Does anyone on DU realize why many of us say Kerry shouldn't run for Prez again?

[napi21]

I like the guy, but I was born and raised in Pa.! That's a NE state, and we understand all this stuff. Many people fromm any other atates don't!

I'm not just talking about what he said today, but his ability to forsee what people will actually think about anything he says.

I'm sorry John,you're just not ever going to be Prez.

Sorry. I know my keyboard fails to respond to some strokes. I try to watch it, but sometimes but I get so aggrivated sometimes, I fail to check before I post. I'll try to be more cautious in the future.

[BeyondGeography]

1. I agree, but you're typing like a drunk person

[BlooInBloo]

4. I thought mebbe his/her keyboard was broken - lol!

[Redstone]

2. Well, since you're so eloquent, I guess we should listen to you.

Redstone

[DaveJ]

3. What is an NZE state?

n/t

[napi21]

8. NE as in North East. n/t

[Spider Jerusalem]

11. ...

so being from the northeast gives you deeper insight and greater understanding than someone from, say, Seattle or Minneapolis?

You DO realise how incredibly stupid and ridiculously fucking arrogant that sounds, right?

[aquart]

5. You're talking like he lost the election. I don't recall that.

I recall Democrats lining up to vote and criminal acts preventing them. I recall fraud after fraud after fraud.

Please don't give me this garbage about Kerry not ever being president. If we'd counted even the votes we were allowed to cast, he would have been president.

I will never appreciate Democrats spewing Republican trash talk.

[wanpete]

6. Napi, you totally understand my frustration on the du tonight...

I also live in an area in the exact same scenario exists. Yes, we understand nuances and blunders. There are many who dont. We cannot make this an issue.

I know this is not a popular opinion here, but I think that Kerry is trying to show his balls so that he can be a viable candidate in '08. The problem I have with him is that we didnt see this in '04 when he could have won with this type of rhetoric. He sat, and sat, and sat while he was swiftboated night after night after night.

It's about winning the congress now, not about Kerry.

[DaveJ]

9. Uh, I don;t want to start anything but...

I really don;t think Kerry was trying to win... Tinfoil hat time. :tinfoilhat:

It would have taken inconceivable incompetence to actually try and lose against blunder boy in 2004.

Anyway, interesting that you note you live in a state where similar scenarios exist since th OPs profile says she's in the same state.

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[napi21]

12. Agreed. I also think he doesn't have a chance again.

I like the guy, and I think he would ake a good President. I think he just doesn't have the ability to be funny,and he really should leave the jokes alone!

John is a very smart guy, and has great ideas, but he just doesn't have the ability to project them to the majority of the American people.

You're a great Senator John. Stay there and do a great job.

[KoKo]

24. He picked an inappropriate time to "show his balls" and that might

be what his problem is. He's a very nice person who holds his anger in check and it pops out at the wrong time and in the wrong place.

Like many Dems he still doesn't "get" the attack machine and the way politics works in these Rovian/RW Times.

I believe Kerry won in '04...but he would have won bigger if he hadn't behaved like a "gentleman." Those times are gone and we will never get them back. Compromise and fairness aren't words that mean anything in these times.

[Ignacio Upton]

7. The ONLY good thing about his comment that I can see

Is that it dooms his chances of Kerry '08 in terms of getting re-nominated, because now people will remember Kerry '04, in terms of the gaffes. Also...if we lose again next Tuesday because of his comment, he will be blamed, instead of the Rahm vs. Dean battle that would otherwise ensue over spending tactics.

[LittleClarkie]

10. Who's talking about being president for fuck's sake.

If he's out campaigning for Dems, it's not just because he wants to be president.

This is about the damn midterms. God forbid the man should be working his ass off to get Dems elected.

Really don't know why you bring that up in the midst of all this ruckus. It's beside the point.

We can talk about that after next Tuesday, okay?

Now what are YOU doing to get Dems elected?

[napi21]

15. I made 30 phone calls tonight in support of our local Lt Gov.

What are YOU doing?

I don't mean this to turn into a who shot john thread. Just be careful what accusations you are making when you don't know who's o the other end of your thread.

KERRY MANAGED, SINGLE HANDEDLY to get the media off Shrub and the Iraq War. THAT is a problem for the Dems. Not an insurmountable one, but a problem none the less.

I respect John for fighting back, and I liked his argunemt. He just shouldn't have said it in the first place.

[LittleClarkie]

16. Walking my ward putting Bryan Kennedy flyers in doors

and taking off work the day before the election to GOTV.

Fine. He shouldn't have said it in the first place. But why go from that point to talking about him being president when he hasn't even announced yet.

I'm just sick of talking about presidential politics when we're not even through the midterms yet.

Sorry if I was a bit... grumpy.

[napi21]

19. I guess I screwed upin mentioning his Presential aspirations.

He now has thewhole media talking about HIM instead of Shrub's screw ups andall the Pub missteps.

If I mademy statements in error, I'm sorry. I'm just pi**ed at Kerry for throwing a jam into the 06 campaign.

[fedupinBushcountry]

13. Yep thats the ticket

what the fuck are you trying to prove. This is asinine. My God Kerry stands up to the lying pieces of shit, and you are dissing him.

With people like you who needs enemies. This is shameful.

[originalpckelly]

14. Two years too late.(nt)

[fedupinBushcountry]

17. So are you n/t

[Bridget Burke]

23. So many posters saying "Where was THIS Kerry in 2004"?

But it would be rude to ask why they only signed onto DU in 2006....

[tkmorris]

18. Eggs-act-lee

I wish I could nominate a response because yours deserves one. I really can't believe how eager some people are to jump on Kerry's back today.

Save it until next Wednesday, ok people? We have a bloody election to win.

[politicasista]

20. Who cares about 2008?

Kerry hasn't said if he is running anyway? Are you afraid of him? You must be otherwise you wouldn't be attacking him for standing up to the right wing smear machine.


2006 is the ONLY thing that matters right now.

[blm]

22. The most ELOQUENT people in history would have their words twisted by BushInc

if they happened to be opposing them.

Why on earth do you think this is exclusive to Kerry? They twisted a MEMORIAL SERVICE for Wellstone. They twist EVERYTHING.

Name the miracle Democrat who is is immune

Jesus? Churchill? Lincoln? You think ANY of them would escape without being run through an editting room and mediaspin?

[Red Right and BLUE]

25. Nope. nt

[seabeyond]

26. i dnt think you could be more off base. i think you are wrong n/t

[Bridget Burke]

27. Yes, because there are a lot of Kerry haters here.

I've spent most of my life in Texas & Kerry has always impressed me as a smart guy. Not an "elitist."

And I've always seen Bush as a half-bright failed fratboy.

[sendero]

28. I don't want him for 2008..

... but he made a minor error compared to the right wing's daily major errors.

He needs to get on TV and counter the bullshit interpretations, and he needs to NOT BACK DOWN.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

29. You hit on something important here.

I'm not just talking about what he said today, but his ability to forsee what people will actually think about anything he says.

That's been my feeling as well. Considering the problems he's had with being labeled "anti-military" by the right-wingers in the past, you'd think he would tread carefully with comments in this area.

[CTyankee]

32. I agree with you. As smart as JK is, he doesn't seem to have

the ability to step outside of himself and look at the situation and context for his remarks. Surely, he knows that this is a very dicey time right before the election and that the media is so biased it will take ANYTHING remotely resembling a troublesome remark about the troops and keep it blown up, aided by the Republicans who are desperate.

BTW, the Kerry story led on The Today Show this morning. Nothing else was happening in the world I guess.

This is a lesson to us all. You've got to keep on message constantly and not try any innovative "joking" methods at this point in the campaign!

[NorthernSpy]

30. 'cause we didn't want him in the first place?

For some, it's hard to forget the engineered takedown of Dean, or the careful exclusion of Kucinich (who was my first choice) -- or any of the other stuff crammed down our throats by Those Who Know Better (or claim to).

So when the establishment's man chooses this moment to put his foot in it -- right when our anger and determination are finally turning the tide -- then yeah: many of us are inclined to resent that.

[bigtree]

31. why do folks just fold when the republicans make these distortions

and lie?

Why should folks follow anyone who just lays down and beats themselves everytime the opposition makes something up?