The "October Surprise" We Were Anticipating Will Be the November Surprise.

[David Zephyr]

James Baker, Henry Kissinger, John Warner and Old Man Bush are going to commandeer the White House away from the neo-cons, fire Rumsfeld and possibly, just possibly push Dick Cheney into retirement.

Call me crazy, but I think it's already a done deal.

"Stay the course is only one-quarter correct" means that the three-quarters is about to be announced.

No October Surprise from the Republicans because the November Surprise will be essentially a confession of failure by the White House with as much face saving as possible.

I think that even Karl Rove may be leaving.

[WI_DEM]

1. you mean after the election?

I think you are probably right. If it is a big enough repudiation the GOP will want to do something. I could see easing Rummy out and even Cheney due to his "bad health" and perhaps putting Condi in the VP's chair.

[David Zephyr]

2. "After the election" is what James Baker said about his new "course"

After the election. November surprise.

To save Boy Bush, a lot of his playmates are going to have to go bye-bye. In the end, the Bush Family and Company always circle the wagons. And remember, Old Man Bush fired Rove himself.

We aren't hearing much from Rove lately, either are we?

[Auggie]

6. I wouldn't be surprised about a Cheney resignation.

I see them trying to salvage the '08 election by grooming a successor now. Where better to start than at the VP position? Gives w a chance to grant the full pardon, etc.

[David Zephyr]

22. And Cheney is about to go on the witness stand. Tsk. Won't look good.

Very bad television. Even Roger Ailes will have trouble with that dead racoon.

[greeneyedboy]

3. they can do whatever they want; it's too late to save face.

i'd rather focus on what we're going to do, 'cause there's no way to influence their dog-&-pony show.

[JohnnyLib2]

4. Do you mean the old bulls castrate the steer?

Sorry, ranching background. Still, ???

[David Zephyr]

10. Pretty much.

Georgie's father has been cleaning up the shit his son has caused his entire life. From Yale to his AWOL drug clinic records in Houston, to his failed Arbusto and Harkin enterprises and more.

James Baker had to cancel his long planned hunting trip to bail out Georgie back in 2000.

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"WASHINGTON -- On the U.S. presidential election night three years ago, James Baker was looking forward to a long-planned pheasant-hunting foray in Europe with his old boss and friend, former president George Bush, and retired general Norman Schwarzkopf.

"But the silver-haired patrician power broker had to scrap the hunting trip. A far greater prize was at stake and the fate of the Bush family dynasty was hanging in the balance.

"George the younger had won -- or perhaps lost -- the 2000 election, and the outcome in Florida would determine whether the Bush family could claim both the 41st and 43rd presidents of the United States.

"So the family turned to its long-time confidant Mr. Baker, the former U.S. secretary of state whose unique combination of Ivy League polish, political connections, steely resolve and Texas gunslinger's nerve had helped the first president Bush negotiate a nuclear arms deal with Moscow, create an unprecedented coalition to fight the first Persian Gulf war, and mount an ultimately unsuccessful campaign against Bill Clinton in 1992.

"During 36 extraordinary days in Florida, it was Mr. Baker who was credited with outfoxing the Democrats to a Supreme Court ruling that installed George W. Bush in the White House."

http://globecareers.workopolis.com/servlet/Content/fasttrack/20031213/BAKER13?section=Finance

[Gabi Hayes]

5. you're crazy

[David Zephyr]

7. Perhaps.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061010/ap_on_go_ot/baker_iraq

[Wickerman]

8. Interesting

I've bookmarked this. Could certainly work out as you predict.

[Cleita]

9. Not Kissinger! I can tolerate Baker and Warner, but Kissinger

is as bad a fascist criminal as Bush, Rove, Cheney and Rumsfeld. Also, Baker looks to me like he's getting senile. By commandeer I hope it doesn't mean what I think it means because that basically is a coup and an overthrow of our government. Do they have the military backing them on this? Do you have inside information?

[David Zephyr]

23. Just a sweeping up and a whole new staff and as Baker says "a new course"

That's the funny thing about the Bush family. Everyone that plays ball with them gets screwed. Look at Tom Delay, Jack Abramhoff, Daniel Norriega, Saddam Hussein, and even poor old Ronald Reagan was screwed by Old Man Bush ("I wasn't in the loop) by Iran/Contra. Nancy Reagans still despises Bush and Ollie North for that little Bush epsisode.

Georgie will get all new playmates in the White House. I think that Condi will stay because she's family.

[Cleita]

31. The Republicans as a whole have no loyalty when one of

them screws up. It's a country club I wouldn't want to be a member of.

[patricia92243]

11. When they called in Baker, the jig is up for Bush. He will either play

ball or the powers that be - represented by Baker - will send HIM home too. I think the changes you listed are a done deal, so it's just to see what the big ego one does.

[David Zephyr]

19. Baker is the red flag.

"When they called in Baker"...you wrote. It's the red flag waving.

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"WASHINGTON - James A. Baker III, the former secretary of state with a long-standing reputation of service to Republican presidents and the Bush family in particular, has joined a list of prominent Republicans raising questions about the administration's Iraq policy.

"Co-chairman of a bipartisan commission studying what to do next in the wartorn country, Baker said his panel is preparing to recommend that President Bush consider options other than his 'stay-the-course' strategy in Iraq.

"'Our commission believes that there are alternatives between the stated alternatives, the ones that are out there in the political debate, of stay the course and cut and run,' the former secretary of state said.

"Partisan critics of Democratic proposals to consider drawing down U.S. troops in Iraq at times call that kind of talk a 'cut and run' strategy.

"Baker did not disclose specific proposals that might be adopted by the commission, which plans to issue its report after the November congressional elections. But his remarks Sunday on the ABC's 'This Week' were the latest in which a high-profile Republican has seemed to say it is time for the administration to consider other alternatives in Iraq.

"White House spokesman Tony Snow said that when the commission makes its proposals, 'We are going to take them seriously.' Asked if the administration would make changes AFTER THE ELECTION, Snow said 'There are tactical and strategic changes and adjustments that are made all the time. That's the nature of a war.'" http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061010/ap_on_go_ot/baker_iraq

[951-Riverside]

12. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

:rofl: Bush 1 and Kissinger HAHAHA!!! you have to be joking or an incredibly naive person.

[David Zephyr]

16. He's already there.

Vice President Dick Cheney told Bob Woodward: "Of the outside people that I talk to in this job, I probably talk to Henry Kissinger more than I talk to anyone else." --- State of Denial

[windbreeze]

27. Didn't I just read on this site a week or so ago....how

Kissinger was making lots of trips to the WH????I wondered what the significance of it was, or if there was any...
wb

[peekaloo]

13. Bob Schieffer must have gotten that memo or part of it.

His "free speech" segment on CBS (his 2nd or 3rd I believe) was imploring the pretzeldent to listen to those outside of his employ. Of course he noted that the DimBulb was surrounded by "good people" but it was time he turned his attention elsewhere.

Will his gal pal, er Sec. of State remain or does she get the jack boot, too?

Once again (if true) Baker has perfected the art of polishing a turd.

Interesting.

[meisje]

14. Can I have a hit on that?

[Armstead]

15. Are you talking before or after the election?

[David Zephyr]

18. "After the election" --- Baker's very words.

And Bush's today: "Stay the course is only one-quarter right."

[Mr_Spock]

17. I think you are onto something.

They KNOW they are on a path to destruction. Almost EVERYONE I know is on to their bullshit. When this cynicism gets into the most remote RW strongholds, they will have nothing left.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

20. Would George's ego tolerate this mini-coup?

If his own father engineers it, might not the Chimp decide to go mano-a-mano again with dad? We know that the younger Bush has an enormous ego. Having his own father bail him out of this mess would be the final humiliation of his life for Chimpy, in a long string of humiliations.

[David Zephyr]

21. His ego will be dealing with subpoenas from a Democratic House in Congress

It won't be just the leaves falling in November. Here comes the Winter of Bush's Discontent.

[Monk06]

30. He doesn't have an Ego. The guy is still working his way through farts.

[Orangepeel]

24. eh. I don't see how that would work.

"We admit we're a bunch of colossal fuck-ups! Vote for us!"

[David Zephyr]

25. "After the election"

Baker and Tony Snow have both now said that the "new course" from James Baker will not be given to the White House until "after the election". That's my point, it's a November Surprise.

[Orangepeel]

26. oh, well, then I guess maybe. I think they're more likely to take whatever

more money they can and run, just like bush did with every business he's ever been involved in.

I thought you meant "November surprise" the way it was used when bush's drunk driving arrest broke in 2000. If it is after the election, why would it need to be a surprise?

[KoKo]

28. This sounds so possible it's probably the truth of it.

I wonder who will replace Cheney, though. And, I wonder if they are all waiting to steal another election before putting their "plan" into place or if the Repugs win or only lose by a few seats will they still go with the "plan?" :shrug:

This is the "Shadow Government" coming in...is what you are saying...

[cynatnite]

29. When I heard about Baker...I thought of one thing...

Daddy bush told Baker to do something to help baby bush save face and get out of Iraq...hence this panel.

I expect baby bush to say 'that's a damn good plan'. We'll do it. It comes from the repukes and it might help the repukes get the WH in '08.

Daddy bush knows what a failure of a son he has. This thing has his hands all over it.