What is the worst thing about extreme RW fundie religion?

[Rocknrule]

For me, it's how they make it sound like Jesus came to earth, said "Gays bad, vote for Bush" and went right back up to heaven. That and the way they play the victim and whine about being persecuted whenever anyone tries to stop them from forcing their beliefs on everyone else.

[VelmaD]

1. their deep hatred of women...

the way they treat us like we're somehow not fully human

[MountainLaurel]

5. Yeah that.

:applause:

[etherealtruth]

38. I'd just stop at ...

... their deep hatred.

[seabeyond]

2. their hypocrisy..... n/t

[indepat]

25. Their hypocrisy and sanctimoniousness and reichousness and mendaciousness

and duplicitiousness and brainwashedness, and lack of critical thinkeness and yes, the holier than thouness.

[seabeyond]

34. ya... well.... ? was only one, worst thing, i figure hypocrisy would

cover most all you say, but i hear you brother/sistah.... shout it out. sure is hard to limit to one when there is soooo much.

preach it, wink....

[indepat]

46. Agree: I was just listing the single solitary bundle wound so tightly to

be able to separate one from the other because it is a single solitary warped madness.

[seabeyond]

50. clever you..... n/t

[Avalux]

3. Intolerance.

Intolerance for others who are different than them is at the root of all their stupid beliefs.

[Taverner]

4. Their lack of reason

Think about it - their homophobia, hatred of women, intolerance and bigotry all stems from their lack of reason.

[Lindacooks]

61. Yep, it's like deliberate mindlessness.

They have no logical reasoning skills, which is why, no matter what happens, God always 'wins'. Praying for a medical miracle? If your loved one get betters, God has blessed you. If your loved one dies anyway? It's God's will.

It's infuriating, is what it is.

[NC_Nurse]

6. The proselytizing.

Believe whatever you want - and keep it to yourself unless someone ASKS to hear about it.

Don't expect others to adhere to your BELIEFS which are not FACT and should be between an individual and the God/spirit/whatever they choose to believe or not believe.

[zonmoy]

22. if only they would simply stop at proselytizing

instead of doing their best to install their religious delusions as the law of the land and find every other possible way to coerce their beliefs on others.

[Hekate]

7. Please distinguish by adding "extreme RW" to that.Fundy, as such,isn't bad

Just Hekate's voice for peace, understanding, and clarity in discourse. There are DUer Christians who are right to feel dissed by the lack of clarity that sometimes obtains on this board.

For me, the problem with extreme right-wing fundamentalism is the closing of minds and hearts to other points of view.

Hekate

[noahmijo]

8. Everything I hate them more than any other human type

And I'm still begging Jesus to do us all a favor and rapture their asses up there with him already-problem is I guess even he wants nothing to do with them.

[jhrobbins]

9. I think it is their myopia and their lack of imagination and critical t...

I am a CHristian and yet I believe in evolution and much of the issues that they find anathema. They need to realize that G_d is so much more than they think and in some instances, perhaps not as much. They anthropomorphize him/her/it and I'm not sure this is a good thing.

[xchrom]

10. fundies MUST have enemies in order to justify their faith.

there are profoundly christian folk who feel nothing even approaching that idea.

they are all about women owning their bodies -- gay is as natural as straight -- sex is not bad -- jesus is/was nor will ever be a warrior.

[mmonk]

11. It's the 21st century and there are still people that think

like that. That by far is the worst thing.

[AlinPA]

12. Their stupid bigotry based on their ignorance.

[AnneD]

18. Their ignorance...

of their own faith. They rely on their religious 'leaders' to spoon feed them the message that Christ delivered. This is (not surprisingly) similar to Moslem fundamentalist that rely on the mullahs to provide the translation rather that read it for themselves. Imagine my surprise when I read the Koran. It wasn't anything like I had been lead to believe.

[Solly Mack]

13. That it exist .Period.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

14. They feel superior to others, & thus have the right to be judgmental

[BlooInBloo]

15. That they encourage everyone to be as stupid as they are...

... I must compliment them, however, on their smashing success in that (evil) programme.

[Lexingtonian]

16. I feel sorry for their kids

It takes a lot to recover from the trauma these people inflict on their own.

[earth mom]

17. The fundies thrive on Hypocrisy & Hate & Greed.

:puke:

[libnnc]

19. The fundies I've known

were very judgemental and could be astonishingly cruel and unfeeling towards people they considered "not saved". They were right and everyone else was wrong and that was that. They talked about God's love but in their next breath would make fun of poor people or those less fortunate.

Made me sick as a dog to listen to them. Still does.

[Rocknrule]

20. They think Jesus is a Republican

[calico1]

21. The worst thing about these people who pass

for "religious fundamentalists" today but who love war, killing, are racist and classist is that they are not really religious. What they practice is some warped, twisted version of what they think is Christianity but which they twist to suit their own beliefs. And worse than that is they give a bad name to people who are truly religious.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

23. Same thing that's wrong with any extreme religion.

My god is better than your god. I know this because my god told me so. Your god is a false god; therefore you must renounce your god and believe in mine. I will force you to believe in my god using the power of the state, and violence if necessary. Accept my kind, loving, merciful god or I'll kill you.

[TheFarseer]

24. They confuse anything bush does with good

and anything he doesn't like with bad - abortion bad, gays bad, tax cuts good, war with Iraq good. What in the world makes them think Jesus would endorse a war for no reason with Iraq or fiscally irresponsible tax cuts for the rich?

[Vinca]

26. They talk the talk, but don't walk the walk.

How many homes for poor people could you build instead of erecting "crystal cathedrals?" Of course, that describes the Catholics, too, I suppose. I might be kinder to the Pope if he liquidated some art and fed the hungry.

[Tanuki]

27. For me, it was being 10 years old and sure I was going to hell

because I had a questioning mind and no interest in proselytizing my classmates or anyone else. I can actually remember thinking I would have been better off if I had died when I was five years old because I had not reached the "age of accountability" and hence would have gone to heaven. I still have a certain amount of bitterness toward the people who blighted my childhood in that manner. Even if they stayed out of politics, they propagate a very damaging mind set. The best part was that there was a lot of emphasis on reading the Bible, and I still think that Jesus' social gospel is a good path to live by. I don't understand how they miss the point of what it's all about.

[upi402]

28. answer; it's existence n/t

:patriot:

[proud patriot]

29. That they put kids in a place of judgement

teaching them that non-christains will burn in hell.

That is my biggest problem with it .

[Rocknrule]

30. That, and that everyone DESERVES to burn in hell (except them of course)

which I don't believe anymore since I'm Universalist now

I think that doctrine is one of fundie Christianity's worst: it causes people to look down on themselves and others

[proud patriot]

36. I totally agree

I'm starting to think about joining a
UU church we have a great one near us .

[Rocknrule]

51. I'm Universalist, not Unitarian

The difference is, regular Universalists believe that Jesus is the way to heaven, but that everyone will eventually chose him in the end, before or after they die. Unitarians, I believe, think that all religions lead to God.

[ktowntennesseedem]

31. Their insecurity.

They claim to have such faith, but insist upon easy-to-figure-out doctrine and easy-to-remember phrases that help to keep their faith, well, "easy." As long as you agree with them on a handful of basic issues, all is well. But as soon as you start probing into more weighty theological matters and try to tackle ages-old mysteries for which there are no easy answers, then they either get very defensive and criticize you for your lack of faith, or they clam up because not having the answer makes them so uneasy and afraid (as if God frowns on our asking questions!) This then leads to their whining about being persecuted, which makes no sense whatsoever when you stop to remember that persecution because of your faith is supposed to be GOOD thing ("Blessed are you when others persecute you...")

I'm quite secure in my Christian faith, therefore I am not afraid of discussing and even considering alternate opinions and views. Those RWers who know me probably think I've lost my faith because I've strayed so far from my heritage and disagree with them on so much.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

32. That they have blocked or clouded the Path to God

for many, due to their worship of certain politicians. This is a perversion in re: the Christians out there on their own personal journeys to find God.

[tsuki]

33. Using the birth of our Lord to spread hate and division. n/t

[leftofthedial]

35. its inevitability

humanity can't seem to get rid of it

it comes back every hundred years or so, worse than the last time

[valerief]

37. If they stayed out of government, I could care less what they do. nt

[FooFootheSnoo]

66. yes, #37 and #39

It's their arrogance that I hate more than anything. Their arrogance makes them so sure of their beliefs that they feel the need to make everyone live the way they do hence their involvement in politics. The arrogance explains a lot of their behavior and mindset. If they practiced humility, like they are supposed to, they would be a lot more bearable!!

[frebrd]

39. Their arrogance

The pathological need to force everyone else to live according to their ignorant fundy beliefs.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

40. That they have become the face of Christianity in the popular media

getting all the headlines and the appearances on talking head TV and talk radio, while the activities of liberal Christians are relegated to page B29 of the local paper, with the result that those who are not themselves Christians think that all Christians are ignorant bigots.

[Bill McBlueState]

41. their belief in propositions for which there is no evidence

I think all their other problems flow from that. Once you're willing to believe one thing that can't be proven, there's no telling where you'll stop.

[BootinUp]

42. Using the Old Testament to write

todays legislation.


They completely overlook so many of Jesus's core messages.

[Fleshdancer]

43. The absence of Jesus' teachings in their actions

Or, in other words, the hate, greed and arrogance.

[mnhtnbb]

44. Refusing to use the brain God gave them to process new information

Science is abhorent to them. Reason is abhorent to them. Thinking for oneself is abhorent to them.

Uncertainty is scary to these people, so they opt for 'faith' in someone who will tell them what to think, value, do.

[sutz12]

45. It's all religion and NO spirituality...

Religion is doctrine and ideology, most of which is intended to divide and tribalize.

True spirituality brings people together to share hope and suffering.

[davekriss]

47. Of course, Jesus never said anything of that sort (eom)

[MazeRat7]

48. The lack of critical thought.... (n/t)

[rzemanfl]

49. They are allowed to breed. n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

52. Same Thing As With Any Extremist: Intolerance, Arrogance And The

completely ignorant assertion that they have the magical power to have opinion transcend fact. That's what I always hate most about extremists. They fail to comprehend that an opinion is an opinion and that opinions can never overcome fact, or be presented as fact. When they are, it not only shows ignorance, but that's where the intolerance comes in. As long as someone recognizes their views are an opinion, they have to then understand too that leaves wiggle room, if even only slight in their minds, for an alternate opinion. But when they are ignorant and arrogant enough to cast their opinion as fact, any wiggle room, even if slight, is completely erradicated and therefore they have no ability to be tolerant of someone else's opinion.

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[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

56. What The Hell Are You Talking About Omega? Why The Personal Attack Omega?

Why are you attacking a poster personally in an unprovoked fashion?

Do you not agree with the statements Omega? Can you reply to the context instead of using unprovoked childish attack? Can you explain what about the direct context of my post you disagreed with?

Thanks. :hi:

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[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

59. Stop The Personal Attacks Omega, They're Quite Uncalled For.

Furthermore, I have never displayed intolerance, as I rail against such concepts whenever I see them (as you well know), and I have never offered opinion as fact, since that concept I also constantly rail against.

My only MO is fighting against those concepts you listed, as is blatantly clear in my posts. I would wager if I asked for you to supply any proof whatsoever that I've ever consistently shown intolerance or passed off opinion as fact that you would completely fail to be able to do so.

So please stop the baseless attacks, Omega. You have no leg to stand on with them.

:hi:

[omega minimo]

60. "Intolerance, Arrogance, Opinion As Fact" Oh I'm sorry, that wasn't irony?

:shrug:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

62. Keep Repeating It Like A Parrot Omega. Parrots Can't Offer Substance To

back up their statements either.

[Hubert Flottz]

53. George W Bush...

[Richard Steele]

54. The fact that they condition people to reject "critical thinking".

ALL of their abuses of humanity DEPEND upon that.

"Organized Religion" has done many things, both good and bad.

And few of the 'good' things would be hindered in any way
by believers who could think for themselves.

But few of the BAD things would ever have been possible
without the preexistence of large groups of mindless,
brainwashed FOLLOWERS.

[zreosumgame]

57. how willing they are to abuse in the name of GAWD

and how willingly they make liars and hypocrits of themselves and then claim to have any kind of morality. And their hatred of anyone who passes judgement on them while spewing unthought out and vile judgements of their own.

[Jed Dilligan]

63. Very hard to say

Despite all the hateful warlike things they do, I want to say, their music.

edit for clarity

[Wiley50]

64. It's RW and Fundy. OH, and the religeon part too.

Seriously, There are a whole bunch of people who have been damaged from birth by fundamentalism and
not only can't think for themselves b ut don't even realize it is a problem.

Religeon has historicly caused more people to die unnessesarily
than any other reason. It needs to be outlawed.

[smirkymonkey]

65. That it exists at all.

It's a sickness.