How will the GOP claim "Dem vote fraud" if they lose? Here's one way.

[WilliamPitt]

U.S. Investigates Voting Machines’ Venezuela Ties
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/29/washington/29ballot.html?ei=5094&en=faf32dcfac906fa5&hp=&ex=1162184400&adxnnl=1&partner=homepage&adxnnlx=1162135001-qlrcI2gCgZYdE7wpm9eGHw

Yup. Chavez stole it.

[boston bean]

1. One of my greatest fears of this election is that they will steal

an election but it will be for a democrat and then they will contest it, prove it and stick the dems with it for a lifetime.

[Junkdrawer]

2. Yeah, and I'll bet they'll demand paper ballots too....

:sarcasm:

[Eric J in MN]

3. As long as their solution is paper ballots, publicly hand-counted...

...it's fine by me if we win and they say the 2006 election was stolen by electronic voting machines.

[Junkdrawer]

5. Nah, they'll just disqualify any non-Republican-owned company...

It's how they operate.

[LiberalArkie]

14. The south fought voting machines for decades. Why you ask?

Paper ballot elections are soooo easy to rig. Of course touch panels are almost as easy these days. But one day the touch panels will have open source programing and will be honest. But I can't think of an incumbent party that would want that, neither Dem or Repub.

[Atman]

4. One way or THE way?

This is the perfect recipe for them, and I can already hear the freepers revving up. "The leftists are in concert with the Venezuelan dictator, trying to undermine democracy!" It's tailor made. And since they don't read or research, and rely entirely on Fox News and FR, et al, this lie will permeate everything they say for the next two years, and beyond. The evil fuckwads behind the GOP are good at nothing if not planting seeds of doubt that require no proof or facts to grow quickly and intertwine with the party's "Clinton's fault", "Why do you hate America" ignorati.

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[BeFree]

9. One can only hope

I hope the freepers do start calling for an examination of the voting apparatus. As it is, only true blooded American Patriots who happen to be members of the Democratic Party are calling for the examination of the voting apparatus.

We would welcome them to the challenge.

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[babylonsister]

6. When Diebold and their ties are investigated,

then I'll believe this b.s. a bit more. nt

[ck4829]

7. Diebold colludes with Republicans. No biggie.

This happens and it becomes an investigation, pathetic on the Republican's part.

[NMDemDist2]

8. I got a Republican Party mailer here in SE NM (addressed to the old owner)

and that was the gist of it. That NM needs to check IDs at the polls cuz 6 people didn't get to vote cuz some illegal immigrant had voted under their name(s)

:argh:

:banghead:

it was a twofer, bash illegal immigrants and set up why they'll lose

[Jackpine Radical]

10. Well, if they pull the "stolen election" accusation trick,

it's a one-time rodeo; they will be burning the voting machine strategy for themselves. Which may just mean that they are on to something else, some kind of totally new and heretofore unsuspected approach to stealing things.

There would actually be a silver lining of sorts to Puggy accusations of electon fraud. The whole enterprise of stealing elections is based on corrupting the system in such a way that it doesn't appear to be corrupted. Once they make the corruption visible, the there will be an immediate demand for reforms, and the reforms will neutralize their most effective methodologies, leaving them with only the old standbys like voter suppression & ballot-box stuffing.

[msongs]

11. main difference is the repubs SPEAK UP while dems stew quietly

before raising a stink. the repubs will start demanding recounts before the polling places even close. they will send out their goon squads to flood registrars offices ala florida. they will demand recounts and revotes and election reform and most important:

THEY WILL NOT CONCEDE BEFORE THEIR VOTERS WAKE UP THE morning AFTER THE ELECTION, ala John Kerry.

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm

[tjwash]

12. So let me get this straight...

Voting equipment made in Venezuela is bad now.

Diebold executives which have given millions to the Bush-Cheney, and to the RNC though, are still A-OK and have no link to contested elections in 2000, 2002, and 2004.

Does that about cover it?

[EFerrari]

17. Yes, is it becasse CHAVEZ is a MADMAN.

:rofl:

[dave502d]

13. It's not the machines that dose the vote fraud.

It's the virus the GOP install in the software.

[EFerrari]

15. Yeah, we were talking about that last night. CHAVEZ is flipping

votes for Republicans in Broward County!

:rofl:

[maddezmom]

16. a Dem asked for the investigation

:shrug: maybe she was trying to head off the possiblity of the repubs using it as an excuse?
U.S. Voting Machine Company’s Possible Ties to Foreign Government Draws Congressional Inquiry
http://maloney.house.gov/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=1095&Itemid=61

[Peace Patriot]

19. Chaos in Iraq. Chaos in our election system. That's the plan.

All the better to steal us all blind.

This has been the problem with the Reagan/Gingrich/Bush "conservatism" all along: greed. And in order to feed the pigs--after all the methodical theft that Reagan/Gingrich made possible --tax code rewrite, S&L lootings, deregulation, privatization, welfare for military contractors, big deficit spending but on the wrong things, etc.--followed by Clintonomics--"balance" the budget, steal from the poor, global piracy, job outsourcing, sweatshops--followed by outright fascism under Bush (both hands stealing, corporations AND government)--there is not much more to be squeezed from U.S. taxpayers, workers and the poor, so it cannot be done with even a modicum of legality: it must be done by means of chaos.

Think about it:

Afghanistan (the Taliban winning).
Iraq (what reconstruction? civil chaos).
Katrina (chaos).
Abu Ghraib (innocents tortured, hatred, more chaos--so many examples of it)
U.S. elections (extremely unreliable, hackable machines run on secret code; media predicting "chaos")

What is their major mode now? Nothing works. Feigned incompetence. Massive breakdowns of order and lawfulness, good government and good policy. Katrina was the key. It's not that Americans are incompetent at simple disaster preparedness and rescue. We never have been before. If anything, we are the most competent people in the world on such efforts. Red flag: The first no-bid contract went to Halliburton, which had already stolen billions of dollars in Iraq and hasn't even fixed the electrical grid.

Bush's buds at Diebold and ES&S are doing the same thing to our election system. The result may well be "chaos"--uncertainty, unverifiable vote counts, voting machine "breakdowns," charges and counter-charges, election challenges, Hastert swearing in Bushites while the votes are still being "counted" (CA-50), the Dems fight back this time, but the battle grows into a bloody mess and they end up "compromising" on a feckless majority in the House that can do nothing to stop the continued looting of our treasury--now up to $10 TRILLION of our FUTURE money--which catapults us into the Great Depression of the 21st century, in which Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wrecking Crew escape to Paraguay (a perch from which to destroy South American democracy and turn that continent back over to Global Corporate Predators and death squads), and we and the Corporate Democrats are left to sort out the "chaos" in the U.S.

Conservatism it is not. It never was. It was all just prep for creating the best environment for global thieves and marauders. Chaos.

[Peace Patriot]

20. What's missing from this NYT story is that Venez. uses OPEN SOURCE CODE

to count the votes.

The investigation is so absurd. But I think what we're looking at is the result of master criminals being in charge of our investigative and other federal agencies.

About two weeks ago, we had the EAC feeding a report to Bruce McDiebold (ahem... Bruce McPherson), Diebold's hand-picked Calif Sec of State--appointed by Schwarz after they "swifted-boated" our anti-Diebold Democratic Sec of State, Kevin Shelley, out of office--that demanded that Calif return a couple of million dollars in federal money that Shelley is supposed to have "misspent." McDiebold is undoing all of the Shelley's election reforms, and has illegally RE-certified Diebold touchscreens, in the Bushite effort to turn Calif into a "red state," against the will of its people. He sent a letter to AG Bill Lockyer that Lockyer should sue SHELLEY for this money (Shelly--who resigned because he had no personal money with which to defend himself against bogus charges). McDiebold now has to get elected (--or (s)elected is probably a more accurate word). His opponent, DEBRA BOWEN (lifelong commitment to open government and transparent elections) said that this (McDiebold telling Lockyer to sue Shelley) is an election ploy. Obviously it is. But the deeper aspect of it is the EAC report: the Bushites feeding info to rats like McDiebold, under the guise of government legitimacy. The Bushites likely conducted a black op on Shelley to get rid of him, in the first place. (He was influencing other election officials across the country to be cautious and vigilant about electronic voting technology, prior to the 2004 election.)

That a Democrat called for the investigation into Sequoia is absolutely no guarantee that this Venezuela thing is not a Bushite black op (dirty investigation with political and worse goals). The new Democratic leadership in the CA legislature COLLUDED in the "swiftboating" of Kevin Shelley, and even strongarmed good Dems to shut up about it. (And many Dems hid under their desks while this was happening.) Another operative was Connie McCormack, head of Los Angeles elections and another Diebold shill.

The Democratic Party is not clean on this matter--evidenced by their mind-boggling silence while Diebold and ES&S--two corporations with very close ties to the Bush regime and far rightwing causes--took over our election system.

Sequoia is the THIRD big player--but not nearly so big as Diebold and ES&S. I'm thinking one motive could be to push Sequoia out of the market. Not that I have any love for Sequoia (except for their doing Venezuelan elections with OPEN SOURCE code--code that anyone may review.) THEY employ Republicans Bill Jones and his chief aide Alfie Charles to peddle their machines--the two crooks who brought this election theft technology ("trade secret," proprietary code) to California. (Jones was Sec of State when it happened--Shelley inherited that disaster and started trying to clean it up, when he got a 1,000 lb. weight dropped on his head).

I don't think we can see all the Byzantine pathways and corridor backstabbings and bedside poisonings of the tremendous scandal of Bushite corporations gaining control of our elections, at the moment. This thing on Venezuela is the tip of the iceberg--possibly a pre-emptive strike on what may be coming out in Robert Kennedy Jr.'s lawsuit against Diebold and ES&S. As always, the Bushites are always guilty of what they accuse others of doing--and they have thrown up smokescreens like this on a number of matters.

Perhaps we can take heart from this strange focus of their attention--as we can from their extraordinary efforts to remove Kevin Shelley from office. It means that they're WORRIED. One of the things Shelley demanded of Diebold in his lawsuit against them was to see their source code.

[KoKo]

21. Kick...it's starting.........