to Bait Me, Maybe I Should

But how does that make me a coward for NOT alerting the mods? Out of curiosity, how would you know I never have alerted the mods.... And also, why do you feel the need to try to prove anything to me?

[bryant69]

19. So you enjoy being accused of things you are not guilty of?

I am sorry to admit I am not quite as big a person as you, I find the experience unpleasent. I've participated in this community several years now, donated money to it, and I don't like people implying that I'm a traitor and a backstabber. I'm either a part of this community or Im not, but I certainly don't like the feeling that I'm one bad post away from getting tombstoned.

Maybe you have alerted the mods, but i'm certainly still here.

And to clear it up, you are a coward because you won't level your accusation directly, you are a less than perfect community member, assuming you haven't alerted the mods, because you see a traitor and a backstabber associating with your fellow DUers and choose to do nothing about it. Think about how many people I'm subtly corrupting (apparently) and you just sit back and make the occasionally snarky reply?

Bryant

[acmavm]

8. I'm just slightly confused now. Just yesterday, in regard to the

Foley mess I read over and over and over where a 17-year old IS NOT an adult.

Now I read (in connection with Gerry Studds) that it was not a crime, it was consensual sex and they were consenting adults.

What's the real deal here? If it's wrong for one it's wrong for the other.

[bryant69]

10. The situations aren't directly parrallel

And Studds was censored by a Democratic Congress.

Bryant

[acmavm]

13. That sure doesn't answer my question. How are they not

'parrallel'? 17 is 17.

I realize Studds was censored by a Dem Congress. That's to our credit.

[stepnw1f]

14. No... That Was Mistake

I thought the page was 18 until I found his age on Wikipedia as being 17. So technically, he was not an adult.

[sandnsea]

21. Studds didn't prey on boy after boy after boy

And I think Studds was morally wrong to have a relationship with a page. However, it isn't pedophilia because Studds wasn't preying on pages for years and years. At the time, apparently the page wasn't under age either so no crime was committed. He was censured and that's about all that could be done. He didn't feel he'd done anything wrong and his constituents saw it as a personal relationship that had gone on for some time.

Dan Crane, on the other hand, had an extra-marital affair in addition to the fact the girl was 17. Different set of circumstances and he was voted out. If Republicans had let just let Monica sort of fester a while, the people may have come to the conlusion that he was morally bankrupt. Instead, they got up on their high horse and it backfired. Democrats need to be careful of that in this case too.

[Armstead]

4. Their current use of that is what inspired my post

If they have to go back decades to justify their own actions now, they're really grasping at straws.

[elehhhhna]

9. Tiberius & Caligula were Republican Perverts. So there!

[Catherine Vincent]

5. A very astute woman on cspan the other morning mentioned that

if the repukes are going to keep referring back to this Studds guy, then they should look as far back as Strom Thurmond (rest his soul). He was considered a pedophile by impregnating their maid at 16.

[stepnw1f]

2. GOP Picking on a Minority Group Again

It's all they ever do... bigotry.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

7. Well, if Gore Vidal is to be believed

then there was a gay Democratic president, James Buchanan, the only president never to marry, just before Lincoln.

(In his book Lincoln, Vidal portrays Washington gossips referring to Buchanan as "Miss Nancy.")

[Armstead]

17. Impeach Buchanan

....er, I guess it's too late for that.

[bleedingheart]

23. he also lived with another man before he became president

but that man died before buchanan was elected....had that not happened we might have had a gay couple living in the White House...

[hootinholler]

20. Lincoln??? You linked it to Lincoln?

Oh, guess not he was Republic.

-Hoot

[Armstead]

22. Lincoln was only gay in his Democrat Moments