Bill Clinton in California today - pics

[Kadie]

Former President Bill Clinton smiles as he walks to the stage, while a television advertisement is film to endorse California's Proposition 87 during a support rally at the University of Southern California Los Angeles campus in Los Angeles, Friday, Oct. 13, 2006. (AP Photo/Damian Dovarganes)


Former President Bill Clinton shakes hands with students after endorsing California's Proposition 87 during a support rally at the University of Southern California Los Angeles campus in Los Angeles, Friday, Oct. 13, 2006. (AP Photo/Damian Dovarganes)


Former President Bill Clinton, left, and Los Angeles City Council President Eric Garcetti, look inside a hybrid car as they rally for California's Proposition 87, at the University of Southern California Los Angeles campus in Los Angeles, Friday, Oct. 13, 2006. Proposition 87 would tax companies drilling for oil in California until it has generated $4 billion. The money would be set aside for loans, grants and subsidies to promote alternative fuels and more energy-efficient vehicles. (AP Photo/Damian Dovarganes)


Former President Bill Clinton, right, and Los Angeles City Council President Eric Garcetti, left, look inside the hood of a hybrid car as they rally for California's Proposition 87, at the University of Southern California Los Angeles campus in Los Angeles, Friday, Oct. 13, 2006. Proposition 87 would tax companies drilling for oil in California until it has generated $4 billion. The money would be set aside for loans, grants and subsidies to promote alternative fuels and more energy-efficient vehicles. (AP Photo/Damian Dovarganes)


Former President Bill Clinton endorses California's Proposition 87 during a support rally at the University of Southern California Los Angeles campus in Los Angeles, Friday, Oct. 13, 2006. Proposition 87 would tax companies drilling for oil in California until it has generated $4 billion. The money would be set aside for loans, grants and subsidies to promote alternative fuels and more energy-efficient vehicles. (AP Photo/Damian Dovarganes)

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1. *sigh* I sure do miss that guy

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[Sydnie]

21. bullshit!

Gore didn't get a blow job .... and Clinton wasn't running!
Nice try though ... :eyes:

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[Richard Steele]

24. Double bullshit!

As long as you're here, you might as well educate yourself.

Clinton's approval ratings were in the 70s during that
trumped-up impeachment, and that's a FACT.

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[jhrobbins]

33. No, we don't think everyone in America is concerned primarily about

money in their pocket - just Republicans.

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[Richard Steele]

35. And yet Gore WON that election in 2000 anyway. How very puzzling!

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[blm]

43. Most voters picked Gore - most GOP SC judges picked Bush.

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[VOX]

62. "...49%...voters...say in 1999...no way they would vote for Gore?" SOURCE?

I'd be really interested to see a legitimate source document for that.

Please link.

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[cui bono]

76. How about blaming the source of it all, the republican hate propaganda

It wasn't Clinton's so called "scandals", which really weren't, btw.

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[fleabert]

101. OMG ! clinton lied about fucking? OMG OMG OMG ! STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES

I didn't give a shit then, and I don't give a shit now. fuck whomever you want. I don't care. It was none of our business to begin with.

Bush lied and took us to war. Bush lied and created the largest deficit in history. Bush lied and people are D E A D. Anyone that voted for Bush and didn't know he was a liar is either stupid or blind. I am from Texas, and anyone who paid attention knew he was a liar and a bastard before his name was on the fucking ballot.

the GOP machine stirred the pot on the monica thing- it was not big fucking deal - they shouldn't have been asking in the first place. FUCKING IS NOT ILLEGAL!

Lying about national security and breaking the foundation of our society, the Constitution, is.

I'd take Clinton back for a third term tomorrow if I could.

edited to add: it's also unbearably shocking that your profile is disabled. *yawn*

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[Richard Steele]

109. Hey, fleabert, you wanna see ANOTHER real shocker?

(NOT!)

"He's dead, Jim."

[fleabert]

122. I really can't believe it- he was so good at hiding his hatred for libruls

I love it.

[cui bono]

113. you are a broken record repeating the same illogical conclusions over and

over. The bj wasn't a big deal, it was the propaganda about it that made it so.

You realize that the Foley stuff was going on and known about at the same time Clinton was getting impeached, so how do you explain that?

Don't bother to answer, I know it will be because Clinton got a bj. :boring:

[Richard Steele]

52. Pfft. The 50 thousand "probable Gore voters" illegally removed in FLA...

...had a much greater effect than Monica ever did.

But HEY, let's not let THAT distract us from some good
bullshit-riddled FreepStyle Clinton-bashing, right?

I will bid you "good day" now.

Good day.

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[Richard Steele]

80. You are a broken record.

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[Richard Steele]

100. Refutation requires a logical premise to "refute". You have offered none.

Your posts have, rather, displayed a palpable
CONTEMPT for logic.

And it does not appear to be that particular
variety which FAMILIARITY breeds.

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75. If you agree that Gore won then how can you possibly come to the

conclusion that it's Clinton's fault Bush is president???

omg... it's Clinton's fault again. Sheesh.

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112. you're not taking into account the fact that they started a smear campaign

against Clinton early on. It's not the Lewinsky bj that caused this, it's the propaganda from the RW that made it a scandal. But the smears started way before that.

There's quite a few things to blame on Clinton, but the fact that Bush is president isn't one of them.

[blm]

26. It isn't what Clinton DID do that caused Bush2 - it's what he DIDN'T do.

He didn't open the books on Bush1 when he took office in 1993 and there were still outstanding issues on IranContra, BCCI and Iraqgate.

Opening those books to public review would have changed the political landscape for at least a GENERATION.

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[blm]

38. HAHAH - only tons of documents in the National Security Archives.

Congrats for outing yourself, meatball. No Democrat would pretend that there was no evidence of Bush1's wrongdoing in any of those matters.

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[blm]

49. HAHAH.....yeah right. Kerry was a top prosecutor before he was senator

and he found plenty of illegal activity.

So did the many books that came out on BCCI. Robert Mueller played cover up for that one as US attorney assigned to BCCI. The same Robert Mueller who was rewarded by Bush2 and is now head of the FBI.

Focking Bush1 crimes are the roots of 9-11 and this Iraq war. Deal with it.

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[Catherine Vincent]

53. You had all your talking points handy, didn't you?

LOL!

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[blm]

87. Here the top questions left open in 1992 - yep, nothing here connected to

9-11 or our foreign policy and world matters - nope, not at all.


Here is Kerry's list - FROM 1992 - of things which warrant further investigation:

There have been a number of matters which the Subcommittee has received some information on, but has not been able to investigate adequately, due such factors as lack of resources, lack of time, documents being withheld by foreign governments, and limited evidentiary sources or witnesses. Some of the main areas which deserve further investigation include:

1. The extent of BCCI's involvement in Pakistan's nuclear program. As set forth in the chapter on BCCI in foreign countries, there is good reason to conclude that BCCI did finance Pakistan's nuclear program through the BCCI Foundation in Pakistan, as well as through BCCI-Canada in the Parvez case. However, details on BCCI's involvement remain unavailable. Further investigation is needed to understand the extent to which BCCI and Pakistan were able to evade U.S. and international nuclear non-proliferation regimes to acquire nuclear technologies.

2. BCCI's manipulation of commodities and securities markets in Europe and Canada. The Subcommittee has received information that remains not fully substantiated that BCCI defrauded investors, as well as some major U.S. and European financial firms, through manipulating commodities and securities markets, especially in Canada, the Netherlands, and Luxembourg. This alleged fraud requires further investigation in those countries.

3. BCCI's activities in India, including its relationship with the business empire of the Hinduja family. The Subcommittee has not had access to BCCI records regarding India. The substantial lending by BCCI to the Indian industrialist family, the Hindujas, reported in press accounts, deserves further scrutiny, as do the press reports concerning alleged kick-backs and bribes to Indian officials.

4. BCCI's relationships with convicted Iraqi arms dealer Sarkis Soghanalian, Syrian drug trafficker, terrorist, and arms trafficker Monzer Al-Kassar, and other major arms dealers. Sarkenalian was a principal seller of arms to Iraq. Monzer Al- Kassar has been implicated in terrorist bombings in connection with terrorist organizations such as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Other arms dealers, including some who provided machine guns and trained Medellin cartel death squads, also used BCCI. Tracing their assets through the bank would likely lead to important information concerning international terrorist and arms trafficker networks.

5. The use of BCCI by central figures in arms sales to Iran during the 1980's. The late Cyrus Hashemi, a key figure in allegations concerning an alleged deal involving the return of U.S. hostages from Iran in 1980, banked at BCCI London. His records have been withheld from disclosure to the Subcommittee by a British judge. Their release might aid in reaching judgments concerning Hashemi's activities in 1980, with the CIA under President Carter and allegedly with William Casey.

6. BCCI's activities with the Central Bank of Syria and with the Foreign Trade Mission of the Soviet Union in London. BCCI was used by both the Syrian and Soviet governments in the period in which each was involved in supporting activities hostile to the United States. Obtaining the records of those financial transactions would be critical to understanding what the Soviet Union under Brezhnev, Chernenko, and Andropov was doing in the West; and might document the nature and extent of Syria's support for international terrorism.

7. BCCI's involvement with foreign intelligence agencies. A British source has told the Bank of England and British
investigators that BCCI was used by numerous foreign intelligence agencies in the United Kingdom. The British intelligence service, the MI-5, has sealed documents from BCCI's records in the UK which could shed light on this allegation.

8. The financial dealings of BCCI directors with Charles Keating and several Keating affiliates and front-companies, including
the possibility that BCCI related entities may have laundered funds for Keating to move them outside the United States. The Subcommittee found numerous connections among Keating and BCCI-related persons and entities, such as BCCI director Alfred Hartman; CenTrust chief David Paul and CenTrust itself; Capcom front-man Lawrence Romrell; BCCI shipping affiliate, the Gokal group and the Gokal family; and possibly Ghaith Pharaon. The ties between BCCI and Keating's financial empire require further investigation.

9. BCCI's financing of commodities and other business dealings of international criminal financier Marc Rich. Marc Rich
remains the most important figure in the international commodities markets, and remains a fugitive from the United States following his indictment on securities fraud. BCCI lending to Rich in the 1980's amounted to tens of millions of dollars. Moreover, Rich's commodities firms were used by BCCI in connection with BCCI's involving in U.S. guarantee programs through the Department of Agriculture. The nature and extent of Rich's relationship with BCCI requires further investigation.

10. The nature, extent and meaning of the ownership of shares of other U.S. financial institutions by Middle Eastern political
figures. Political figures and members of the ruling family of various Middle Eastern countries have very substantial investments in the United States, in some cases, owning substantial shares of major U.S. banks. Given BCCI's routine use of nominees from the Middle East, and the pervasive practice of using nominees within the Middle East, further investigation may be warranted of Middle Eastern ownership of domestic U.S. financial institutions.

11. The nature, extent, and meaning of real estate and financial investments in the United States by major shareholders of BCCI. BCCI's shareholders and front-men have made substantial investments in real estate throughout the United States, owning major office buildings in such key cities as New York and Washington, D.C. Given BCCI's pervasiveness criminality, and the role of these shareholders and front-men in the BCCI affair, a complete review of their holdings in the United States is warranted.

12. BCCI's collusion in Savings & Loan fraud in the U.S. The Subcommittee found ties between BCCI and two failed Savings and Loan institutions, CenTrust, which BCCI came to have a controlling interest in, and Caprock Savings and Loan in Texas, and as noted above, the involvement of BCCI figures with Charles Keating and his business empire. In each case, BCCI's involvement cost the U. S. taxpayers money. A comprehensive review of BCCI's account holders in the U.S. and globally might well reveal additional such cases. In addition, the issue of whether David Paul and CenTrust's political relationships were used by Paul on behalf of BCCI merits further investigation.

13. The sale of BCCI affiliate Banque de Commerce et de Placements (BCP) in Geneva, to the Cukorova Group of Turkey, which owned an entity involved in the BNL Iraqi arms sales, among others. Given BNL's links to BCCI, and Cukorova Groups' involvement through its subsidiary, Entrade, with BNL in the sales to Iraq, the swift sale of BCP to Cukorova just weeks after BCCI's closure -- prior to due diligence being conducted -- raises questions as to whether a prior relationship existed between BCCI and Cukorova, and Cukorova's intentions in making the purchase. Within the past year, Cukorova also applied to purchase a New York bank. Cukorova's actions pertaining to BCP require further investigation in Switzerland by Swiss authorities, and by the Federal Reserve New York.

14. BCCI's role in China. As noted in the chapter on BCCI's activities in foreign countries, BCCI had extensive activity in China, and the Chinese government allegedly lost $500 million when BCCI closed, mostly from government accounts. While there have been allegations that bribes and pay-offs were involved, these allegations require further investigation and detail to determine what actually happened, and who was involved.

15. The relationship between Capcom and BCCI, between Capcom and the intelligence community, and between Capcom's shareholders and U.S. telecommunications industry figures. The Subcommittee was able to interview people and review documents concerning Capcom that no other investigators had to date interviewed or reviewed. Much more needs to be done to understand what Capcom was doing in the United States, the United Kingdom, Egypt, Oman, and the Middle East, including whether the firm was, as has been alleged but not proven, used by the intelligence community to move funds for intelligence operations; and whether any person involved with Capcom was seeking secretly to acquire interests in the U.S. telecommunications industry.

16. The relationship of important BCCI figures and important intelligence figures to the collapse of the Hong Kong Deposit and Guaranty Bank and Tetra Finance (HK) in 1983. The circumstances surrounding the collpase of these two Hong Kong banks; the Hong Kong banks' practices of using nominees, front-companies, and back-to-back financial transactions; the Hong Banks' directors having included several important BCCI figures, including Ghanim Al Mazrui, and a close associate of then CIA director William Casey; all raise the question of whether there was a relationship between these two institutions and BCCI-Hong Kong, and whether the two Hong Kong institutions were used for domestic or foreign intelligence operations.

17. BCCI's activities in Atlanta and its acquisition of the National Bank of Georgia through First American. Although the Justice Department indictments of Clark Clifford and Robert Altman cover portions of how BCCI acquired National Bank of Georgia, other important allegations regarding the possible involvement of political figures in Georgia in BCCI's activities there remain outside the indictment. These allegations, as well as the underlying facts regarding BCCI's activities in Georgia, require further investigation.

18. The relationship between BCCI and the Banca Nazionale del Lavoro. BCCI and the Atlanta Branch of BNL had an extensive relationship in the United States, with the Atlanta Branch of BNL having a substantial number of accounts in BCCI's Miami offices. BNL was, according to federal indictments, a significant financial conduit for weapons to Iraq. BCCI also made loans to Iraq, although of a substantially smaller nature. Given the criminality of both institutions, and their interlocking activities, further investigation of the relationship could produce further understanding of Saddam Hussein's international network for acquiring weapons, and how Iraq evaded governmental restrictions on such weapons acquisitions.

19. The alleged relationship between the late CIA director William Casey and BCCI. As set forth in the chapter on intelligence, numerous trails lead from BCCI to Casey, and from Casey to BCCI, and the investigation has been unable to follow any of them to the end to determine whether there was indeed a relationship, and if there was, its nature and extent. If any such relationship existed, it could have a significant impact on the findings and conclusions concerning the CIA and BCCI's role in U.S. foreign policy and intelligence operations during the Casey era. The investigation's work detailing the ties of BCCI to the intelligence community generally also remains far from complete, and much about these ties remains obscure and in need of further investigation.

20. Money laundering by other major international banks. Numerous BCCI officials told the Subcommittee that BCCI's money laundering was no different from activities they observed at other international banks, and provided the names of a number of prominent U.S. and European banks which they alleged engaged in money laundering. There is no question that BCCI's laundering of drug money, while pervading the institution, constituted a small component of the total money laundering taking place in international banking. Further investigation to determine which international banks are soliciting and handling drug money should be undertaken.

from: http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/24appendi...

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95. There are BOOKS written on the subject, sunshine. READ THEM.

It takes BOOKS to deal with BCCI, and if you DID know anything about it, you'd know that, already.

And YOU claimed BCCI had nothing to do with 9-11 or what's happening today - those list of outstanding questions prove you wrong, as AQKhan, another Bush1 buddy, is the one responsible for most of the nuclear proliferation of the last 20 years.

The Bin Ladens and the Bushes were both banking at BCCI and doing deals TOGETHER, with James Bath acting as facilitator.

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[Sydnie]

102. Because he wasn't running against Bush the elder n/t

[blm]

107. You are talking like you know nothing about BCCI. If Bush1 HADN't done

anything in BCCI, then why did he fight like hell to block an investigation into global terror networks for FIVE YEARS?

You don't know what you're talking about and you are throwing crap out there because you don't even know that there is tons of CONGRESSIONAL DOCUMENTS backing it all up with tons more that would need a president to release to public view.

And Vince Foster conspiracy books aren't part of the National Security Archives - BCCI is - a HUGE part of it.
And you'd KNOW it if you ever actually went there.

[kestrel91316]

99. If you're going to come here and badmouth Clinton and

defend Bush 1, I think you need to go back to that hole you crawled out of.

Welcome to DU. Now GO HOME.

[blm]

57. Really - so Salem Bin Laden was under arrest for NOTHING?

And Kerry did bring up BCCI - but no spokepeople, pundits or media yakkers even have a clue how to discuss it, and most WON'T.

And Kerry DID call for further investigation of BCCI matters

here's your no relation to 9-11, sunshine - and just be lucky the GOP controls the media because they shut this line of the 9-11 BCCI story down FAST.


Kerry brought up BCCI immediately after 9-11 and this one report came of it - then no follow up from a media willing to accept Bush's word on everything reTerror issue.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/27/se.10.ht...

America's New War: The Money Trail

Aired September 27, 2001 - 06:34 ET

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THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
LEON HARRIS, CNN ANCHOR: To learn more about Osama bin Laden, take a look at his finances. That's what the Senate Finance Committee is doing right now, and their search has led them to what they call a fraud riddled bank, which belonged to bin Laden, but was shut down 10 years ago.

Here now is CNN's Allan Dodds Frank.

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ALLAN DODDS FRANK, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): At a Senate banking committee hearing, revelations that after the closure of a notorious money laundering bank hurt Osama bin Laden, he started his own bank. Senator John Kerry investigated the Bank of Credit and Commerce International a decade ago, and says Osama bin Laden had a number of accounts there.

SEN. JOHN KERRY (D), MASSACHUSETTS: We've learned since, through law enforcement and intelligence, that when we shut it down we dealt him a very serious economic blow.

FRANK: Senator Carl Levin highlighted reported relationships between western banks and the Al Shamal Islamic bank, a bank in Sudan believed to have been established by Osama bin Laden with $50 million in 1991.

SEN. CARL LEVIN (D), MICHIGAN: As of today, the Web site of that Sudanese bank shows that they still have correspondent banking relations with Western banks, including American banks. Now, we think the American bank accounts are either closed or no longer operative.

FRANK: The correspondent banks, 15 in all, operate in financial centers ranging from Germany, France and England to Indonesia, South Africa and China. Senator Phil Gramm, who last year blocked some tougher legislation, cautioned against laws that would allow treasury to freeze assets indiscriminately.

SEN. PHIL GRAMM (R), TEXAS: If a guy named Bobby bin Loden from Iran, Texas, has his assets frozen, then he has an opportunity on a timely basis to come forward and say, "I'm from Iran, Texas, my name's Loden. You made a mistake here."

FRANK (on camera): Senator Gramm notwithstanding, the mood on Capitol Hill almost certainly means a broad package of legislation governing banks, brokerages, money exchanges and other financial institutions will soon be passed.

Allan Dodds Frank, CNN financial news, Washington.

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HARRIS: Author Jeffrey Robinson thinks authorities have little chance of shutting off the money pipeline to terrorists. His two books are eye-opening studies of worldwide organized crime and money laundering.

Jeffrey Robinson joins us this morning from London once again -- good to have you back. How are you?

JEFFREY ROBINSON, AUTHOR: It's always a pleasure. Good to talk to you, Leon. Hi.

HARRIS: Let's start off with the report we just saw -- Allan Dodds Frank's report about this BCCI bank that was shut down here in the United States, and even though it was actually started with terrorist money, if you will. Now, that really presents just how big this problem is, does it not?

ROBINSON: Does it indeed! BCCI was nothing but a toilet of dirty money. I mean, the whole thing was a money laundering sink. That was a bank that had more branches in Medellin, Columbia than, I think, any other city in the world. It was a real piece of work. It was a Pakistani bank that was invented to launder money.

The interesting thing about that is that when the CIA was busy inventing Mr. bin Laden and supporting the rebels in Afghanistan, they were laundering money through BCCI. The Iran-Contra scandal went through BCCI. There's an awful lot of very dirty linen in that bank.

Now, those records still exist someplace, somewhere, somebody can get a hold of the money trail through BCCI.

HARRIS: And as it turned out, that bank did not collapse -- it didn't get shut down because of any anti-terrorism activity. It just got shut down because it collapsed actually. But there are other banks out there. As a matter of fact, I read a report this morning about a bank in Sudan that Osama bin Laden is said to have started with some $50 million.

How do you actually find a bank that's been started by dirty money in a case like that?
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[blm]

84. Because he was going into the oval office to open up the books and let

people see for themselves.

And you and your cover up buddies all know it.

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91. Because the crimes committed in BCCI could only have happened WITH Bush

cooperating and protecting them. You think Bush was head of the CIA, VP and P without knowing what was going on?

Funny, how all his pals from the mideast were involved, including Khassoggi, and AQKhan.

And Kerry would need the open books and its documents to make the charges so the American people could understand what happened - and it would hurt Clinton, too, as he had chosen in 1993 to NOT open the books to public view.

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97. BALONEY!!! There are plenty of BOOKS to read, sunshine. TRY IT instead of

living in a constant state of denial.

And if Bush2 was so innocent, he sure was dumb making deals with Salem Bin Laden who was arrested over his BCCI dealings.

Or does the name James Bath not ring a bell for you?

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[blm]

108. You answer REAL history with GOP claptrap - that makes you full of it.

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[VOX]

58. Oh, c'mon, man!! How about "No Ken Starr, No Lewinsky?"

Let's take it to the source: Starr's "investigation" was anything but independent. It was **marinated** in right-wing horseflop, including various conflicts of interest, illegal leaks, perjury traps, prosecution that became persecution, and serious ties to Richard Mellon Scaife, the billionaire s.o.b. who bankrolled the trumped-up "scandals." :grr:

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[cui bono]

71. by that logic Lewinski = stolen election. I think not.

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[cui bono]

111. the fact is they DID steal the election, so Rove+Bush+Harris+Jeb+Fox+

on and on=Bush as President.

THAT is why Bush is president.

[midnight]

78. I do believe that when this bunch is thrown out that we will

find out that the real reason bush was president was because he stole it.

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[Sydnie]

2. Gawd, I miss him!

::::::sigh:::::

[Suziq]

15. Me Too . . . . .

bigtime! *******sigh*******

[Botany]

18. Me too

Damn this would have been year 5 of President Gore if
not for the coup of 2000.

[calimary]

73. Me too.

:(

But one other thing is really great to see. It's stunning - he really IS a rock star. And you have to know that any freepers or bush lovers who see pictures like this have to be eaten alive with jealousy. THEIR guy doesn't get this kind of response, that's for damned sure. Their guy doesn't even dare to venture out into big public gatherings like this to shake hands. He's confined to safe, secure airport tarmacs and posed, pre-fab photo-ops inside private, invitation-only dinners and sanitized (for his protection) presentations in front of rows of soldiers (following orders to applaud and smile). He couldn't possibly do a meet-n-greet like Clinton frequently enjoys. Too risky. What does THAT tell you?

[Maat]

3. Hey, he's looking at a Prius!

I'm the proud owner of a Prius; and my hubby is even comfortable in it (despite being tall).

[MurrayDelph]

22. Looks like the Plug-in type

where you can switch it to Electric only (unless gasoline absolutely needed, i.e. Freeway
driving), and recharge the batteries from house current. I wish I could retrofit my Prius to
handle that: my job is only twelve miles from home; with that retrofit I would barely need
gas (and the solar inverters get installed next month).

[Maat]

69. I feel the same way.

I heard that there are people who retrofit, but that it invalidates the Toyota warranties.

[AndyA]

4. Clinton looks great. What a handsome man. So Presidential.

Unlike that thug we have in office now.

What a contrast between Clinton and Bush. Couldn't be more different.

[jhrobbins]

30. And he can string sentences together like a virtuoso - unlike some

[calimary]

74. No kidding! What a contrast indeed.

Like a stormy night and a sunshiney day.

[Kadie]

110. It is so refreshing to see him.

Glad to see him here in California for prop 87.

[JuniperLea]

5. I'd be willing to bet Bush would never get that close to a bunch of

college kids... not without their signatures on a loyalty oath.

How refreshing to see a truly loved and admired President mingle with regular ol' Americans.

[Felinity]

123. Check with Jeb on that one

I'll bet he'd agree with you. I don't think Jeb will be visiting any more yankee college campuses again in the near future, now that he's out of the closet!


Hee hee hee.

[Rex]

6. Our last official POTUS.

How I miss those days. Now we have an * as POTUS. :(

[SaveElmer]

7. Man he looks like he is in great shape...

He looked like he was gettin old after his surgery, but he is lookin fit now!

[Ignacio Upton]

9. His salt and pepper hair is LONG GONE though

He looks much older than he did in 2001 or even 2003.

[BuyingThyme]

8. !kciK

[rhiannon55]

10. I love that man!

and always will. Sigh...

[SeattleGirl]

11. I miss having a REAL President in office.

*sigh*

[sinkingfeeling]

12. A real human being instead of a mechanical monkey...what a Pres!

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[sinkingfeeling]

27. OK, I'll change it to 'esteemed' or 'admirable' human being. The

contrast is to Chimpy, who is both evil and stupid, in my opinion, and comes across as having no concern for anyone or anything other than himself. Bush is an ugly human being, no matter how much he calls himself a Christian.

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[Libby2]

93. You got that right Bush is horribly stupid.

[kestrel91316]

103. Go piss on somebody else's parade.

[tishaLA]

13. I saw him at UCLA today

He looked great and he had hoards of people waiting to see him....people must have started lining up early in the morning!

[tinfoilinfor2005]

14. Thank you for these!!

I've had my FILL of dubya pictures, even those that make him look like an idiot (well, duh...). So nice to look at a handsome intelligent face for a change!

[durrrty libby]

16. Oh my...he warms my heart

He looks great


:loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

[wicket]

17. Amen to that

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

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[sinkingfeeling]

29. Are you a troll or just envious of Clinton's continuing popularity?

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[bronxiteforever]

41. The Cole????

What about the Cole?

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[bronxiteforever]

64. Good points-force also was impossible before the election in Oct 2000

Remember "wag the dog" and Rushbots screaming against the use of force by Clinton. The real issue is why Bush didn't even think about the Cole for 11 months until 9/11.

[sinkingfeeling]

42. Don't know. I live in Arkansas and have met the Clintons on a couple

of occasions. I find President Clinton to be very charismatic. I love to listen to him talk and frankly, enjoyed being around him. When living in a country with 300 million people and a vast geographic area, to have the opportunity to personally 'shake hands' or speak to a president, is usually considered a memorable experience. For the last 6 years, the 'office' of the president has been closed to the vast majority for even that kind of experience.

[blm]

46. Talk to Cheney about the USS Cole - Halliburton was in charge of refueling

in Yemen. Gee - you think he arranged for it to happen, or were his workers just THAT negligent?

[Richard Steele]

66. And yet you just seem terribly, pathetically DESPERATE to deride the man.

This last "complaint" just shows that there is NO
Anti-Clinton straw too thin for you to grasp at.

What's the deal with your creepy Clinton obsession;
did he kick your dog or something?

Your broken-record spiel is just getting SAD now.
Do YOURSELF a favor, and give it a REST already!

[kestrel91316]

105. I think we all have got this low-post-count twerp figured out.

[acmejack]

32. The adulation of this person here is simply freaky.

"Big Dawg" this and "Big Dawg" that. A draft dodging DLCer who sold out the working man. With friends like him, the middle class doesn't need enemies. NAFTA, GATT, & "Welfare Reform", what a pal. But people here adore him and his wife, they'll find a thousand excuses for them.

[jhrobbins]

37. Where are you from? You don't sound/type like an American -

it's like you are translating to English - the language sounds stilted a bit.

[AlCzervik]

39. ok i think we get it, you don't like Clinton.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

45. Interesting question.

Perhaps these folks could weigh in.

[Sapere aude]

55. Those folks are staged.

[Sydnie]

67. and these too

From all over the world!

[WorseBeforeBetter]

116. That's what I was hoping to put together...

but was at work and didn't have time. Thank you!

[Sapere aude]

47. You damn Clinton haters should really get over it. That's like a cancer

in your organism. We hate Bush but he will never be revered like Clinton. It will be easy to get over our hatred of Bush. He will be remembered as the worst President this country ever had.

[Catherine Vincent]

50. My baby looks so good!

I can't imagine how he feels when everytime he steps foot outside everyone is always gawking at him or pushing to shake his hand. I soooo miss him!

[Cameron27]

59. I miss him too and

I think that the great emotional response BC gets every time he's in a crowd is due to the fact that despite everything he's been through, he still genuinely likes and trusts people.

[Xenotime]

54. What an amazing man. He is a true American.

[stepnw1f]

60. One of the Best Presidents We Have Had (nt)

[Cha]

65. I was hoping he would be there

to campaign with Phil Angelides, too!

[La_Fourmi_Rouge]

70. Love that shock of white hair!

Just like my mom... I hope he lives as long as her.

[yebrent]

72. Gore's Yes on 87 adds are already running in the state.

Good to see Clinton joining the effort.

Oil companies are spending a ton of money to try to defeat it. Currently they have a BS add running, saying that all the major California newspapers have come out against it (showing clips of headlines). While in fact, the oil companies have simply used their clout to get right-wing editorials against prop 87 printed in all the newspapers, which are usually lined up next to editorials for prop 87.

[fleabert]

106. I was actually torn after that ad campaign, and knew I had some reading to

do, until I saw my man Gore up there. I'll follow his lead on the environment any day.

[DesertRat]

85. Big Dog looks great

I really miss him. :loveya:

[Libby2]

90. Damn he looks good.

I miss him.

[Alamom]

94. He does ....

& me, too.

[pinto]

114. Just an FYI for the thread, the member formerly known as silko

is no longer with us, hence the numerous deleted posts. Thanks.

[Inspired]

115. I wondered what was up with this thread. n/t

[calimary]

119. Ah, thanks. I came back in a little late and missed the "fun."

They just can't let go, can they? Probably even more ferocious now that they see their spoiled little shitwad circling the drain, along with so many of his little friends. Perhaps they're getting desperate. I'll say this again - as I've pointed out in various "mean jean" schmidt and katherine harris threads - as you age, you get the face you deserve. Compare Clinton and bush. More proof.

[MzNov]

117. Love that light blue tie and navy suit! nt

[Toucano]

118. Thanks Big Dog. I still love you. n/t

[sandnsea]

120. Awww crap

No wonder Hillary can't dump the guy. What is it about him that always gives you so damn much hope!! Great pics, good to see the Big Dog campaigning for a CLEAN ENERGY ECONOMY!!!.

[AtomicKitten]

121. I've got nothing but love for the Big Dawg.

He's the most brilliant politician of our time.