The Big, Ugly Picture - we are so, so screwed....

[NRaleighLiberal]

What in the world has gone wrong here? We are a so-called "Christian" nation, so many have so little - New Orleans is still a mess, the current economic "boom" is leaving so, so many people behind....several BILLION DOLLARS are being pissed away on this election (and how does that make those who are not in the upper crust feel?)...we have an ignorant drug addicted hypocrite making fun of and mocking someone with a serious disease. Folks, pull back a bit and look at the big picture. Our government, our behavior as human beings is utterly pathetic. We have a party in charge of everything that are pretty much incapable of telling the truth about anything. They rewrite history on a minute by minute basis. We have a good possibility of the unthinkable having occurred twice - 2000 and 2004 - and potentially to happen again - we are seeing the disintegration of the very fabric of the consititution, the bill of rights, of our freedom. And another ultimate irony - whether by theft or by true selection, the majority of people favor these criminals. And the majority of THEM are not being helped at all by those they elect - in fact, they are being used and laughed at.

Well, I don't know about you, but this is all making me sick and making me lose hope. Please tell me something good - convince me that we will somehow turn the corner. I am losing hope. And I know what many of you will say - buck it up, get out there and fight, get active, etc etc etc - but we do seem to be sinking into depths that are historic, in the worst sense. I am 50, my wife and I have had a wonderful life, and it is not for us that I am so heartsick - it is for those in this country - this world - that have been negatively impacted by the disastrous, criminal administration of this country and its right wing cronies - no longer working for the people, but only for themselves, their vanity, their power. I think we need some sort of miracle at this point. I will watch with hope that something good happens in two weeks, and that some of the harm that has been done can at least begin to be reversed. But I wonder if we are at a point that is too far gone.

[Howardx]

1. youre right

im just gonna give up and not even bother

[marmar]

2. Every Rome has its Nero...

And Bush has found his fiddle.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

3. Do You Not Realize There's A Potentially World Changing Election In

two weeks? Put your energy into getting people out to vote for it. It's just two weeks. Can you wait to cry about our country and our doomed fate until afterwards? Just two weeks. That's all you have to get through. After that, you'll have no qualms from me if you still want to cry doom and gloom. But in two weeks and 1 day ok? Fair enough?

[StellaBlue]

4. My dose of realistic optimism.

I don't believe in the march of progress. Human history is a cycle. We have been fortunate enough to live in a small blip of light, with darkness on either side. We have had rights, we have been able to choose our government and enjoy due process. We have, largely, led comfortable - no, comparatively, LUXURIOUS lives, unlike the millions of people who have already died in the aeons before us.

I believe that oligarchy is inevitable. We must fight to keep it at bay.

But I also disagree with Saint Paul. I think the greatest is hope.

[sce56]

5. Hey 56 been there done that and yes it is Pathetic the Admin and its minions

But don't give up hope! We just might turn the corner next month if not I'll see you and all others here in the concentration camps that will be coming! "It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees." Que Viva Zapata!

October 17, 2006,Will be remembered as the Enabling day of the 21st Century!
"The government will make use of these powers only insofar as they are essential for carrying out vitally necessary measures..."
~Adolf Hitler, March 23, 1933, before the German Parliament (Reichstag) as he urged them to pass his "Enabling Act"


Got Fascism Yet?

[democrank]

6. NRaleighLiberal.....

I truly understand how you feel, but please try to hang in there and help turn this thing around. Take care....

[PassingFair]

7. I hear ya, NRaleigh...

I wake up with bile in my throat EVERY MORNING.
I haul my tired butt off to work and try to sell
advertising to companies TOO BROKE to PAY FOR WHAT
THEY ALREADY HAVE!

I worry for my kids, who will surely have to get
scholarships for college, because I have had to
use our savings to pay the rent in our "off" months.

Now I learn that the chimp plans to run on the
"strength of the economy".

I seriously don't know whether to laugh or to cry.
I sometimes find myself doing BOTH AT THE SAME TIME!

Still the war rages on...
Still he pumps a BILLION a week into the sand...
Still he wipes his ASS with OUR constitution...
Still he bulldozes OUR WALL OF CHURCH/STATE SEPARATION
Still increasing MILLIONS go without health care...
Still the debt increases...
Still foreclosures soar...

I have no problem going to sleep at night...
it's the waking that horrifies me.

[MadMaddie]

8. We all despair from time to time and the burdon of trying to

save our country becomes such a heavy burden that we think we can't go on...

Even in the darkest of times MLK had words of wisdem...reading quotes from his speeches give me strength....



Remember this....

Martin Luther King.....

Somehow this madness must cease. We must stop now. I speak as a child of God and brother to the suffering poor of (Iraq) Vietnam. I speak for those whose land is being laid waste, whose homes are being destroyed, whose culture is being subverted. I speak for the poor in America who are paying the double price of smashed hopes at home and death and corruption in (Iraq)Vietnam. I speak as a citizen of the world, for the world as it stands aghast at the path we have taken. I speak as an American to the leaders of my own nation. The great initiative in this war is ours. The initiative to stop it must be ours.

Martin Luther King, Jr., The Trumpet of Conscience, 1967



If a man hasn't discovered something that he will die for, he isn't fit to live.

Martin Luther King, Jr., Why We Can't Wait, 1964.


I am scared just like you but I know that we with other true Americans will ensure that America and the constitution are protected....

[ChairmanAgnostic]

9. i suspect you folks agree

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[proudlibal]

10. Never fear

I to have felt this same desperation at times. I am a 33 yo mother of 2 young children, and I have had many sleepless nights worrying what kind of America they are growing up in. But like the response earlier, you have got to find your will, and really get out there and push, hard!!! Go to a rally, do a little phone banking, give that extra $20.00 to your local Dem candidate, whatever it takes. If we ALL do a little, alot will happen. Just remember, there are SOOOOOO many many independents out there, and so so many that just haven't got a clue yet. I for one am targeting those people. There is 4 young people in my family that are newely registered voters, and I have spent a great deal of time talking politics with them, and I am proud to say that those are 4 new Democrates. So like I said a little bit of action, WILL have alot of benefits, not to mention, with all the new media attention to election fraud, I am finding it hard to believe that they will even be able to steal this election, without a major uprising!:thumbsup:

[Neecy]

11. Amen

[mmonk]

12. Looks the same from my part of northwest Raleigh. Nonetheless,

it's what keeps me from taking anything for granted. The obligation to fight for change requires our attention.

[niyad]

13. dear NRL, I am 56, and I have been watching in horrified fascination

as this country turns into some bizarre, sick parody of itself, with the acquiescence of the sheeples, the ones who ought to be screaming the loudest about the encroachment of government.
however, I refuse to live in fear, I refuse to give up up. as the latin expression goes, "illegitimati non carburundum" or, "don't let the bastards grind you down." it is, perhaps, simplistic to think that love and hope can overcome nearly anything, but I do truly believe that. plus which, I am just too damned stubborn to let them win without my best efforts.

I was talking with a friend the other day about what happens if they steal the election again. do we despair? do we rail? do we yell? whatever happens, we will deal with it on nov. 8. whether we win one or both houses, or whether we have to challenge the outcome in the courts, we are not going to just lie down and let them roll over us. so please, try to hang in there, at least until the 8th. (I, personally, am posting signs everywhere, online and on the streets, instructing the repukes to vote on nov 8. it amuses me, and I am for anything that will bring us a bit of a smile or some laughter.)

although I have no idea what your belief system is, think about this. 0ct 31 is what is popularly known as halloween, but to the pagans, it is Samhain, our new year, the holiest day of the year. it is a time for new beginnings, for new projects, for hope and new growth. think about that as you see the little trick-or-treaters in their adorable costumes, full of hope, sure that treats and good things are coming to them. so it is for us, as well, on a more grown-up level.

try to hang in there, we need all of us, brave, loving, courageous, outraged, compassionate, passionate, caring, wonderful people to undo the mess of the last years, and to build the world OUR way.

Peace and remember: "be not afraid"

[Eric J in MN]

14. If you want to do something positive for the next two weeks...

...then sign up for "Call for Change" with www.moveon.org

[hootinholler]

15. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Hell NO!

I'm so sick and tired of this doom and gloom crap I could puke. I say if there's not a Dem majority in congress after the election we take to the streets.

-Hoot

[blues90]

16. I certainly understand how you feel

I hope we win these elections but even then there is alot of work to do and there are problems that may never be fixed .

I don;t know how of if the economy can be fixed , certainly it won't be in time for many people who are well into poverty now , we don't have an industry in this country anylonger , we make nothing here .

Look at education and the insurance and the damage done by Katrina , where is the hope people needed yesterday or a year ago ?

People seem to feel the elections are a cure all , no , they are a start to a long long turnaround and a changed game plan for americas future .

What about those who are near 60 , what are they to do for income , retrain doing what ?

add in global warming and these countless deaths , who fixes this ?

Yes we may win elections and we have a change but for many it is already far too late , what do we do to comfort them ? They are the forgotten ones .

anyone who still has a good job still has hope to hang onto , all others have at best more suffer to endure and the worst part is not many really care and all the political ground work on earth will not change this , it is all for the future of those who still have a chance today .

if you are young or have children to care for then you have something but what about those who have none of these things , they still deserve a fair life with food and shelter and health care and hope and where is their hope ?

I can't give hope to them and neither can anyone here .

Sure being politically active does help but the people who urge this now have wasted much time , this all started in 2000 , where the hell were all of you then ? What did you do then to ward off this horror , did you get out in the streets and force the will of the people or are you just waking up now ?

we the people allowed this horror to be born and allowed it to grow into a cancer like fools , you know it and I know it and now , now everyone is out there with their damn hope , should have could have attitude is a bit late now .

tell the ones who have lost all and see if they care about the big hope of the elections next month . Then tell them to build up for 2008 , that is if we ever get there . 2008 posts on who will win and who will be the best make me want to puke . Do you realize that is 8 years past 2000 when this all became so very screwed up ? 8 damn years of complete horror , make this go way and then you have done something . Fix the problems of those who suffer today and you have done something . To put all faith in some jack ass politician to me is a damn sick joke because they or you with the political hope have not one answer to one of the problems we are dealing with today .

I have heard the same offered solutions for over 45 years and not one has been done , not one . All the talk of better schools and healthcare and fairness and better working and wages have been bantered about for decades and what have we got , we have the worst damn country we have ever had to since my 57 years on this ball /

Take is the cheapest and easiest thing to bellow out of ones mouth but it means not one damn thing if NOTHING is ever fixed .

I give a shit about who the candidates for 2008 will be , that is insane game playing , wake up people , wake the hell up .