The USA Has Tortured and Killed More People Than Saddam?

[leftchick]

I knew the kill ration was higher but this article goes on to mention that the US has also tortured more than Saddam. That is the first time I have read that. I wonder what report he is refering to?

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HJ13Ak02.html

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While the report had already created a stir, it was unlikely to alter US policy, said James Denselow of the Royal Institute for International Affairs in London. "It is unlikely to have policy implications," Denselow told Inter Press Service. "The US has always rode roughshod over the issue of casualties. And with this report out, Bush was saying today what he said a year ago, that without the US there Iraq will become a pariah state, that it will risk more of September 11, I don't see any drastic change to that."

But In the public eye "the report does undermine the US project in Iraq", Denselow said. "There have been other reports to say that more Iraqis have been tortured under US occupation than under Saddam , and now we have a report suggesting a higher ratio of deaths under US occupation."

Bush had so far managed to combine the war in Iraq and the "war on terror" quite well. "But people are now seeing that the Iraq war has created a harder problem that the 'war on terror' was intended to address," he said.

The conduct of the invasion had been shown up to be "mismanaged and tragically irresponsible", Denselow said. "But that does not mean there will be a change in what the US is doing."

[Kagemusha]

1. US probably has not, but at the ferocious rate of progress,

the US is making up real fast for the differential, despite Saddam's having ruled for considerably longer.

[leftchick]

5. the death rate comparison is astounding

saddam is accused of killing 300,000 over a decade. The US managed to kill twice as many in four years. :(

[goddess40]

7. it's only 30,000 and they were happy to die

- that is if you ask Bush and use his 'new' math

[leftchick]

8. Gen asshat says no more than 50,000!

as any good soldier would. :(

[goddess40]

13. 20 times Bush's number of 30,000

Randi Rhodes said that's the number backed up by death certificates, so that doesn't count where we wiped out entire families or villages where there was no one to get a death certificate.

[Kagemusha]

9. They're not all directly caused by the US. Problem is...

I don't really think that should be any comfort. I mean, there being so many other deaths because the US opened Pandora's Box and has been not only ineffective in closing it, but actively making the situation worse... no, I don't think deaths indirectly caused by the US should somehow give people any comfort.

[leftchick]

12. any "excess deaths" are the fault of the US

as far as I am concerned. :(

The question that this study was set up to answer was: as a result of the invasion, have things got better or worse in Iraq? And if they have got worse, have they got a little bit worse or a lot worse.... The results speak for themselves. There was a sample of 12,801 individuals in 1,849 households, in 47 geographical locations. That is a big sample, not a small one. The opinion polls from Mori and such which measure political support use a sample size of about 2,000 individuals.... The Iraq Body Count website and the Iraqi government statistics are not better measures than the survey results, because one of the things we know about war zones is that casualties are under-reported....

And the results were shocking. In the 18 months before the invasion, the sample reported 82 deaths, two of them from violence. In the 39 months since the invasion, the sample households had seen 547 deaths, 300 of them from violence. The death rate expressed as deaths per 1,000 per year had gone up from 5.5 to 13.3....

http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2006/10/55_deaths_per_y.html

[neoblues]

2. Republican Response: "We're Number One! We're Number One!..." nt.

[BuyingThyme]

3. Saddam is a bad guy, but he did not do most of the things the Pukes

pinned on him. It's just the Puke way of terrorizing Americans into war.

[BOSSHOG]

4. The ones we have killed are not worth as much as those Hussein killed

(Per conservatives)

Isn't it a chuckle how sad it was that all those poor Iraqis were killed by Hussein and the compassion pouring from conservative America was overwhelming, just so fucking overwhelming. Hussein was pure fucking evil because he killed Iraqis. The one's dying today, no big deal.

[OwnedByFerrets]

6. Yeah, but dont forget, we did it in the name of FREEDOM!!

:sarcasm:

[Kagemusha]

10. Destination still hell, road paved with shinier bricks.

Somehow that's no comfort to me either.

[Rocknrule]

11. Not to mention the Christian God