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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 05:34 PM Original message |
Suppose your child's 2nd grade teacher wore a face veil in school, |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
1. I wouldn't support my child having such a teacher n/t |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 05:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. I suppose yarmulkes bother you too... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 05:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Yarmulkes don't cover your face |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:02 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Irrelevent, they're still religious dressing. Read my post again. n/t |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:25 PM Response to Reply #19 |
50. Teaching is about communicating |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:21 AM Original message |
Glasses can make your eyes appear squinty. Someone better protect the... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:36 AM Response to Original message |
328. Glasses don't cover up smiles or frowns. |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:48 AM Response to Reply #328 |
335. Pedophiles smile too. What's your point? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:16 AM Response to Reply #335 |
343. My point is that good teachers use nonverbal as well as verbal |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:33 AM Response to Reply #343 |
348. Ok then, what of "funny" accents? I've had some that for the life of me.. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:13 AM Response to Reply #348 |
393. You clearly aren't familiar with the needs of a young child. |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:38 AM Response to Reply #393 |
403. I already pointed out the fallacy you just used there to dismiss me. n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:13 AM Response to Reply #403 |
416. It isn't a fallacy when it is true. |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:20 AM Response to Reply #416 |
419. Yup. Opinions are individual but FACTS belong to everyone. |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:43 AM Response to Reply #419 |
425. And that, elehhhhna, is the actual problem here... |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:59 AM Response to Reply #425 |
426. I s'pose I can enforce my right to wear wooden shoes to work, yah? |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:02 AM Response to Reply #426 |
454. Thanks you two, but I've touched on the "won't work with men" point... |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:10 AM Response to Reply #416 |
456. Re: It isn't a fallacy when it's true. |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:28 AM Response to Reply #456 |
469. You've told a speech pathologist he/she doesn't know jack |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:54 PM Response to Reply #469 |
527. Actually, Divernan |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:21 PM Response to Reply #527 |
573. I'd like someone to point out the post where these credentials are... |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:22 PM Response to Reply #573 |
598. See posts 387 & 575 by "Phylny", a speech language pathologist. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:04 PM Response to Reply #456 |
530. I'm not saying she's guilty of anything. I'm not trying to prove that. |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:18 PM Response to Reply #530 |
571. Yes, and the school hired her. We have to assume they believe... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:24 PM Response to Reply #571 |
599. When they hired her, she wasn't wearing a face veil and she didn't |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:31 PM Response to Reply #571 |
601. She was working there from September 2005 |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:40 PM Response to Reply #343 |
635. So do good parents. Are you suggesting Muslim mothers are bad mothers? |
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Ex Lion Tamer (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 05:44 PM Response to Reply #50 |
701. I have visited a local madrasa (in Indiana), |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 11:52 PM Response to Reply #50 |
759. Connecting with students is important too |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:26 PM Response to Reply #19 |
55. And exactly how are they religious? What do they symbolize? |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:40 PM Response to Reply #55 |
73. Hmmm... don't know much about Islam, do you? |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:01 PM Response to Reply #73 |
98. Read my other posts - I do know Muslim women |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:17 AM Response to Reply #98 |
309. The Koran is the holy word of God to muslims. Just like the Bible, there |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:08 AM Response to Reply #309 |
415. It may not affect her ability to teach |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:11 AM Response to Reply #415 |
458. I have touched on all this elsewhere. n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:15 PM Response to Reply #415 |
535. Another question is how do we, as a secular society, |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:47 PM Response to Reply #535 |
584. Secular laws do not prohibit her veil. As you point out, if muslims.. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:37 PM Response to Reply #584 |
603. In the U.S., teachers and aides who don't have tenure can be |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:30 PM Response to Reply #535 |
600. Agreed |
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GodHelpUsAll2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 10:07 PM Response to Reply #415 |
649. I have this silly |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 01:23 PM Response to Reply #649 |
697. What if the religion itself |
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cushla_machree (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 10:08 PM Response to Reply #309 |
650. my friend lived in saudi arabia |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 06:37 PM Response to Reply #309 |
707. People have explained in length how it negatively affects |
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cushla_machree (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 10:07 PM Response to Reply #73 |
648. right and that was written by men, not woman n/t |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 04:30 PM Response to Reply #73 |
745. If choice regarding the veil is sooo important to Muslims, why aren't |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:13 AM Response to Reply #55 |
304. In the Koran, it calls upon Muslim women to be modest... |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:37 AM Response to Reply #304 |
329. not all Muslim women wear the veils |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:41 AM Response to Reply #329 |
333. That's what I already said. Thanks. n/t |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:39 PM Response to Reply #19 |
71. the objection to them is not because they represent a religion, it's |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:52 PM Response to Reply #71 |
180. Exactly. The problem is not that it's a religious symbol, the problem |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:54 AM Response to Reply #180 |
338. And again think of the poor blind children. Would they be protected... |
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Llewlladdwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:02 AM Response to Reply #338 |
414. Are you seriously suggesting.... |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:00 AM Response to Reply #414 |
453. No, I'm not suggesting that. Thanks for not bothering to read other posts |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:17 PM Response to Reply #414 |
536. That's exactly what she IS suggesting in her other posts. |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:13 PM Response to Reply #536 |
570. But that's exactly what dwickham is doing now... |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 05:51 PM Response to Reply #570 |
617. Sorry, that should be "Divernan" not "dwickham"... |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 05:04 PM Response to Reply #338 |
607. A little confused |
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RapidCreek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 06:23 PM Response to Reply #338 |
704. So now you are speaking for the blind, eh? |
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Scairp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:00 AM Response to Reply #19 |
289. She also won't work with men |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:24 AM Response to Reply #289 |
323. This would be the only point I would conceed: Doesn't want to work w/ men? |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:16 AM Response to Reply #323 |
417. Imagine if |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 10:58 AM Response to Reply #417 |
452. I've already touched on this point elsewhere; almost the same except... |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:10 AM Response to Reply #452 |
457. That may be true, but |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:17 AM Response to Reply #457 |
461. Again, I've touched on that too. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:34 AM Response to Reply #461 |
471. She interviewed without the veil. Then when she was hired she put it on |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:53 PM Response to Reply #471 |
556. This is like her not wanting to work with men. She knew what she... |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 07:33 AM Response to Reply #471 |
672. Yes, I find that verrrrry interesting n/t |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:37 AM Response to Reply #461 |
473. The speech pathologists who have replied to you prove you wrong |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:40 AM Response to Reply #461 |
474. I agree |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:25 PM Response to Reply #461 |
537. The burden of proof is on the teacher to prove she can teach well. |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:50 PM Response to Reply #537 |
552. They hired her, and if I understand correctly, they've kept her... |
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RapidCreek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 06:48 PM Response to Reply #461 |
710. No one is forcing her to do anything |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 06:47 PM Response to Reply #452 |
709. I think it should be illegal for anyone to cover their faces in public,. |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 01:52 AM Response to Reply #11 |
666. If you'd had some of the teachers I had |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:33 PM Response to Reply #8 |
63. So you don't think nonverbal communication is important, |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:24 PM Response to Reply #63 |
203. Nonverbal communication involves facial expressions. |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:51 AM Response to Reply #203 |
337. I guess blind children will never get a proper education then... |
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phylny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:18 AM Response to Reply #337 |
387. Blind children ARE at a disadvantage both in learning language and |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:36 AM Response to Reply #387 |
402. Are these children stuck with this teacher through their entire childhood? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:32 PM Response to Reply #402 |
541. That information was completely RELEVANT to this discussion. |
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phylny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:28 PM Response to Reply #402 |
575. Of course not. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:17 AM Response to Reply #387 |
463. Thanks for a sensible response from a person of |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:28 PM Response to Reply #387 |
539. Thank you for the useful information. 65% of communication is nonverbal. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:29 AM Response to Reply #337 |
397. Blind children can compensate |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:32 AM Response to Reply #397 |
400. BUT BLIND CHILDREN CAN'T SEE HER FACE!!! |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:41 AM Response to Reply #400 |
405. They feel the teacher's face!! |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:33 AM Response to Reply #405 |
470. Congrats! Somebody finally shut DRose up! |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:42 AM Response to Reply #470 |
476. Some people just like to argue |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:46 PM Response to Reply #470 |
547. Deleted message |
Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:16 PM Response to Reply #547 |
595. People with weak arguments resort to name calling. |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 05:50 PM Response to Reply #595 |
616. Where have I resorted to namecalling? Apologies to dwickham... |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:03 PM Response to Reply #616 |
655. In your message which has been deleted! |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:51 PM Response to Reply #405 |
586. dwickham spoke too soon: Possibly conceeding and a response to lips... |
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RapidCreek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 07:07 PM Response to Reply #400 |
712. The difference is.....my kid is DEAF, you ******* |
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greblc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-19-06 12:05 AM Response to Reply #400 |
760. What about Deaf Children who read lips? |
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YellowRubberDuckie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
80. Answer something for me... |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:19 AM Response to Reply #80 |
313. No, it's cross-cultural. Has been around for centuries in varied forms... |
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YellowRubberDuckie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:18 PM Response to Reply #313 |
632. Sort of what I asked, but doesn't answer my question. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 08:17 PM Response to Reply #8 |
140. She has no rights to dress any way she feels like, in a public school. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 08:19 AM Response to Reply #8 |
674. Yes yarmulkes, crosses, all badges of organized stupidity should be banned |
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greblc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 11:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
758. Pharmacists who will not disperse Birth Control... |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
207. I would hope that my mother would tell the principal I needed |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:14 AM Response to Reply #207 |
306. Our principal accepts no input from parents about teachers, although |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:00 AM Response to Reply #306 |
341. LibFighter, pnwmom: These two responses are among the most reasoned... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:22 AM Response to Reply #341 |
344. You don't seem to have actually read my post. |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:34 AM Response to Reply #344 |
350. You apparently didn't read mine. I talked about your potential reaction |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:06 AM Response to Reply #350 |
373. Did you even read your own post? I did, |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:55 AM Response to Reply #373 |
382. Well, you just demonstrated your unwillingness to read my post... again... |
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RapidCreek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 07:36 PM Response to Reply #382 |
715. Let me see if I understand you here |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
2. I don't see that it matters. |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 05:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
13. Mommy, WHY does she wear a veil? |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Mommy, why are those two women kissing? |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:16 PM Response to Reply #21 |
42. Excuse me? We're discussing classroom behavior by people in authority. |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:40 PM Response to Reply #42 |
74. Veils are rare in Turkey, it is a secular country. |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:40 AM Response to Reply #42 |
332. Thanks but I've had education about Islam for years as well as how NOT... |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 06:25 PM Response to Reply #332 |
705. Salman Rushie also has had years of Islamic education plus |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:24 PM Response to Reply #21 |
49. Fine - Let's see you live your life covered from head to toe under threat |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:01 AM Response to Reply #49 |
342. Again, this is hyperbole. Not all women who cover are forced or threatened |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:08 PM Response to Reply #13 |
28. If only that were the most difficult thing I ever had to explain to my kid |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:48 PM Response to Reply #28 |
128. What is the age appropriate way of explaining |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:52 PM Response to Reply #128 |
179. Try "Her religion has customs about how people should dress, eat and |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:59 AM Response to Reply #179 |
372. No, that doesn't explain it at all |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:49 AM Response to Reply #372 |
412. Fine then -- "her culture has this custom". |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:11 AM Response to Reply #412 |
427. You mean like: |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:13 AM Response to Reply #427 |
429. Yes, that's exactly what you'd say - if you're a psycho. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:20 AM Response to Reply #429 |
430. So try it. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:24 AM Response to Reply #430 |
431. It depends on the kid and the circumstance, and it's not |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:32 AM Response to Reply #431 |
434. I'd credit your daughters with normal inquisitiveness |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:36 AM Response to Reply #434 |
437. They're not stupid enough to ask if they should wear a veil because |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:47 AM Response to Reply #437 |
440. Neither, but I don't appreciate the comparisons to |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:49 AM Response to Reply #440 |
441. I don't appreciate intentional obtuseness. |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:48 AM Response to Reply #441 |
478. If anyone is intentionally obtuse, it's you. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:51 AM Response to Reply #478 |
480. I've never advocated lying to my kids. |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:28 PM Response to Reply #480 |
498. Right! That's why I got a national award for teaching a class that |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:31 PM Response to Reply #498 |
501. All the more reason it's a pity for you to lie. |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:47 PM Response to Reply #501 |
505. Your proposed answer is untrue |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:53 PM Response to Reply #505 |
506. But it's not untrue. |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:57 PM Response to Reply #506 |
509. Why aren't the men veiled also? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:01 PM Response to Reply #509 |
511. Because in her religion that's the split. |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:17 PM Response to Reply #511 |
517. I chose not to raise my kids believing that sexual inequities |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:29 PM Response to Reply #517 |
524. How do you propose they not tolerate or accept it? |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:11 PM Response to Reply #524 |
533. The Caged Virgin: A Muslim Woman's Cry for Reason |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:13 PM Response to Reply #533 |
534. Again, how specifically do you suggest my daughters not tolerate |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:27 PM Response to Reply #534 |
538. Your daughter should have to do nothing. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:28 PM Response to Reply #538 |
540. You mean now these perfectly nice girls can't wear their |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:45 PM Response to Reply #540 |
546. They are not wearing face veils, you said - be clear about that |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:52 PM Response to Reply #546 |
554. I don't know how else to describe this other than veiled. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:00 PM Response to Reply #554 |
560. The issue here is not hair veils -- it is FACE veils. Masks. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:04 PM Response to Reply #560 |
563. No - in this sub thread it's quite relevant. |
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twenty4blackbirds (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 01:36 AM Response to Reply #554 |
664. hajib - my colleague wears this version too. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:46 PM Response to Reply #540 |
548. You've read through post 533 |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:54 PM Original message |
I asked you a question - are you saying these girls can't attend |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
562. And I believe that I told you |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:06 PM Response to Reply #562 |
566. Why is it not blatant enough to not be gender inequality |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:25 PM Response to Reply #566 |
574. Well, I'm being generous |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:40 PM Response to Reply #574 |
579. So who in the government should decide which opression |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 05:44 PM Response to Reply #579 |
614. Oh brother |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 05:48 PM Response to Reply #614 |
615. Yes. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:00 PM Response to Reply #615 |
620. The school board should get a legal ruling |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:02 PM Response to Reply #620 |
622. LOL! I'm glad there's still an ACLU to fight for separation of |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:06 PM Response to Reply #622 |
623. I'm a member of the ACLU |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:11 PM Response to Reply #623 |
624. There's something you don't see every day - an anti-free |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:27 PM Response to Reply #624 |
626. Here's something I don't see everyday |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:35 PM Response to Reply #626 |
627. What is imperative is that we have a separation of church and |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:40 PM Response to Reply #524 |
604. mondo joe - thanks for that image |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 05:37 PM Response to Reply #604 |
613. Would you love it as much |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:52 PM Response to Reply #511 |
605. That's an excellent point |
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RapidCreek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 08:12 PM Response to Reply #498 |
718. Jeez I wish you were unmarried and around 43 years old |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 11:17 AM Response to Reply #718 |
729. LOL! You made my day! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:41 PM Response to Reply #440 |
544. I'm sure you realize that when people resort to name calling |
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RapidCreek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 07:56 PM Response to Reply #437 |
716. How would a kid know he or she has a gay teacher? |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 06:45 PM Response to Reply #179 |
708. And customs change and religions evolve. This very fact is the reason |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:20 AM Response to Reply #28 |
374. But a veil over the hair is NOTHING like a veil that covers the whole |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:41 PM Response to Reply #13 |
77. Then answer the damned question and stop "protecting" your |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:56 PM Response to Reply #77 |
133. I'm neither stupid nor have I "protected" my children from other cultures |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:45 PM Response to Reply #133 |
581. In Afghanistan, the women kept their veils |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
185. When I was very young, even before elementary school |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:08 AM Response to Reply #13 |
299. Right, because you wouldn't want children exposed to critical thinking |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 07:01 PM Response to Reply #299 |
711. ... |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 05:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. the "visuability " is only one aspect of the problem |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:15 PM Response to Reply #14 |
41. As long as they don't proselytize, visibility of thier beliefs isn't a |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
69. So if you had a 6 or 7 year old who had a teacher with a face veil, |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:55 PM Response to Reply #69 |
93. I have a 5 1/2 year old. Our neighbor wears a veil. He couldn't care less. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:23 PM Response to Reply #93 |
167. The teacher with burns has no choice. The teacher with a veil does. |
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philosophie_en_rose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 10:16 AM Response to Reply #167 |
446. So as long as "those people" are in "their place," they're okay with you? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:48 PM Response to Reply #446 |
550. Actually, we weren't talking about a burn victim covering her face |
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philosophie_en_rose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 10:23 AM Response to Reply #69 |
447. You can hear smiles in the voice. When I was 8, my teacher had a stroke. |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
245. of course it matters... |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
3. separation of church and state is the key |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
4. I would vehemently object to it - sending the message that the sexes |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 05:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. many many women that chose to wear it wear it for their own |
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Lost-in-FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:05 PM Response to Reply #6 |
25. What if her religion calls for poligamy or pedophilia |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:21 PM Response to Reply #25 |
44. Those things are illegal because they harm others |
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Lost-in-FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:26 PM Response to Reply #44 |
54. The point is that not because is a religious belief |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:58 PM Response to Reply #54 |
97. The point is that it's harmless. |
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Lost-in-FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:07 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. Apparently |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:17 PM Response to Reply #99 |
106. Dress codes generally have exceptions for religious apparel. |
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Lost-in-FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:32 PM Response to Reply #106 |
116. At least there's exceptions to the dress code |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:42 PM Response to Reply #116 |
125. See post 117 |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:50 PM Response to Reply #125 |
178. I know a man who taught preschool for 15 years, so that's not a solution! |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:57 PM Response to Reply #178 |
184. Well, that's hardly the norm |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:03 PM Response to Reply #184 |
187. That's certainly true. She has other options, and she should look |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:26 PM Response to Reply #97 |
111. Did you miss the part where she is demanding to not work with men? |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:34 PM Response to Reply #111 |
117. The thread was about veiling, and the OP suggested more of a hypothetical |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:44 PM Response to Reply #117 |
126. I suggest option b |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:52 PM Response to Reply #126 |
131. Oh I do too |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:38 PM Response to Reply #111 |
578. You Realize This Never Happened, Don't You? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:02 PM Response to Reply #578 |
621. The article in the OP was misleading on this point. Thanks for correcting. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:54 PM Response to Reply #97 |
132. Though she didn't wear the veil for the interview |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:28 PM Response to Reply #132 |
212. So she chose to be interviewed without the veil? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:39 AM Response to Reply #132 |
352. That seems kind of sneaky, doesn't it? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:55 PM Response to Reply #97 |
183. She wouldn't wear a veil all day if she were alone with her own |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:04 PM Response to Reply #44 |
157. Couldn't it be harmful to a child who is deprived of nonverbal |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:55 PM Response to Reply #157 |
182. Are blind children deprived of a complete absence of seeing |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:00 PM Response to Reply #182 |
186. Yes. I have a friend who is blind and she would definitely say that that |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:03 PM Response to Reply #186 |
188. Funny - I have known blind people who seem quite functional and |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:24 PM Response to Reply #188 |
206. But the one teacher is the ONLY teacher for an elementary student, and |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:32 PM Response to Reply #206 |
217. It would certainly be odd. But my daughters are smart and capable. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:34 PM Response to Reply #217 |
218. I'm glad for your daughters, really. But some kids are more sensitive |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:37 PM Response to Reply #218 |
224. And if a teacher wore a mask to cover a disfigurement, or had |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:40 PM Response to Reply #224 |
229. You have completely ignored handicapped children. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:44 PM Response to Reply #229 |
233. I addressed that in another post. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:47 PM Response to Reply #224 |
235. What about a poor teacher with a veil? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:50 PM Response to Reply #235 |
238. I don't think the veil is an issue. Quality of teaching is. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:31 PM Response to Reply #238 |
266. Unless your kids were deaf, or perhaps Aspies with enough trouble |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:34 PM Response to Reply #266 |
269. "Tough shit"? Hm, I don't recall saying that. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:45 PM Response to Reply #269 |
274. And what if you taught in a secular school? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:48 PM Response to Reply #274 |
276. As I said, it would depend on the circumstances and the available |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:54 PM Response to Reply #276 |
279. That;'s all the article is pointing out too. Read it again then |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:57 PM Response to Reply #279 |
283. I was addressing the hypothetical question posed by the OP. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:16 AM Response to Reply #283 |
307. But even theoretically addressing just the one question in the article |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:19 AM Response to Reply #307 |
314. I'm a brazilian times more worried about non veiled teachers using the |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:23 AM Response to Reply #314 |
321. But this is the thin edge of where church and state separation exists |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:26 AM Response to Reply #321 |
324. Fine - you've stated your opinion, I've stated mine. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:37 AM Response to Reply #314 |
351. Perhaps that's a function of the city you're living in. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:41 AM Response to Reply #307 |
354. I also suspect that a lot of the veil-promoters here |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:45 AM Response to Reply #354 |
408. Veil-PROMOTERS? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:47 AM Response to Reply #408 |
411. Nope. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:48 PM Response to Reply #408 |
646. kinda like pro abortion..... geez n/t |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:34 PM Response to Reply #354 |
643. here it is -- right out in the open -- "veil promoters" indeed |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:11 AM Response to Reply #266 |
302. Actually, in relation to a woman with a veil we are all Aspies, in a way, |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:16 AM Response to Reply #302 |
308. The US School Crisis: Tidal waves of veileed teachers and Asperger's |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:35 AM Response to Reply #308 |
327. You're out of touch. In my son's class he has had at least two |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:29 PM Response to Reply #182 |
214. Their other senses are usually heightened |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:36 PM Response to Reply #214 |
223. Yeah, deaf, lip reading children can "see" just what their fully face |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:16 PM Response to Reply #214 |
253. But one way a deaf child's brain would compensate would be to |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:32 AM Response to Reply #253 |
399. Yes this teacher would not do well with any handicapped kids |
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cushla_machree (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 10:15 PM Response to Reply #399 |
653. most people have no idea |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 01:16 AM Response to Reply #653 |
659. it should be a no-brainer that this thread is complete BS |
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cushla_machree (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 01:02 PM Response to Reply #659 |
696. In most Afghan villages, women rarely wear the burka |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 01:29 PM Response to Reply #696 |
698. No, the press did not report anything of the kind -- if you have links |
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cushla_machree (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 01:41 PM Response to Reply #698 |
699. I think of a lot of it is crap since she is a teachers aid |
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RapidCreek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 09:31 PM Response to Reply #182 |
720. Yes..but would you deny my deaf son that luxury? |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 02:20 PM Response to Reply #720 |
736. Sorry, apparently |
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RapidCreek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-19-06 04:01 AM Response to Reply #736 |
761. yea it's pretty damn pathetic |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:25 PM Response to Reply #25 |
52. we are talking dress. i am truly surprised at the post on this thread |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:07 PM Response to Reply #52 |
191. Sadly, fascism and authoritarianism are not exclusive to the right wing. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:22 PM Response to Reply #191 |
202. Like having to work together gender neutral, or perhaps accomodate |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:29 PM Response to Reply #202 |
213. The question is how open minded a progressive can be before |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:48 PM Response to Reply #213 |
237. Screw multiculturalism. Just good old fashioned freedom and separation |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:02 PM Response to Reply #237 |
246. Isn't it coercion if a parent is forced to accept a teacher wearing |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:04 PM Response to Reply #246 |
248. No more than if a parent is forced to accept a teacher wearing anything |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:55 PM Response to Reply #248 |
282. No, it is completely different. Whether a teacher wears one outfit or |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:03 AM Response to Reply #282 |
293. If you think it impairs the ability of thhe teacher to perforn the |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:17 AM Response to Reply #293 |
311. I think it would limit the ability of any elementary teacher to do the job |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:20 AM Response to Reply #311 |
316. Maybe you'll get lucky and get a face veiled teacher in your school and it |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:41 PM Response to Reply #202 |
230. Obviously a hearing impaired child with a veiled teacher would present |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:27 PM Response to Reply #230 |
261. "Except in rare circumstances" which means either the child is considered |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:32 PM Response to Reply #261 |
267. It means the rare circumstance must be addressed on its own merits, |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:50 PM Response to Reply #267 |
277. Nobody deals in a bubble in a school. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:55 PM Response to Reply #277 |
281. Common sense: |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:09 AM Response to Reply #281 |
300. What about aspies who need intensive training on recognizing |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:13 AM Response to Reply #300 |
303. They don't all need to interact with all kids to the same degree. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:21 AM Response to Reply #303 |
317. Don't you think it makes sense to have a general, fair policy in effect, |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:24 AM Response to Reply #317 |
322. Policies should be broad and should address real situations. |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:49 PM Response to Reply #300 |
585. What a ridiculous comment. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:03 PM Response to Reply #585 |
592. Aspies, blind, deaf children and other disabilities not outlined here |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:00 AM Response to Reply #261 |
287. I think wearing a cross is just as much "in the way" as a veil. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:05 AM Response to Reply #287 |
295. I concur. The only proper stance for a secular government is to |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:20 AM Response to Reply #295 |
315. Okay. Agreed! nt |
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smirkymonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:39 PM Response to Reply #295 |
503. I suggested that and was called a fascist. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:23 AM Response to Reply #287 |
319. A cross doesn't obstruct the face. A cross doesn't impair communication. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:24 PM Response to Reply #319 |
495. this is the argument you hold to, it is obvious your issue goes beyond |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:53 PM Response to Reply #495 |
555. How is it obvious? I don't care what a teacher is wearing over her hair |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:22 PM Response to Reply #261 |
494. since we are arguing solutions to made up problem, easy answer |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:57 PM Response to Reply #494 |
559. All young children need a teacher who communicates well |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:00 PM Response to Reply #559 |
561. the woman can still be heard. i do not trust you women. changed the |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:43 PM Response to Reply #561 |
580. "I do not trust you women." |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:31 PM Response to Reply #191 |
215. Little is more disheartening to me than hearing lefties, in the name |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:35 PM Response to Reply #215 |
221. It seems you want to trade one coercion of women for another. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:43 AM Response to Reply #221 |
355. No, it is balancing the needs of the children to be educated with |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:27 PM Response to Reply #355 |
497. it is your belief that it is about children. i say poppycock to thinking |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:05 PM Response to Reply #497 |
565. You can say poppycock but that isn't an argument. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:07 PM Response to Reply #565 |
568. then every muslim must have a speech impediment, seeing the mother |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:09 PM Response to Reply #568 |
594. Muslim mothers do not wear the face veil around their own children |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:26 PM Response to Reply #215 |
496. so you are going to be our decider now. are we just switching from |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:31 PM Response to Reply #52 |
216. And I was thinking we were talking about kids |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:18 PM Response to Reply #216 |
491. teach your child this dress is wrong, evil bad...... then keep out of |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:01 PM Response to Reply #491 |
512. A teacher needs her face to communicate |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:06 PM Response to Reply #512 |
514. i think that is a bogus argument. i think it is silly and it suggests |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:09 PM Response to Reply #514 |
532. Are you a teacher? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:54 PM Response to Reply #532 |
557. because you are a teacher does not trump me, i still adamantly disagree |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:31 PM Response to Reply #557 |
577. I am speaking from the stance of quality of instruction |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:04 PM Response to Reply #52 |
564. The school has a right to determine a dress code for its employees |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:06 PM Response to Reply #6 |
27. prove it |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:19 PM Response to Reply #27 |
43. I'm afraid we're batting our heads against a wall here, tocqueville |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:26 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. At least I've tried as Clinton said... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:31 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. bullshit. to force women to dress is different than women that chose |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:08 PM Response to Reply #60 |
102. I am talking about women with "Arabic" background |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:38 PM Response to Reply #102 |
121. No - not a fiction |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 08:30 PM Response to Reply #121 |
143. I am biased against religious oppression |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:14 AM Response to Reply #143 |
305. Looks like somebody forgot about the Free Exercise clause. |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 06:10 PM Response to Reply #305 |
703. Freedom of religion is but one legal requirement. |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:43 AM Response to Reply #143 |
379. What you are saying to this woman |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 12:44 PM Response to Reply #379 |
730. Not a good analogy because eating pork for is haraam ie |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:39 PM Response to Reply #102 |
123. Did you just equate wearing a veil with human sacrifices? |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 08:05 PM Response to Reply #123 |
135. it's a matter of PRINCIPLE, how about honour killings, gang rapes ? |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 08:15 PM Response to Reply #135 |
139. If we're going to exclude potential rape victims from teaching |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 08:40 PM Response to Reply #139 |
148. How could you so completely misunderstand !?!?! |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 08:58 PM Response to Reply #148 |
153. violence by men against women |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:54 PM Response to Reply #153 |
181. Sorry but this is only excuses not to deal with the problem |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:26 PM Response to Reply #181 |
211. I would agree that it's not necessarily a sign of oppression |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 08:31 PM Response to Reply #135 |
145. Thanks - excellent account of the realities for Muslim women elsewhere |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 12:16 AM Response to Reply #145 |
657. What struck me when I saw fully veiled women in London |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:16 PM Response to Reply #53 |
105. Freedom From Whom? It means that I or the teacher can choose |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:39 PM Response to Reply #43 |
72. Many women don't WANT to shave their legs or wear pantyhose either |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:24 AM Response to Reply #72 |
375. I never told my daughter that. I wear slacks most of the time |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:43 PM Response to Reply #43 |
78. Some of us do... and some of us know MANY Muslim women |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:52 AM Response to Reply #78 |
381. Do you really know many Muslim women wearing FACE veils? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 08:20 PM Response to Reply #6 |
141. In school, as an employee? Yes. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:34 PM Response to Reply #141 |
220. I agree |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 05:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
16. There is no sense here. How does it say the sexes are not |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:34 AM Response to Reply #4 |
436. With you on all but one point |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
5. i would think it a wonderful opportunity for my children. we embrace |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 05:57 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. How rational, seabeyond. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
75. One of my children was very shy. He needed to see the teacher smile. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:09 PM Response to Reply #75 |
103. isnt the smile in the eyes. or when a person smile do we look at the |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:18 PM Response to Reply #103 |
197. You cannot see the "smile" in the eyes if you are six or ten feet away -- |
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hsher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
7. It wouldn't bother me |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:08 PM Response to Reply #7 |
29. There is a very significant difference between veils/chadors & yarmulkas |
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hsher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:22 PM Response to Reply #29 |
47. Then what about the mechitza, Rebbe? :) |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
9. I'll ask the nuns who taught me. |
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HockeyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:04 PM Response to Reply #9 |
22. You stole my reply! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:43 PM Response to Reply #9 |
79. Which of your nuns wore masks over their faces all day? |
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Rockholm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:29 AM Response to Reply #9 |
423. IMHO, only appropiate in a religious school setting. |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
12. It would have been a problem for me as a lip reader :^( |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:00 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Bingo! |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:16 PM Response to Reply #12 |
196. Not a single person who want veiled women in classrooms is addressing you? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:38 PM Response to Reply #196 |
226. Instead of discussing the teacher's rights |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:59 AM Response to Reply #226 |
358. Yes! It's not a question of whether it's more coercive to require |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:31 AM Response to Reply #358 |
398. Actually, I don't think the teacher's needs are more important |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
15. suppose your child's teacher |
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hsher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. Amen to that Mzteris |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:12 PM Original message |
You wouldn't want your child's teacher wearing a bikini in class, |
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hsher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
58. No opinion. It wouldn't happen |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:36 PM Response to Reply #58 |
602. What a beautiful message! |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
549. I would! |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:30 PM Response to Reply #26 |
57. I wouldn't want my kids teacher to be wearing a "Hooters" outfit either |
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Lost-in-FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:13 PM Response to Reply #15 |
38. Make up is optional not required. |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:15 PM Response to Reply #15 |
39. this is ridiculous |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
82. I don't know teachers who wear make-up. That must be a |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:50 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. just sayin' |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:07 PM Response to Reply #87 |
190. Makeup is ENTIRELY optional here in the northwest. It's not at all |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:12 AM Response to Reply #190 |
428. I grew up in the South - |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:19 PM Response to Reply #428 |
572. That older son sounds luckier than most. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:57 PM Response to Reply #15 |
95. I don't wear makeup. |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:07 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. Imagine the teacher who "normally" |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:13 PM Response to Reply #100 |
193. If she looked ill, people would worry about her. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:28 AM Response to Reply #100 |
388. We'd probably all think |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:49 PM Response to Reply #15 |
551. Plenty of my teachers didn't. Where is this required? n/t |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
17. I often used to ask myself that question |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:00 PM Original message |
They must have been driven mad by those face masks they had to wear |
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Lost-in-FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
20. Catholic Nun's face isn't covered |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:11 PM Response to Reply #20 |
33. Some contemplative orders do when they must interact with |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:45 PM Response to Reply #33 |
83. Exactly. Nuns in cloistered orders don't teach. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:57 PM Response to Reply #83 |
96. Let me try a different perspective on this. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:01 PM Response to Reply #96 |
155. Actually, it would make sense to me to follow their culture, if I wanted |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:44 PM Response to Reply #155 |
234. See but they don't expect you to because they respect |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:33 AM Response to Reply #234 |
349. I'm not saying the children would be confused. I'm saying they |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
23. Second graders are still learning social skills, |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
24. I would request her. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
30. Well, I was taught by nuns who, although they didn't wear |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:37 PM Response to Reply #30 |
225. There's a HUGE difference between wearing a MASK all day -- which is |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:47 PM Response to Reply #225 |
236. Yes, but weren't you curious about the color of their hair? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:10 PM Response to Reply #236 |
251. The dentist isn't with the kids all day for 180 days of the year. And he |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:24 PM Response to Reply #251 |
259. Well, your argument really holds no water. Also, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:46 AM Response to Reply #259 |
334. My argument holds no water. Why? Because you say so? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 10:27 AM Response to Reply #334 |
448. No it's not because I say so. It's because it is practicing |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:27 AM Response to Reply #448 |
467. The teacher in the OP is going to lose her lawsuit |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:28 PM Response to Reply #467 |
523. We shall see what the court decides.n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:29 PM Response to Reply #448 |
576. Tattoos and hair color don't limit a teacher's ability to communicate |
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KitSileya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:40 PM Response to Reply #334 |
525. I've been reading this thread with interest. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:06 PM Response to Reply #30 |
567. Were those nuns in compliance with your school's dress code? |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 07:23 PM Response to Reply #567 |
713. Nuns wearing habits teach in Catholic Schools |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
31. How would anyone know who the teacher really is on a day to day basis? |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
51. I had teachers come to school in most of those |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:32 PM Response to Reply #51 |
172. If I had a choice, I would show up in a loin cloth and sandals, |
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Pachamama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 02:05 AM Response to Reply #172 |
668. I hate to say this Swamp'r, no offense, but I think wearing a loin cloth |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 04:55 AM Response to Reply #668 |
670. I was thinking more along the lines of my grad classes. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:31 PM Response to Reply #31 |
61. You know, in some parts of the world |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:29 PM Response to Reply #61 |
171. Yeah, I was assuming what a faction of people in the USA might think. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:49 PM Response to Reply #171 |
177. Ah, got it. |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:05 PM Response to Reply #177 |
189. If it wasn't for 'invading Mexicans' I wouldn't be here. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:07 PM Response to Reply #61 |
249. The men don't know who the women are. That's the point. |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 08:46 PM Response to Reply #31 |
151. nun's habits, Jesus-style loin cloths, the Star of David |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:27 PM Response to Reply #151 |
169. Damn straight! |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:42 PM Response to Reply #31 |
231. I think I will wear my witch outfit tomorrow |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
32. Mixed feelings here |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
34. Nathaniel Hawthorne story: The Minister's Black Veil |
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nini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
35. Is she a good teacher? |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
36. what's wrong with that? |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
37. It all boils down to if you respect other peoples cultures and religions. |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:22 PM Response to Reply #37 |
48. NO ! it boils down to impose medieval beliefs in a secular society. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:30 PM Response to Reply #48 |
59. Oh please, a secular society should be one of tolerance. |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:46 PM Response to Reply #59 |
84. you don't understand the problem |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:57 PM Response to Reply #84 |
94. Well have you guys boxed and freighted all the Talibans |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:19 PM Response to Reply #94 |
107. not yet, no |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:26 PM Response to Reply #107 |
110. Unfortunately it is a patchwork in America. |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:36 PM Response to Reply #110 |
119. On the other hand |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:48 PM Response to Reply #119 |
127. I'm gonna get flamed for saying it but |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:29 AM Response to Reply #127 |
347. I strongly lean toward keeping ALL religion out of schools, and |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:32 PM Response to Reply #84 |
115. The US muslims are few and fear to show off after 9/11 |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:38 PM Response to Reply #115 |
122. I'd love to work with a 'veiled' teacher of the muslim faith. |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:51 PM Response to Reply #122 |
130. I can understand ... |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:29 AM Response to Reply #115 |
433. "It's not just a veil or a hajib. It's a person." |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:26 PM Response to Reply #433 |
633. Is she trying to be provocative? |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:43 PM Response to Reply #633 |
644. On watching the Video... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:21 PM Response to Reply #84 |
256. I was with you until you said the "problem doesn't exist in the US." |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:18 PM Response to Reply #59 |
255. How far should a secular society go in accomodating beliefs that |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:15 AM Response to Reply #255 |
394. Like not giving them equal pay? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:36 PM Response to Reply #394 |
542. Of course there are. So? |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:48 PM Response to Reply #542 |
645. This isn't the demand of a fundy... |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 01:50 AM Response to Reply #542 |
665. Fundies of other cultures. |
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nini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:34 PM Response to Reply #48 |
65. So, that woman doesn't have a right to practice her religion? |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:37 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. It is also her choice to abide by the schools rules or find another |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:54 PM Response to Reply #65 |
92. it's a false argument |
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smirkymonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:29 PM Response to Reply #92 |
114. Thank you for being a voice of reason on this thread. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:58 PM Response to Reply #114 |
284. Lol, yeah that's "reason" |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:32 AM Response to Reply #114 |
435. Scary thought. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 11:11 AM Response to Reply #114 |
677. I agree they should be banned in public schools |
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Nevernose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:25 PM Response to Reply #92 |
208. All 5 of those are logical fallacies or "false arguments" |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:49 AM Response to Reply #65 |
356. She shouldn't have a right to practice her religion in a way that |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:53 AM Response to Reply #65 |
443. Do "Christian" pharmacists have the right to practice their religion? |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 11:12 AM Response to Reply #443 |
678. Bingo |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:55 PM Response to Reply #48 |
280. What a terrible society. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:01 AM Response to Reply #280 |
291. What about saying, "You can be X as long as you |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:06 AM Response to Reply #291 |
296. That isn't what the poster I was replying to was saying |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:27 AM Response to Reply #296 |
345. The thin piece of fabric prevents the viewer from reading the facial |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:29 AM Response to Reply #345 |
365. So... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:53 AM Response to Reply #365 |
371. No woman has a face as expressionless as a piece of cloth. |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:41 PM Response to Reply #37 |
76. This is why there should be no religious symbols in the classroom |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:51 PM Response to Reply #76 |
88. Tell that to the people in my rural south Texas town. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:30 AM Response to Reply #88 |
326. I totally agree. I couldn't stand to send my kids to a public school |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:08 PM Response to Reply #76 |
101. Thanks - that is the main point I have been laboring to make here! |
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plasticwidow (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 08:59 PM Response to Reply #76 |
154. But... |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:12 PM Response to Reply #154 |
161. In western culture a mask is perceived differently |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:39 PM Response to Reply #154 |
174. No culture who forces women to be genitally mutilated and hidden from view |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:22 PM Response to Reply #174 |
201. Female genital mutilation (FGM) |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:53 PM Response to Reply #201 |
239. The Bible doesn't advocate bombing abortion clinics either |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:23 AM Response to Reply #239 |
320. FGM is also a Christian, Jewish, and Animist practice... |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:00 AM Response to Reply #239 |
391. I would never argue that the oppression of women is right |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:25 AM Response to Reply #391 |
422. You go back 1400 years to find examples of women being treated well |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:50 AM Response to Reply #422 |
442. I can give many examples of modern Islamic women |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:14 PM Response to Reply #442 |
486. That's great . How many of these leaders wear veils in public? |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:54 PM Response to Reply #486 |
507. Have you attacked any women because you saw their face in publi |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:58 PM Response to Reply #507 |
629. These women have been given power because of their family connections |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:25 PM Response to Reply #629 |
637. how the least among us are treated |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 10:24 PM Response to Reply #637 |
654. When good men do nothing, evil triumphs |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 05:40 PM Response to Reply #654 |
700. Well said. nt |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 07:35 PM Response to Reply #654 |
714. Excellent post |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:10 PM Response to Reply #629 |
656. Thanks for taking the time to respond to the list of names. |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 02:05 PM Response to Reply #391 |
734. If choice is sooo important to Muslim women, why aren't |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 02:09 PM Response to Reply #201 |
735. Actually when in 1998 Eypgt passed a law preventing |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:47 AM Response to Reply #154 |
409. A face veil isn't like a hair veil or another adornment. It is a mask, |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 11:15 AM Response to Reply #76 |
679. I agree with you, GO |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:44 AM Response to Reply #37 |
380. No. It all boils down to whether the needs of the young student |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:16 PM Response to Reply #37 |
625. No it doesn't. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
40. It Would've Completely Hindered My Ability To Learn. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
45. If she's better educated than American teachers - I'm down with it. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:42 AM Response to Reply #45 |
406. That's an odd assumption. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:37 AM Response to Reply #406 |
438. Where did I make ANY assumption? I said "if".... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:41 AM Response to Reply #438 |
475. Well this American public school teacher |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:52 PM Response to Reply #475 |
647. To seriously countenance even the *notion* that pointing out a typo... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 10:10 PM Response to Reply #647 |
651. "silently letting the uneducated teach my kids any day of the week"?? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 10:15 PM Response to Reply #651 |
652. Sigh. Not possessed of even rudimentary disambiguation skills... |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
46. I would not let my child go into that classroom. |
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SmokingJacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
56. It's the quality of the teaching that matters. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
62. In addition to wearing a veil to cover her face, |
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Lost-in-FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:34 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Yeah... fire all men! |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:37 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. If she doesn't want to work with men on the basis of her religion, |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:24 PM Response to Reply #62 |
109. Interesting that the first time this little tidbit was mentioned... |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:15 PM Response to Reply #62 |
195. I think this was a condition of removing her veil |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:00 AM Response to Reply #195 |
288. Correct! n/t |
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electron_blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
64. I wouldn't like it and I would fight it or move my child out of there. |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
67. I absolutely would not care - nor would her religion be any of |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
81. It wouldn't bother me any more than a big honking cross around her neck. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:40 PM Response to Reply #81 |
228. Does a cross around her neck prevent a student from seeing her smile? |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:47 PM Response to Reply #228 |
275. Sorry that just isn't relevant to me. I think that in fact yes, with time |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:07 AM Response to Reply #275 |
297. At a distance of 10 feet, I defy anyone to look at eyes through a slot |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:40 AM Response to Reply #297 |
353. and other verbal and non-verbal clues. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:58 AM Response to Reply #353 |
383. I would completely go along with NO religious symbols in a school. Or |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
85. What kind of teacher is she? Good teacher? Bad teacher? |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
86. I think I would first ask why she was wearing the veil. I would |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
89. My Child's daycare fired a woman who insisted on wearing |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:02 PM Response to Reply #89 |
156. The women in burqas at our local library won't deal with male librarians |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:58 PM Response to Reply #156 |
242. And where do we draw the lines between our belief in |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:43 PM Response to Reply #89 |
232. A woman would never wear a veil all day around her OWN children. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
90. It depends. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:20 AM Response to Reply #90 |
420. I think you've hit the nail on the head. It's a case of our conflicting |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 06:41 AM Response to Reply #420 |
671. The answer I keep coming back to |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
91. No problems here.... |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 08:14 PM Response to Reply #91 |
138. Uh, she also won't work with men psychoDAD. I'm sorry but sometimes |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:20 PM Response to Reply #138 |
165. She should have understood that working with men |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:29 PM Response to Reply #165 |
170. Do you think she wore a full facial veil? |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:36 PM Response to Reply #170 |
222. Indeed we don't know what she wore. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:00 PM Response to Reply #222 |
244. Thanks for a fair answer. |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:39 AM Response to Reply #244 |
390. When dogma replaces reason and understanding... |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 01:32 PM Response to Reply #390 |
732. Great post. I can't tell you how much I agree with your comment |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
104. Now here's an issue with valid arguments on both sides, I think... |
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smirkymonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:42 PM Response to Reply #104 |
124. Good point. |
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Salaama (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
108. As a student... and a Muslimah... |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:36 PM Response to Reply #108 |
118. Could you be so kind as to explain your understanding of what the veil, |
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Salaama (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:51 PM Response to Reply #118 |
129. In Islam... |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 08:07 PM Response to Reply #129 |
136. Thank you for your response |
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plasticwidow (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 08:35 PM Response to Reply #136 |
147. Labels, Culture, and Religion |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 08:40 PM Response to Reply #147 |
149. Unfortunately you are promoting the very stereotypes you seek to |
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plasticwidow (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:09 PM Response to Reply #149 |
160. Sorry... |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:18 PM Response to Reply #160 |
164. You are still putting the onus on women |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 11:21 AM Response to Reply #160 |
681. Ugh --I cannot believe you wrote that |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 11:19 AM Response to Reply #149 |
680. Agreed -- ugh |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:08 PM Response to Reply #147 |
158. It is up to each of us to control ourselves. |
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plasticwidow (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:13 PM Response to Reply #158 |
162. Turkey on the Table... |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:22 PM Response to Reply #158 |
166. So never serve turkey would seem to be the answer? |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 08:12 PM Response to Reply #108 |
137. She also won't work with men |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:58 PM Response to Reply #137 |
285. Given that she interviewed without the face veil, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:55 AM Response to Reply #108 |
357. Do women in Muslim countries wear face veils when teaching |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 05:55 PM Response to Reply #108 |
702. You are not addressing the point that her face is covered. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
112. It could be a problem if there is a hearing impaired child in the class |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
113. Well since for about the first 6 years of my education I was |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:38 PM Original message |
Yes, but the lovely sisters of the archaic feminine as |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
331. Bingo. One of my sons had a nun just ten years ago in a secular |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:26 AM Response to Reply #113 |
325. Those women's faces are clearly visible. It's not the same. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 11:24 AM Response to Reply #113 |
682. Traditionally dressed Sisters don't cover their faces |
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williesgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
120. My great-niece had a Muslim teacher w/veil in 1st grade. Loved her, |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:11 PM Response to Reply #120 |
192. A Catholic school is not supported mostly with government |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:55 PM Response to Reply #120 |
241. "Small children only freak out when their parents have given off vibes" |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 12:40 PM Response to Reply #241 |
694. A teacher of 4yos who frowns and doesn't smile? |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
134. Veils?!! How about blouses? Shoes? Skirts? Earrings? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 08:25 PM Response to Reply #134 |
142. So, let me see: This Muslim woman wants to assert her "right" |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 08:31 PM Response to Reply #142 |
144. I don't think we should be tolerant of men who wear ties. |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 08:33 PM Response to Reply #144 |
146. How about not being able to work with men? You seem to be ignoring that |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:30 PM Response to Reply #146 |
265. So, if she agreed to work with men, you'd be OK with the veil? |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:24 PM Response to Reply #144 |
204. Dark glasses frequently obscure the expression in the eyes. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:19 AM Response to Reply #204 |
363. I taught public school. No sunglasses there, either. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:21 AM Response to Reply #144 |
364. "Dark glasses"? Have you been in a public school lately? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
150. Sure she could do the teaching job |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
152. Ask those French women about the veil |
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YellowRubberDuckie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
159. I was just thinking... |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:14 PM Response to Reply #159 |
163. Nuns are at private schools not public |
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YellowRubberDuckie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:26 PM Response to Reply #163 |
168. I was just talking about the dress. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:33 PM Response to Reply #168 |
173. It seems though that the dress also includes not working with men |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:19 PM Response to Reply #168 |
198. Nun's habits don't cover their faces. |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:27 PM Response to Reply #198 |
262. Let me tell you some of those nuns had only one expression |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:44 PM Response to Reply #262 |
273. Touche! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:04 AM Response to Reply #262 |
359. I'm sorry for you. Mine knew how to smile, and did. A lot, actually. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 05:52 PM Response to Reply #262 |
618. LOL |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:22 PM Response to Reply #163 |
199. We had an academic competition and our public school |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:25 PM Response to Reply #199 |
209. Again, she worked for a private school, NOT public |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:34 PM Response to Reply #199 |
219. The nun covered all of her face except her eyes while she was |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 11:28 AM Response to Reply #219 |
684. She has to mean a "bridal veil" |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:19 AM Response to Reply #199 |
395. I have never seen a Catholic nun who wore a face veil, have you? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:04 AM Response to Reply #163 |
294. Besides, most nuns these days don't wear the full habit and |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 11:26 AM Response to Reply #159 |
683. Traditionally-garbed nuns do not cover their faces |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
175. I'd direct that teacher to the Muslim school down the street |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
176. I would consider it a good learning opportunity about different religions |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
194. Flame away...flame away....flame away... |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:53 PM Response to Reply #194 |
240. Well this is the way I look at it. |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:09 PM Response to Reply #240 |
250. Yup and that is your opinion upon seeing the veiled woman... |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:11 PM Response to Reply #250 |
252. Are you a woman? |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:24 PM Response to Reply #252 |
258. I'll show you mine if ... |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:34 PM Response to Reply #258 |
268. Not a gender-ist issue? |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:21 AM Response to Reply #268 |
396. Wow-- read much into people's post much? |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 10:51 AM Response to Reply #396 |
450. I don't really care what you personally feel about ANYTHING |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:17 AM Response to Reply #450 |
462. Ah-- the last word game. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:55 AM Response to Reply #462 |
481. She called you out on your tortured rationale |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:54 PM Response to Reply #481 |
528. Thanks so much for the late addition |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:40 AM Response to Reply #250 |
378. It is a big planet but this is the United States, a country where |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:09 PM Response to Reply #378 |
515. That's an argument for veils. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:09 PM Response to Reply #515 |
569. I have no problem with veils, except when females are pressured |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:17 PM Response to Reply #240 |
254. Teaching the kids something like that is already unacceptable. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:25 PM Response to Reply #254 |
260. What exactly do you think that a woman concealing her face |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:29 PM Response to Reply #260 |
263. It teaches that that is HER religion. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:41 PM Response to Reply #263 |
271. What else can it signify but that woman must hide their |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:44 PM Response to Reply #271 |
272. If it signifies that, it signifies that SOME people believe that. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:53 PM Response to Reply #272 |
278. Really, |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:01 AM Response to Reply #278 |
290. Of course it's not impossible for anyone to be abused. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:07 AM Response to Reply #290 |
298. I'll only say this and then I'm done |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:10 AM Response to Reply #298 |
301. People in the United States have the right to indoctrinate one another. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:17 AM Response to Reply #301 |
310. Yes they do, |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:22 AM Response to Reply #310 |
318. Indoctrinated people already have the right to teach in public schools. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:28 AM Response to Reply #318 |
346. They can wear it to their hearts content |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:47 AM Response to Reply #346 |
410. Then the same would have to apply to all religious expression. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 10:57 AM Response to Reply #410 |
451. Ok, I give up. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:42 AM Response to Reply #451 |
477. I note you did not answer the question. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:00 PM Response to Reply #477 |
483. If a teacher wears a "religious garment" that reflects her culture's |
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scrinmaster (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:03 PM Response to Reply #194 |
247. If someonewas an Odinist, or into Christian Identity or any of that stuff, |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:22 PM Response to Reply #247 |
257. That's what is so interesting... the UK and the US are bastions of |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 10:21 PM Response to Reply #257 |
756. We have the freedom |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:43 AM Response to Reply #247 |
407. Welcome to DU, scrinmaster! |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 11:29 AM Response to Reply #194 |
685. Nice barrel of strawman |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
200. the only question (IMO) is whether or not it interferes with communication |
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jseankil (604 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
205. What about teachers dressing up as witches if they think they're a witch? |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:39 PM Response to Reply #205 |
227. Burqas worn in Afghanistan are like a tent covering the woman |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:10 PM Response to Reply #227 |
484. At the moment |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 10:53 AM Response to Reply #484 |
676. Are you writing to us from Afghanistan? |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 06:02 PM Response to Reply #676 |
753. I was refering to the witch comment |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 11:35 AM Response to Reply #205 |
686. "Think they are a witch" |
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Lost-in-FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
210. IT'S THE VEIL STUPID!!! |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
243. yes, because there is clearly more to be conveyed to a young... |
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BlueStorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:30 PM Response to Original message |
264. I would have a problem with this... |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
270. If I had a kid, I'd get him/her out of the class |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-15-06 11:59 PM Response to Reply #270 |
286. Yes, religious expression that doesn't interfere with learning - fine. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:01 AM Response to Reply #286 |
292. She doesn't have a gerbil in her mouth |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:56 AM Response to Reply #292 |
339. Nonverbal communication is important |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:09 AM Response to Reply #339 |
361. I agree. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:08 AM Response to Reply #292 |
360. Are you six years old? I'm asking you to think about this from |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:55 PM Response to Reply #360 |
508. Are you? |
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KitSileya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:08 PM Response to Reply #508 |
531. They do it from teachers and parents that are unveiled. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:18 PM Response to Reply #508 |
596. Their mothers don't wear the face veil when alone with them |
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Ksec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:19 AM Response to Original message |
312. Id hate it |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
330. seperate church/state or don't work on the gov't dole |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:49 AM Response to Reply #330 |
336. What if they use their paychecks |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:55 AM Response to Reply #336 |
367. can't push their faith at public school s, IMHO |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:03 AM Response to Reply #367 |
369. Your choice of words says it all n/t |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 08:26 AM Response to Reply #330 |
728. Absolutely |
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hsher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
340. My God, this post is still glowing in the night like Burning Man |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:12 AM Response to Original message |
362. Poppycock and rubbish... you just learn to read people differently |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:28 AM Response to Reply #362 |
376. How does a 7 year old read those eyes and the facial expressions made |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:19 AM Response to Reply #376 |
418. Completely untrue,,, with very little experience children learn to read |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 12:25 AM Response to Reply #418 |
658. The thing about wanting to wear the veil in the classroom is |
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oblivious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:38 AM Response to Reply #362 |
389. True. I suppose the kids sense of tone and body language would improve. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:19 AM Response to Reply #362 |
464. A "necessity" of the workplace? |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 12:36 PM Response to Reply #362 |
693. Meant it is a necessity to learn how to read people wearing |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:31 AM Response to Original message |
366. This ought to be the final word: |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:00 AM Response to Reply #366 |
368. I would agree with that position because it's defendable. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 05:02 AM Response to Reply #368 |
384. The UK "race minister" was correct when he said that |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 05:21 AM Response to Reply #384 |
386. I direct your attention to post#289 and my response post#323... |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 05:05 PM Response to Reply #368 |
608. Oh spare me |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:30 AM Response to Reply #366 |
377. Thank you, WinkyDink, for that breath of fresh air. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:33 AM Response to Reply #366 |
401. Aha! |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:31 AM Response to Reply #366 |
424. A sound fatwah by the councel... |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 10:33 AM Response to Reply #366 |
449. like a bulletin, or memo from The Holy See, Fatwa's are issued... |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:03 AM Response to Reply #449 |
455. Finally,........! |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 11:51 AM Response to Reply #449 |
690. I temporarily withdraw my thanks |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 09:51 PM Response to Reply #690 |
723. symbols dear, they are merely too often used as symbols; there's... |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM Response to Reply #723 |
737. Ok, thanks, that's what I thought you were stating |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:34 AM Response to Original message |
370. The Muslim Council disagrees with her and criticized her |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 05:05 AM Response to Reply #370 |
385. Interesting point you make about the children, but... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:01 AM Response to Reply #385 |
392. If young ESL students are exposed all day to a teacher wearing a mask, |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:39 AM Response to Reply #385 |
404. Actually, teachers of the visually impaired use their faces. |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:53 PM Response to Reply #404 |
589. I respond to this point in post #586... |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
413. Bottom line is |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
421. There is a common sense solution here... but the veil is now political |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 10:01 AM Response to Reply #421 |
444. I've seen the same with Hijab in America. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:16 AM Response to Reply #421 |
460. If the veil is a sign of defiance in the British immigrant, |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:34 PM Response to Reply #460 |
502. No, men wear traditional clothing as well... |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 01:45 PM Response to Reply #421 |
733. As a teacher's assistant what if she is assigned to a |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 02:49 PM Response to Reply #733 |
738. She will not permit that, unless she wears the fask mask |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 03:08 PM Response to Reply #738 |
739. If it is determined that the students need to have her unmasked |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 03:30 PM Response to Reply #739 |
740. I agree with everything you've said |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
432. When MEN start wearing veils.......... |
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Jacobin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
439. Well, I had women dressed as penguins in the first grade |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:13 AM Response to Reply #439 |
459. And the males/priests wore skirts/cassocks. |
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philosophie_en_rose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
445. This is ridiculous. It's just a veil. Parent's don't have a right to dic |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:21 PM Response to Reply #445 |
597. It is not a question of shunning people who are different. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
465. What about a burqa? Would that be cool? |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
466. Black Face Veil -or- White Hood and Mask |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
468. What if your child was taught by a burn victim or stroke victim? |
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noonwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
472. It would definitely affect a hearing-impaired child's ability to learn |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
479. What a disturbing thread. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:15 PM Response to Reply #479 |
487. I've officially decided to adopt the pre-Christian religion of Rome |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:18 PM Response to Reply #487 |
489. "If we let black kids in schools..." |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:19 PM Response to Reply #487 |
492. that's why Sun Day is one of my fav days of the week... |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:18 PM Response to Reply #492 |
640. All the names of the week in English... |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 09:59 PM Response to Reply #640 |
725. there it is, PsychoDad, peace to you & yours, friend... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:29 PM Response to Reply #487 |
499. If that's your religion, have at it. |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 01:21 AM Response to Reply #479 |
660. Especially because it's based either on ignorance of the actual facts |
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Fleshdancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
482. As long as my child is learning I don't care |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:29 PM Response to Reply #482 |
500. In the ME where the teachers don't veil for their classes |
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Fleshdancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:01 PM Response to Reply #500 |
510. Questioning my progressive beliefs? Niiiiice. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:51 PM Response to Reply #510 |
587. Accusing people of "using" our children |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:03 PM Response to Reply #500 |
513. ME schools are seperated by gender. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:53 PM Response to Reply #513 |
588. It's in the article |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 11:41 AM Response to Reply #588 |
687. Yeah, that makes this whole thing very, very weird to me n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:56 PM Response to Reply #513 |
591. The news report in the OP says that she won't work with men. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
485. You're damn straight it would affect communication |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 08:21 AM Response to Reply #485 |
727. Agreed |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
488. Mirror Neurons - When the Mirror Fogs... |
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Taoschick (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
490. The BBC version |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
493. This is a very long thread |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
504. I think I'd be pretty happy with it... |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:17 PM Response to Reply #504 |
516. How about this veil? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:19 PM Response to Reply #516 |
519. You're comparing Islam to the Klan now? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:20 PM Response to Reply #519 |
520. No kidding. nt |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:26 PM Response to Reply #519 |
522. No, I'm comparing tolerance to naivety |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:43 PM Response to Reply #522 |
545. "It calls into question what they're teaching."???? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:55 PM Response to Reply #545 |
558. I type fairly carefully. |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:54 PM Response to Reply #558 |
590. I think that's a great analogy, Jeff |
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ContraBass Black (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:56 PM Response to Reply #516 |
529. No, that person would threaten or kill my children. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:50 PM Response to Reply #516 |
553. LOL |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:52 PM Response to Reply #516 |
638. I'd have to disagree.... |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
518. No problem |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
521. What if your child's teacher wore THIS to school? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 02:40 PM Response to Reply #521 |
543. Improper lumberjack attire |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:58 PM Response to Reply #521 |
639. That would be cool. |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
526. I've had several teachers in my life whom I wished had worn veils. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
582. I would say let her teach in the veil, because it only exposes the |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
583. If you watch the video on that site, |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
593. personally, burkas and face veils terrify me. I recognize |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 05:03 PM Response to Reply #593 |
606. This suggests to me |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
609. I have nothing to say, but I wanted in on a 600+ post thread |
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Rowdyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 05:12 PM Response to Reply #609 |
610. Hell, I'm with you....Anyway, its happening in Britian ...Let Tony Blair |
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ContraBass Black (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:20 PM Response to Reply #609 |
641. Every time I load it, my PC makes straining noises. |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
611. These posts are comical... |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 05:54 PM Response to Reply #611 |
619. Children learn to enunciate words correctly by seeing a real person's lips |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:56 PM Response to Reply #619 |
628. She isn't the teacher... |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:08 PM Response to Reply #628 |
630. She's the multi-lingual teacher's assistant |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:38 PM Response to Reply #630 |
634. Interesting point... |
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ContraBass Black (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:22 PM Response to Reply #634 |
642. Could you link to that, please? |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 05:07 PM Response to Reply #642 |
748. The link |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 11:44 AM Response to Reply #611 |
688. Your lack of understanding child development and learning is comical |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 09:51 PM Response to Reply #611 |
722. This shows how much you don't know about young elementary students. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
612. Just a bit of irony here |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
631. Just leave her the hell alone, for fuck's sake. |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 04:05 PM Response to Reply #631 |
742. The students who are learning English as a second language |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
636. such a talent for posting these incendiary threads |
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enigmatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 01:26 AM Response to Original message |
661. I have nothing to say about this |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 01:32 AM Response to Original message |
662. Compare it to the pharmacists |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 01:33 AM Response to Original message |
663. Burqas are sexist to begin with. I won't help anyone try to wear them.(nt) |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 01:58 AM Response to Original message |
667. I'm totally stunned at some of you |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 08:23 AM Response to Reply #667 |
675. IMO, some people just want to punish this woman for disagreeing |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 11:49 AM Response to Reply #667 |
689. I don't have to accept a symbol of the subjugation of women |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 09:53 PM Response to Reply #667 |
724. Did you read the posts from the speech pathologist explaining |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 02:15 AM Response to Original message |
669. They can take those burqas and shove it. |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 04:25 PM Response to Reply #669 |
744. Now tell us what you really think. |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
673. Gosh, I had several crappy teachers.... |
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savemefromdumbya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
691. Why should we mind. It's like saying I don't like bald teachers |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
692. I would be LIVID |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
695. Freedom of Religion. |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
706. UK/America is NOT a theocracy..... |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 08:01 PM Response to Reply #706 |
717. I have plenty to rail against regarding the Catholic Church |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 08:39 PM Response to Reply #717 |
719. I digress.... |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 09:41 PM Response to Reply #719 |
721. I get the picture |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 11:34 PM Response to Reply #721 |
726. But you must agree... |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 01:00 PM Response to Reply #726 |
731. I agree that she has decided to continue the tradition of |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 07:37 PM Response to Reply #731 |
755. Perhaps her message is this..... |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 04:21 PM Response to Reply #721 |
743. Ukrainian Catholics and Orthodox Christians do not regard the |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 04:45 PM Response to Reply #743 |
746. I didn't know that |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 04:55 PM Response to Reply #746 |
747. They do have those symbols and they believe Christ |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 05:28 PM Response to Reply #747 |
750. That's similar to Roman Catholicism then |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 05:13 PM Response to Reply #746 |
749. Perhaps the head of Ukrainan Catholics in the US explains it better. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 05:41 PM Response to Reply #749 |
751. From what I've heard of Gibson's film |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
741. May I suggest that there are children learning in schools in |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 05:54 PM Response to Reply #741 |
752. Do you think that an American woman |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 06:50 PM Response to Reply #752 |
754. Absolutely. I lived in the ME for a decade. I wore hejab |
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greblc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
757. When do Individual rights trump the majority? |
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