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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 08:20 AM
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NYT: Time To Confront Bush On The Things He Never Had The Guts To Tell Us!
Edited on Sun Oct-22-06 08:28 AM by kpete
Editorial
Blowing in the Wind
Published: October 22, 2006

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So what finally, after all this time, caused Mr. Bush to very publicly consult with his generals to consider a change in tactics in Iraq? The president, who says he never reads political polls, is worried that his party could lose some of its iron grip on power in the Congressional elections next month.

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But the way this sudden change of heart has come about, after months in which Mr. Bush has brushed off all criticism of his policies as either misguided, politically motivated or downright disloyal to America, is maddening. For far too long, the White House has looked upon the war as a tactical puzzle for campaign strategists. The early notion of combining Iraq and the war on terror as an argument for re-electing Republicans robbed the nation of any serious chance for a bipartisan discussion of these life-and-death issues. More recently, the administration seems to have been working under the assumption that its only obligations were to hang on, talk tough and pass the problem on to the next president.

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The way the Bush team is stage-managing the president’s supposed change of heart about “staying the course” is unfair to the Americans who have taken him at his word that real progress is being made in Iraq — a dwindling but still significant number of people, some of whom have sons and daughters serving in the conflict. It is a disservice to the troops, who were never sent to Iraq in sufficient numbers to protect themselves or the Iraqi people. And it is a disservice to all Americans, who have waited so long for Mr. Bush to act that all that is left are a series of unpleasant choices.

And it is happening in the midst of a particularly ugly, and especially vacuous, election season. There is probably no worse time to begin a serious discussion about Iraq policy than two weeks before a close, bitter election. But now that the discussion has begun, it must continue, as honestly and openly as possible. It is time for the American people to confront all the things that the president never had the guts to tell them about for three and a half years.

more at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/22/opinion/22sun1.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 08:28 AM
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1. Yes, and while Bush wastes time diddling, with this Hail Mary stunt
to save his political party, more servicemen and women will die. I hope the "significant number of people" remember that when they vote in two weeks.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 08:31 AM
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2. Ask Karl's War President about his "Noble Cause"
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 08:33 AM
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3. For some reason I keep picturing Bush* as Brer Rabbit punching tar baby
:dunce:
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 08:46 AM
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4. It's about damn time!
The MSM has had 3 yrs to ask these questions. WE'VE been asking these questions and have been called traitors and worse. It's about time the NYT found the guts. Too bad it took so long.
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nancyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 08:59 AM
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5. Never-never land
Everything is merely a political maneauver to this fool of a president. It's the only thing he knows. Our gutless media bears major responsibility for going along with the charade that he is a legitimate president. Truthfully, the man is mentally incompetent and totally irresponsible and it's way past time for the truth to be told. With the irreparable damage he and his disgusting co-horts have done to our country...can we please, please, tell the truth?
Why continue to pretend that there is anything remotely sane or normal about the condition we are currently in?? We are living in some ghastly nightmare, for God's sake. It goes totally beyond "plain old politics." It will take decades for us to regain even a shred of what we once stood for. He has trashed us completely. He belongs behind bars. It's a sad, sad time.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 10:08 AM
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9. I agree, Nancyr
Going around acting as if everything were normal is surreal. We have a mentally and emotionally stunted man in charge of the country, and he is taking us over the edge of the cliff he's driving toward with breakneck speed. Acting as if he were any other normal person is getting harder and harder for even his adoring base to do.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 10:22 AM
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10. I'll second that
It's not like the Times didn't have enough evidence before their slack-jawed countenances, not to mention enough people pointing and shouting at the obvious. Finally, six years into this train wreck of a presidency, more than three years after its ruinous invasion of Iraq, the Times figures out that the Bush administration's words are about one thing, its action about something else entirely.

Welcome to the party, Times. While you were snoozing, here's some of what's happened: We've lost nearly as many service men and women as we did on that horrible day in September 2001. We've killed over half a million Iraqis who never threatened us or meant us any harm. We've squandered half a trillion dollars on these foreign sinkholes, where we didn't know what was happening and didn't know what the outcome would be. Our foreign policy has become a sad, bloody joke. We've slipped more than a couple of notches in world competitiveness. But at least the oil companies, with two Texas oilmen in the White House, are making out all right.

Tell me, has it been worth it all?
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 09:26 AM
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6. Dear Little Monkey....
...fool us once shame on you, fool us twice shame on us. You think your little window dressing meeting with the commanders is going to sway anyone (except for your brain dead base which is fleeing you)? Good luck with that, little simian.

Here's a suggestion, Capuchin (see pic), the gavel belongs to John Conyers in January, you might want to be contrite during this period. Also, please expect total silence from the majority side when you give your someone-else-wrote-it State of the Union address.



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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 02:40 PM
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23. I love your post. nt
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 09:40 AM
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7. bottom line:
for the bushies is, it's all politics, all the time. anything to get and hold the power and the wealth that accompanies the power. no matter how many dead bodies. no matter how many lives ruined. no matter how destroyed the streets, buildings, homes, infrastructures of ANYwhere, anywhere in the world. all politics, all the time, nothing else matters and nothing else ever did or ever will.

evil.
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 09:15 PM
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27. All politics, no governing
Just like DUHbya the rancher is all hat, no cattle.

Newsprism
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exlrrp Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 10:03 AM
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8. Its all part of the show, folks!
Edited on Sun Oct-22-06 10:15 AM by exlrrp
Bush's "consulting with the generals" is nothing but a pre-election Dog and Pony Show to show the American People he's "flexible." I mean he's supposed to be consulting with the generals anyway, what does he want for this--overtime? Remember how this year he consulted with the Secretaries of State, made a big ballyhoo about it and nothing changed?? Same thing here, this is all window dressing.
Bush CAN'T seriously change plans at the same time he's saying: Stay the COurse (Although he's saying this less and less)
This administration is trapped in oe of their own main strategies--never admitting a mistake. George Bush will NEVER admit a mistake or even have it look that way.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 03:49 PM
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25. Yeah and now he lies again & says "We've never been about
staying the course!" Lying sackoshit!!

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/22/bush-stay-the-course/
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 10:27 AM
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11. I'd rather the NYT tell me why they gave page A1 to Judith Miller while
millions protested.

What were they, misguided or something?

From a part of the public, I can believe that. From journalists I cannot.
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DollyM Donating Member (837 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 10:28 AM
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12. boy if I had a nickle . . .
boy if I had a nickle for everytime I have heard that man say "stay the course" over the last several years, I'd be rich! Oh wait, maybe it was George's evil twin that denied saying "stay the course" or maybe the evil twin is in office! Who's cares, lets' impeach both of them and get it over with!
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Chomp Donating Member (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 10:32 AM
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13. This editorial is akin to
accusing Bush of treason IMO. As near as damn it.
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kentjay Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 10:32 AM
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14. yeah like why he cut and ran
from vietnam and was so eager to invade a country that hadn`t invaded us,there are a lot of questions that need to be asked and ans.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 10:36 AM
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15. Bush, the puppet
I doubt Shrub has any idea of what he is doing. Dickie Cheney is really calling the shots, and he has absolutely no conscience (or compassion).
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MarinCoUSA Donating Member (783 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 10:51 AM
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16. Comes now the real October Surprise me thinks
n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 11:39 AM
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 12:37 PM
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19. I just got an email about this
Edited on Sun Oct-22-06 12:38 PM by proud2Blib
from a person I trust implicity. She sent this story out to several people she knows, including military sources. This is a reply she got:

I've done some digging and it appears that TBRNews is a bogus site and the "report" is not credible. The guy who runs it has done this kind of thing before.

Time to do more digging I guess.
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GoogleTheTruth Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 11:00 AM
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17. Another little known tidbit... use of uranian weapons by US
Edited on Sun Oct-22-06 11:25 AM by GoogleTheTruth
Civilian populations in Afghanistan and Iraq and occupying troops have been contaminated with astounding levels of radioactive depleted and non-depleted uranium as a result of post-9/11 United States’ use of tons of uranium munitions. Researchers say surrounding countries are bound to feel the effects as well.

In 2003 scientists from the Uranium Medical Research Center (UMRC) studied urine samples of Afghan civilians and found that 100% of the samples taken had levels of non-depleted uranium (NDU) 400% to 2000% higher than normal levels. The UMRC research team studied six sites, two in Kabul and others in the Jalalabad area. The civilians were tested four months after the attacks in Afghanistan by the United States and its allies.

NDU is more radioactive than depleted uranium (DU), which itself is charged with causing many cancers and severe birth defects in the Iraqi population–especially children–over the past ten years. Four million pounds of radioactive uranium was dropped on Iraq in 2003 alone. Uranium dust will be in the bodies of our returning armed forces. Nine soldiers from the 442nd Military Police serving in Iraq were tested for DU contamination in December 2003. Conducted at the request of The News, as the U.S. government considers the cost of $1,000 per affected soldier prohibitive, the test found that four of the nine men were contaminated with high levels of DU, likely caused by inhaling dust from depleted uranium shells fired by U.S. troops. Several of the men had traces of another uranium isotope, U-236, that are produced only in a nuclear reaction process.

Most American weapons (missiles, smart bombs, dumb bombs, bullets, tank shells, cruise missiles, etc.) contain high amounts of radioactive uranium. Depleted or non-depleted, these types of weapons, on detonation, release a radioactive dust which, when inhaled, goes into the body and stays there. It has a half-life of 4.5 billion years. Basically, it’s a permanently available contaminant, distributed in the environment, where dust storms or any water nearby can disperse it. Once ingested, it releases subatomic particles that slice through DNA.

More >>
http://www.life.com/Life/essay/gulfwar/gulf01.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/180333p-156685c.html
http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2005/4.html

THIS NEEDS THOROUGH INVESTIGATION! THIS IS CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 12:44 PM
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20. the whore is pissed off cause the trick isn`t paying off?
oh..so sorry... they fucked you and you have nothing to show for it but shame.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 02:39 PM
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21. kick
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 02:39 PM
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22. FLIP FLOPPER!
they had the audacity to call John Kerry this in the Prez election yet Bush has been flip flopping all over the place and now the Iraq thing is a major flip flop!
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Holly_Hobby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 03:42 PM
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24. How about THIS lie?
Why Bush's NSA wiretapping will never catch terrorists and only serve to spy on political dissidents.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8493098426180726284&pr=goog-sl
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 03:58 PM
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26. It's time to confront Bush on that and that what he did tell us were lies.
That goes back more than three and a half years. That goes back to everytime Saddam and September 11 were uttered in the same sentence, artfull never saying the two were linked, but always leaving that impression and never saying they weren't until the invasion was a fait accompli. That goes back to everytime the claimed with certainty that Saddam possessed a vast biochemical arsenal, when the knew the intelligence on the matter was murky at best. That goes back to everytime Dick Cheney or Condoleezza Rice or Mr. Bush himself said something about Saddam's nuclear program, knowing it was nothing more than one of his wet dreams.

It isn't just the truth they haven't told us; it's the lies they told in its place.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 12:20 AM
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28. Harumph
It is time for the <New York Times, et. al.> to confront all the things that the president never had the guts to tell them about for three and a half years.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 02:49 AM
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29. what do you mean "the president never had the guts"?
this bad ass?

this hard ass?

this tough guy whose muscles are so bulging that he can't walk with his arms touching his sides

why...he is gut filled, gut ridden in fact. he is so filled with guts that he's gonna kick the terrorist's ass with both hands behind his back.

why...he is so full of guts he can't see straight

so full of guts he keeps spilling his guts everywhere he goes

yes sir re bob

guts and gumption

guts galore

guts should be his middle name

we should be calling him president guts

he doesn't care if we hate his guts
why should he? he's got so many guts there are enough guts to go around for everyone to hate

yep. gumption and guts.

gumpy-guts




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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 03:19 AM
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30. It is time for the New York Times
to print all the things that they never had the guts to tell the American people that they have been keeping back about for three and a half years.
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exlrrp Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 07:05 AM
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31. Time to confront the NYTimes on things they never told us!!
Thanks for sitting on the NSA story throughout the last elections, blankholes
Hope your not holding back critical information this time too
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