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Grebrook Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:43 PM
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Will Democrats pick up 15 seats in just THREE states? OH-PA-NY?
Edited on Tue Oct-24-06 11:17 PM by Grebrook
That’s the question I think no one has really been asking since everyone is so worried about scrambling to collect 15 out of the entire country. But can Dems really pick up 15 in just these three states? I think they can, and here’s my case.

If you look at a number of states you see Democrats surging in certain environments. For example, in Indiana, Dems are about to pick up 3 seats alone, despite all common sense dictating that they couldn’t in such a red state. Why? An unpopular Republican president, incumbents treading below 65% in previous elections, and most importantly, an unpopular Republican governor. Now, where else do we see that happening?

Let’s have a look.

1.) Ohio - By far the biggest Dem pick up waiting to happen. If you don’t believe a party can pick up 5 seats or more in a single state during a wave election, you better check your recent history. Back in 1994 the Republicans picked up a grand total of 5 seats in JUST the state of Washington alone, and Washington only has 9 house seats. That was a monumental flip. Now take a look at Ohio. You have even better circumstances for a massive Democratic gain. A.) The most despised Republican governor in the entire country, running at 18% approval, which has trickled over and sunk Mike DeWine’s re-election campaign against a spit-and-shine liberal progressive, Sherrod Brown. B.) As mentioned, Mike DeWine is losing in is bid for the senate by about 10 points, and Ken Blackwell is losing in his bid for the governorship by a whopping 25 points in the last three polls. C.) Jean Schmidt won the special election in the 2nd district in 2005, without Katrina, further down spiraling in the Iraq War, Jack Abramoff, Foley, Libby, Dubai Ports or any other GOP scandal even having hit the papers yet, with just 3% victory in a seat that went for the previous Republican by 72%. That’s a decline of 21 points in just five months. A year later, she’s losing or tied in every poll in the district, the most Republican district in Ohio. If she goes down, she’s not going alone. Every Republican who won re-election with less than 65% might go with her. Polls show Debora Pryce losing, Bob Ney’s open seat another guaranteed Dem pick up. Michael Oxley and Michael Turner will also probably be defeated, and the RNC contribution-fact-sheet DKos obtained today even lists Steve Chabot in the first district on its list of most vulnerable tossups. D.) SurveyUSA has consistently shown, for the last straight year, that Ohio as the highest dissaproval for Bush among states that voted for him in 2004, even higher than a half dozen blue states. It might sound like a ludicrous prediction, but I really think the Dems are going to knock off 6 Republicans in Ohio alone. If they do, there’s no question well take the house.

2.) Pennsylvania - All of the latest polls have Dems not only winning about 4 seats, but 1 of those seats shouldn’t even be a Democratic win. A.) Curt Weldon’s FBI raid has tanked him, he was losing to begin with. A perfect nail in the coffin. B.) Gerlach only won re-election in 2004 by 2 points and is losing in the latest polls, C.) Fitzpatrick is also down under Murphy in the latest polls, D.) And of course we all know the Republicans have basically conceded the defeat of mistress-choking Don Sherwood, even despite the heavy GOP district he represents. The suburbs of Phili are in complete revolt. Another likely Republican defeat will be Melissa hart, probably the toughest fight of them all. A lot of angry voters will be coming out on Election Day to knock off Rick Santorum. And don’t believe the hype about his get-out-the-vote machine. According to the recent USA-Today poll in Pennsylvania, there is actually a +3 boost in Dem voters between registered and likely voters heading to the polls to knock off Rick Santorum, defying traditional wisdom of GOP higher turnout. Rendell is leading by 20 points now in the governor’s race, and Casey is back to a 13 point lead. On Election Day, it might be 15-18. That would certainly trickle down and knock off a fifth GOP incumbent, Melissa hart. And, of course, if it does, there’s no question we take the house.

3.) New York - Another classic example of a bad environment for the GOP, but this one seems to be more of an overall decay. The NY GOP has completely imploded, and probably taken about 4 of their seats with them. A.) Firstly, Eliot Spitzer is crushing his GOP opponent by a ridiculous 70%-20% margin in all of the recent polling, and Clinton continues to trounce Spencer by about 2-1, 60%-30%, which means, despite her being more divisive and despised among Republicans, she will actually get more of the vote than Kerry did in 2004. B.) Internal polling by independent sources has Dems trouncing at least two Republicans, Tom Reynolds and the Republican candidate for the 24th district open seat. Both are guaranteed pick ups. C.) Peter King is basically the only Republican left on Long Island, and a very visible one, and the latest polling has him within the margin of error, leading by only 2 points. I think his visibility as a Republican icon from NY will ultimately bring him down by a razor thin margin. D.) Internal polling also puts Sue Kelly, Jim Walsh and Jon Sweeney either behind or 5 points ahead at best. In the thirteenth district, Vito Fossella lost a lot of ground in 2004, and won 59% of the vote; his district was won by Kerry, and polling has shown that Dems have stopped cross-voting for Republicans, especially in the Northeast. Ultimately I think he loses, being the last Republican from NYC. Randy Kuhl is additionally losing in the polls to his Dem challenger in the 29th district. Among those five (Sweeney, Fossello, Kelly, Walsh, Kuhl), it is almost impossible that at least one will not be defeated. Four seats, in the end, will belong to the Democrats in NY. Looking at the massive failure of the NY GOP and their humiliating defeat upcoming in the gubernatorial and senate races, I think many GOP voters may flat out stay home and not bother trying to change it.

Another important fact to consider is that Ohio and PA are disproportionately represented by Republicans to begin with. The GOP controls 12 of 18 seats in Ohio, 12 of 19 in PA.

So thats:
Ohio - 6
Pennsylvania - 5
New York - 4

Can we sink the GOP in just 3 states? Damn right we can. And if not, we’ll damn well fight as if we have no other alternative. Cause if we even come close, then all of the good news that will be coming out of Florida, Arizona, Indiana, Connecticut and Colorado will be just be the cherries on top of our big fat ice cream sunday.

Also - All those that wish to challenge my prediction, please do so from the non-diebold perspective.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:44 PM
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1. Don't know about OH
Already there's been voter fraud...
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 09:14 AM
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19. Republicans are dirt in Ohio.
Edited on Wed Oct-25-06 09:37 AM by Marie26
I've recently visted & can say that ranting about Republicans is now the most popular topic of conversation there. LOTS of people have lost money from their pensions funds thanks to Noe, and almost every major Republican is involved in some kind of corruption scandal. People are also angry because Republicans have raised taxes repeatedly, & haven't done anything to stop the flow of jobs out of Ohio. I could easily see Republicans losing the governorship (Go Strickland!), the Senate seat & at least 3 House of Rep. seats.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:45 PM
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2. Indiana has 3 possibly on the way
That's going to be hella sweet.
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 09:51 AM
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22. Yup, I can hear My Bitch Mitch crying in his beer already
:)

:hi:
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:46 PM
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3. Sounds good to me
Edited on Tue Oct-24-06 10:49 PM by kingofalldems
I believe we could pick up one in NC of all places. Heath Shuler, former NFL quarterback. I understand Bilbray is running behind in Cali, there's another one.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:47 PM
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4. And 3 within reach in CT too. n/t
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:47 PM
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5. Damn, Grebrook, I love this post
More, more, more!

:headbang:

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:49 PM
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6. I have a feeling we'll be picking some up in Illinois, too.
Edited on Tue Oct-24-06 10:49 PM by impeachdubya
At least one or two I can think of right now.

And California- I really hope Pombo's going down.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:49 PM
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7. There's always something rotten in Ohio, but contrary to a freak-out
post here today, I don't think DeWine has taken the lead against his nemesis, whose name escapes me for some dumb reason because his first name is unusual.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:49 PM
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8. Chanting: OH-PA-NY! OH-PA-NY! OH-PA-NY! OH-PA-NY!...
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 12:04 PM
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24. say it as one word
OHPANY
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mconvente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:49 PM
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9. you know, when we are in play in Idaho...
you know it's gonna be a sweet night in exactly 2 weeks. Oh I can't wait!
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:54 PM
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10. Those states will have the most turnover
But there are other states that will have at least one of their seats go blue.
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:55 PM
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11. Watch MI as well...
Edited on Tue Oct-24-06 11:07 PM by roamer65
I am hearing now that MI-11 and MI-09 are now well within the margins of error. Tony Trupiano and Nancy Skinner just may win these seats as well for the Dems. We get a high turnout and it could be a very good night in MI.

I think Bob Taft is going to take the Ohio GOP right down the crapper. Let Blackwell try and steal it. He'll have thousands of protesters to deal with...hehehe.
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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 11:01 PM
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12. It's going to be tight, but John Hall
in NY's 19th is running a great race. My wife was working the phones for him the other night( we are next door in Mo Hinchey's district), but she teaches in what we think is going to Hall's district. Kirsten Gillibrand is also looking strong against Sweeney in the 20th. So it could be two right there.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 09:00 AM
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18. it may not be as tight as you might imagine . . .
other than possibly her home town, there's no particular affection for Sue Kelly in the district . . . she's one of those elected officials who's just there -- innocuous, inoffensive, someone who brings a few federal dollars to the district every so often . . . but unlike many "name" Repugs, she doesn't seem to have a really committed base of personal support, and people are S-O-O-O-O ready for change in Washington you can almost taste it . . .

John Hall wasn't all that well-known before the primary, but the more people learn about him, the more they like him . . . he's running as a "citizen candidate," someone who's not a career politician, and that's a big plus this year . . . his environmental credentials are strong (also a big plus in the lower Hudson Valley), and his position against the war is the winning one this year . . .

everything I've seen suggests that Sue Kelly is in real trouble, and that John will win this thing with more of a margin than most expect . . . I sure hope I'm right . . .
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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 05:04 PM
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30. I work over in Poughkeepsie,
Edited on Wed Oct-25-06 05:04 PM by tomg
and talking to some of my co-workers, I was hearing the same thing. Since I teach at a college, though, I figured some of it was our normal optimism and that it was going to be tighter. I'm glad to know what your perception is. Hall is going to be a great representative. He did great stuff when he was on my side of the river. Boy I feel good today. Thanks

edit: typo
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Danascot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 09:49 AM
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21. I think NY will pick up at least 5 new Dem seats
All the top of the ticket races in NY will go Dem. I think a lot of Rs will stay home out of discouragement and fence-sitters will vote Dem or stay home out of disgust. A sweep of all 8 is a long shot but keep your fingers crossed, we may have a big night in NY on the 7th! ... send money if you can!
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Nordmadr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 11:55 AM
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23. 25th District needs some help with Maffei as the Dem. candidate. nt
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 11:09 PM
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13. There are some tight races in California
I'd expect a couple seats to come from here.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 11:13 PM
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14. Here in Ohio, we will pick up two, maybe three seats...
The districts are just drawn for the GOP....
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Grebrook Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 11:30 PM
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16. Gerrymandering isnt always 100 percent full proof, look at Chet Edwards
Edwards represents a district won by Bush by 70%, and hes winning 55-38%. Local issues have important effects on house races. If this election is nationalized, and local issues in Ohio are also bad for the OP, its highly likely that it could kill 6 of their seats.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 12:49 AM
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17. I live here and have worked for the State Party in several elections
The Dem's are going to win the Ney seat... They stand to win the Pryce seat...

They could perhaps win the Schmidt race....

Other than that, the districts are stacked against the dems...
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 11:15 PM
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15. make that 14, the Foley seat is ours
His name is still on the ballot.
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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 12:11 PM
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26. As is the Delay seat- n/t
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Nordmadr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 09:35 AM
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20. Arcuri (the local DA) is beating Meier (state senate Republican)
at this point, which I have to say, SURPRISES THE HELL OUT OF ME. This tends to be pretty damned conservative district in upstate New York totally dominated by republicans. Our local County Executive (Republcan) is running for Meier's State Senate seat. Looks like Meier may find himself unemployed. Guess he overestimated.

Olafr
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 12:07 PM
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25. wisconsin 5
We need help for Bryan Kennedy in his race to defeat Sensenbrenner
he is very close


BRYAN KENNEDY FOR CONGRESS WISCONSIN 5 DEFEAT SENSENGOOBER
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 12:15 PM
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27. NY May Actually Go COMPLETELY DEM!!!
Isn't that amazing? Every congressional rep might be a Dem! And we've got a damn good chance of taking the majority of the State Senate too!
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Grebrook Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 01:52 PM
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28. Well, today is gay marriage day in NJ, I dont think this will effect my predictions
though...
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Grebrook Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 04:49 PM
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29. Kick
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Grebrook Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 06:46 PM
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31. Looks like I need to kick it again, everyone is in a self-defeating mood tonight
god almighty, no one cares about the decision in New Jersey, it isnt going to effect the election
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