Is Hillary throwing Kerry under the bus for a run at Prez in 2008?

[symbolman]

I can see no other reason why Hillary would ask for Kerry to Apologise when we all KNOW what Kerry was talking about, and what kind of decent HERO he is..

It makes me sick and I wonder if she's not stabbing him in the back to further her chances in 2008..

If so THAT SUCKS.

[requiem99]

1. If Hillary is calling for Kerry's apology as a matter of politics I will never support her

This is exactly the kind of bullshit politicking the country is dying from.

[symbolman]

3. That's what I think

If the Dems worked in LOCKSTEP like the REPIGS we would NEVER LOSE.

[Name removed]

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[fhqwhgads]

2. oh god please no...

the repugs could run osama bin laden in 2008 and i'm pretty sure he could beat hillary.

[American Jesus]

37. Of course he would!

He'd have the fundraising power of the Bush Crime Family backing him up. As he always has.

[Mass]

5. Link, please.

[symbolman]

7. It was run on the ticker on I believe CNN

If so I hope it's NOT TRUE.. but it was there..

How about SUPPORTING A VET, I'm one and even if he misspoke what he said is STILL TRUE...

[Kajsa]

9. Yes, we need a link to this info.

Thanks.

[WI_DEM]

6. Yes, it's all politics just like Ford, Tester and whoever else is

calling on him to apologize. Too bad with a election six days away we can't all unite behind Kerry and demand that Bush apologize.

[mmonk]

8. That's what it's all about

whether that race or a congressional race. Personal politics and ambitions. Certainly personal politics has to be involved, but not at the level which precipitates dishonest attacks amongst ourselves. Republicans don't savage each other based on what democrats say.

[Crankie Avalon]

10. Two birds with one stone: Gets a major rival out of the way AND furthers her '08 chances.

Would the Republicans be doing this to themselves on the verge of a midterm win?

[Lena inRI]

11. Proof she's an OPPORTUNIST first, Democrat 2nd. . .

. . . course, I knew this all along. . .BEING FIRST FEMALE PREZ is all that consumes her every waking hour. . .what a foolhardy ambitious woman. . .convictions out the window. . .only winning Republican-Middle America matters. . . and kissing up to Bush family. . .what spell have they put on the Billary!

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[Kajsa]

22. Do we really want to start spreading rumors ( lies) about fellow Democrats?

Aren't the Republicans doing a good job of it?

[bbgrunt]

54. self delete

[Justitia]

12. Link? Proof? This is the SECOND thread I've seen on this w/no link. -eom

[lyonn]

14. Yup, link please or a clue as to where it came from nt

[davidwparker]

13. Kerry threw himself under the bus when he conceeded. He's slow to

realize that.

Outside of that, it was clear what he meant even if you just listen to the sound bite.

[BurtWorm]

15. Who says she's asked for an apology?

I haven't seen any stories about this.

[JohnnyLib2]

16. Settle down, class. CLASS! I SAID.......

Politicians are acting like politicians. We know that. Can we get back to important issues of November 1, 2006?

[Totallybushed]

17. I'm pretty sure that she is.

Frankly, I think Hillary would throw anyone, or any position, under the bus for the chance to be President.

But if you have to give up your ideals, is it worth it? And if it is, do you have any ideals?

[William Bloode]

18. I am no Hillary fan.

But i will wait to dog her out when i see some decent conformation, and not just unproven rumor. When i see some proof, then i'll ride her like a sway backed mule.

[emulatorloo]

19. Her office says NO ShE DID NOT SAY THAT --

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2539438&mesg_id=2539438

[BurtWorm]

20. I feel exactly the same way.

Only a totally moron would throw more fuel onto this winger's overblown fire.

[Kajsa]

21. I found nothing to substantiate this.

I checked the CNN website under political ticker.

There was nothing about Hillary criticizing/attacking Kerry.

She was critical of the BA and the Iraqi government.

http://tinyurl.com/yc4o25

Calling for “a fundamental change in course” in Iraq, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton presented her most comprehensive criticism yesterday of the Bush administration’s handling of the war, and she said the current government in Iraq had so far failed to be part of a solution.

“Only the Iraqi government can take action to create the conditions for a political settlement,” Mrs. Clinton said in a speech to the Council on Foreign Relations in New York. “Instead, the government in recent days seems to be going out of its way to rebuff our efforts to move in that direction.”

“American credibility is held hostage by an Iraqi government that will not fulfill its pledge to seek a political resolution of the rights and roles of the Sunni minority and to determine how oil revenue is allocated,” she added.

[TheDebbieDee]

23. We are being NETVOCATED, people.......

Where's the link to video of Hillary making this statement?

[Pathwalker]

24. Apparently, you're wrong, but who cares?

I guess that propaganda must taste very good. Why let the truth get in the way of DEM bashing....?

[symbolman]

43. See the link below please

and take a deep breath before you attack a fellow DU'r, when you are against propaganda yourself obviously.

DO NOT call ME a Dem Basher.

[The Gunslinger]

25. YES. she is nothing but a politician for her own self gain.

[Justitia]

33. Do you base that assertion on her NON-EXISTENT, NON-COMMENT? Or something else? -nt

[symbolman]

42. See the link below

Please.

[Justitia]

45. Yup, wrote that yesterday before confirmation. Painfully disappointed AGAIN.

I was trying to clamp down on unsubstantiated rumors, thinking we were being goaded into shooting our own.

So much for giving our elected officials the benefit of the doubt on this one.

Very, very sad.

[PATRICK]

26. One way or another, yes

A shoe-in to win she has obviously been using ads to see how much she can wring out of GOP crossovers and what works. Otherwise the ads are a waste of money. That Kerry walks into the campaign development program is nothing personal as his rivalry has little to do with the battle for Republican middle class votes Hillary needs to check the far RW feud against her.

Either way it demonstrates why I don't want her as a Presidential candidate, never mind whether she BELIEVES some of the moral hogwash issues she is using. Oddly, NY will strongly affirm her and that is too much for the judgment or ego of most aspirants to resist projecting to the national prospects.

[INdemo]

27. Does the sun set in the west?

[Blue_In_AK]

28. This is just one more reason why

I don't like Hillary. She has no loyalty and she panders. I hope her star dims to a mere flicker by 2008.

[Pathwalker]

29. Do you even care about the truth?

She DENIES having said ANYTHING, but "Dems" here swallow the BUSHIT like it's candy!

[Blue_In_AK]

30. Okay, okay, whatever...

I still don't like her, and I do believe she panders. Perhaps I'm a bit testy because of what I've been seeing other people HERE doing to John Kerry. I'm kind of disgusted by all the 'STFU, KERRY' threads.

[NoPasaran]

31. Some people here just grab any excuse to hate on Clinton

Makes no difference if it's our last president or the next one.

[symbolman]

41. Check out the link below

she certainly DID say something, that What Kerry had said was "INAPPROPRIATE".

Now, do YOU care about the TRUTH?

The reason some folks here believe me is because I am an HONEST and Trustworthy person according to many people, those that know me - I may not be RIGHT all the time, but I'm certainly not a DEM BASHER, and don't ever sink so low as to bullshit people. I abhore bullshit. I've run Takebackthemedia.com for years and know ALL the tricks they pull. WE have to be brutally honest and police our own, so that is admirable, but don't BASH DU'rs just because you think they are WRONG. Get the TRUTH instead as you seem to indicate is important to you.

I get in more trouble for being too HONEST if anything.. :)

[Pathwalker]

48. I wrote that while she was denying she said anything,

but I doubt that counts for anything with some people. A lot of people bash Dems here - and I've voted Dem all my life. Not that that makes me a Democrat, at least not a pure one here. Where I live, I'm considered radical, here - not even considered a Democrat.
For my part in this misunderstanding, I apologize.
AND, I'm sorry George Bush is an idiot, too.

[bbgrunt]

56. you keep saying see the link below, but there is no link in your post.

[Arkana]

32. If so who gives a shit.

People, in case you don't remember, SENATOR JOHN KERRY IS NOT RUNNING FOR ANYTHING. WHAT HE SAYS SHOULD HAVE NO BEARING ON OTHER CANDIDATES, AND THE FACT THAT HE IS CANCELING CAMPAIGN EVENTS MEANS HE IS TRYING TO MITIGATE THE DAMAGE.

[symbolman]

34. I AM NOT BASHING HILLARY

for those that don't know I'm a political activist and have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting these bastards.

I SAW it on a ticker, okay so maybe I over reacted, maybe it was FOX playing the DEM switch for a REPIG game, if so I apologise for that, thanks for clearing that up.

But I don't appreciate being accused of BASHING anyone other than LIEberman which I do at every opportunity, since I've met him on the trail during the Primaries and followed him.

IT WAS on a Ticker that Hillary was asking for Kerry to Apologise. You know it's just as possible that she DID, and then backtracked on her site.

I said clearly "IF SO THAT SUCKS." Well, according to the fine folks here on the DU who like to clear things up, it LOOKS like she wasn't saying that, but once again I SAW IT fair and square on a ticker. There's a LOT of misinformation on Kerry floating around so I guess I got sucked into it.

My apologies. But DO NOT doubt my Patriotism or fervor for getting DEMS in office please. A lot of the OLDER DU'rs here know me and know that I wouldn't do something like that. But the Hit and Run folks glory in bashing DU'rs, and I wish that would stop.

Just to clear something else up I saw that in a Hotel room and have spent all day travelling and have had no chance to check into it.. as a matter of fact I was RUN THROUGH THE RINGER at the airport today, accused of having traces of NITROGLYCERIN ON MY BAGS. They unloaded and went through EVERY BAG.

NOT a fun day. And the topper was I had matches in those bags and they left them IN THE BAGS, my carry on bags. Real slick.

Thanks to those that cleared this up.. but if I DO find it was said I will post that here as well.

My main worry was DEMS cutting each other to pieces at this crucial point in history, NOT bashing Hillary. Believe what you want, but for those that attacked ME, do not doubt my honesty, thanks.

I'll be more careful next time, maybe get a screen shot of the ticker. But I DID see that she was demanding an APOLOGY from Kerry, which amazed me, and worried me.

[symbolman]

35. Here's a link

"Wow. Senator Hillary Clinton must have joined the "Republican Hate Machine" or the "right wing nut-jobs", because now SHE is calling John Kerry's remarks inappropriate. She must have taken his comments the way, oh, basically the rest of the world has. From Record Online:

Sen. Hillary Clinton, speaking at a Kingston campaign stop this morning, joined the chorus of Democrats criticizing Sen. John Kerry for what the former presidential candidate has called a joke gone awry.

“What Sen. Kerry said was inappropriate,” she said."

Okay, it looks like she said that what Kerry said was INAPPROPRIATE.. now that's close enough to throwing him under a bus for me... I haven't found her demanding an Apology, but what's the dif? Same effect.

Link HERE: http://the-american-pundit.blogspot.com

[Swamp Rat]

36. Fool me once...

[symbolman]

38. I just LOVE your work, gets better all the time

where do you get the PICS with the bizarre faces in the first place?

I can see where you could get Bush and Laura, like when she was with the Price of England and had those SPEEDY Eyes going, like the Xanax had goosed her, but some of these others must require a lot of research..

Keep it up, always a great source of amusement for all of us :)

[Swamp Rat]

40. Thanks... here's one I just finished:

:D

The bizarre photos I find after hours, days, and months of searching.


All hail the Great Demon Lizard!



Praise Almighty Rumsferatu!

[American Jesus]

39. Several DLC'ers joined the "pile on" against Kerry

Hillary was one of them. Typical of DLC behavior, just as they have previously done to Howard Dean, John Murtha, and several others.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

44. No, I don't think so

To my way of thinking, the problem is that there is no organized, unified Democratic response to any issue the way there is from the GOP. Someone, maybe Howard Dean, should release talking points to every Dem politician every time something like this happens. Something like, "John Kerry simply botched a joke. But it's no joke that more than 100 of our troops have died in this month alone, killed in a war that Americans know wasn't worth our getting into in the first place."

I truly don't understand why our party doesn't do this. Can't we learn anything from the Republicans? They really took Reagan's words to heart: Never speak ill of another Republican. The Democrats had a pretty good lead time to do damage control on this flap. They could have text-messaged responses to everyone in short order. Don't they have any PR people working for them? Are we really so poorly organized?

We have the best ideas but we do the worst job of marketing them. Which is just as bad as having no ideas at all. The outcome is the same.

[Cha]

46. You know what I would like?

I would like hillary's snooty little request for an "apology" from John Kerry to come back and Bite her in her fence straddling dlc ass.

Edit~ To say..if this is true. I'm guessing we still don't have the proof. Sorry, for believing this so readily if not.

We know harold ford did..but was cnn lying when they scrolled those words for hillary?

[kentuck]

47. She killed two birds with one stone...

the birds: Hillary and Kerry

[wisteria]

53. Kerry is alive and kicking. retreating to come out and fight another day. n/t

[Rosemary2205]

49. Ya'll did see the clip of this on Olbermann Weds night?

I'm assuming whether or not she said this isn't an issue anymore.

And Kerry was forced to apologize. Which he should have done right out of the gate. IMHO, just to diffuse the situation and move on to trashing Bushco again. Just MHO.

[FreeStateDemocrat]

50. She should have kept her mouth shut, Democrats who bash Democrats are looking for

a political advantage and she doesn't need it in her senate race so it's all about Hillary and 2008 a week before a critical election. I am bashing Hillary and will until she is no longer a divisive factor in the Democratic Party. "Let's go to war Hillary" cannot win in 2008 and part of the reason is she is too much of a puke-lite appeaser.

[L A Woman]

51. Give me a break - Hillary is bashed on DU for one reason and one reason only

she's a WOMAN.

She's hardly the only Democrat to call for his apology. It doesn't matter what he MEANT. Nobody gives a fuck what he MEANT. It's what he SAID and what people HEARD that matters. Sadly, he probably waited too long to apologize. Middle America has now had enough time to remember why they didn't vote blue in 2004.

John Kerry voted FOR this stupid war, too, yet no one ever bashes HIM. He's a fucking idiot who has done nothing but drag down the Democratic Party. I can't fucking stand to look at his giant head or listen to his boring, monotone voice or his completely disconnected mindset.

But go ahead - bash Hillary. It's all HER fault. :eyes:

[sandnsea]

59. I'm a WOMAN

And that's the studiest thing I've heard since someone said yesterday that Ford was being bashed at DU because he's black.

If that's what you guys are planning on running on, you better think again.

And Hillary didn't just vote for the war, she was one of the chief cheerleaders. If it hadn't been for her supposed political 'acumen', we'd have fought that vote in 2002. But oh no, she had to have a 'tough' party to run with whenever she decided to run. She hasn't done a thing to fight Bush on this war since 2004. She puts her own presidential ambitions ahead of troops dying in Iraq. Just like she just put her own presidential ambitions over winning this year. She was willing to create a huge story about John Kerry instead of just knocking Bush and the Republicans out of the water, which the entire Democratic Party could have done in 5 seconds flat.

FUCK Hillary Clinton. She's NEVER going to be our candidate, not in a million years.

[wisteria]

52. She reinforced the Repub talking points and lies. IF WE LOSE SEATS IT IS HER FAULT

She actually made a bad move. There was no reason,other than pettiness and self-serving reasons for her not to come out and defend Kerry. Instead, she did the equivalent of confirming the smears against Kerry.
I have lost all respect for this woman and will never, ever vote for her in 08.

[OzarkDem]

55. Hiding this thread

[Cha]

57. So it is true..

"Newsweek' s R. Wolfe: "Hillary put the knife into Kerry's back"
It is hard to imagine something more harmfull to the Democrats than
a Leader of the party bolstering the Republicans phony
"Kerry was attacking the troops" campaign.

But that is exactly what Hillary Clinton did today.
Every Network played a clip of Hillary slamming Kerry's words (
which were really about Bush) as "completely inappropriate!"

It was cold, harsh and dismissive. Richard Wolfe on MSNBC
referred to it as a "knife in the back."

Hillary is a brilliant woman, lawyer, senator. I believed she had both
principle and brains.

She is certainly savvy enough to know what Rove was doing and should
have been knocking it down and showing how they were abusing the "troops"
in their political ploy."


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2921617

[symbolman]

58. Thanks for posting this

I don't make remarks of this magnitude unless I've seen something that scares the shit out of me, and is INAPPROPRIATE, which is what Hillary DID.. like the poster mentioned above, two birds with one stone, and at a time when the Dems NEED to BE IN LOCKSTEP..

I know how this works, if the Dems would listen to me dammit.. I offered Kerry my ARMY OF ONE ad for FREE, already vetted and showing on TV on the East Coast, and it would have cut the legs out from under the SwiftBoaters. No one listens to what they don't want to hear.

Jesus, when you've got someone on the ropes you don't back off and ask the other guy's coach what you should do NOW.. :)

This WAS a knife in the back for someone who has the potential to run for Prez, no doubt. I wish she'd practice a little TEAM work.

[Cha]

60. This will come back to haunt her.

Nice try hillary..no cigar for you. :smoke:

[symbolman]

62. LOL!!!!

Hilarious!! Love it, love it :)

[bobbolink]

61. You're surprised? It's DLC SOP.

Certainly hope this wakes up a few people.

Wouldn't it be so much fun to have *THAT* in the Oval Office???

:puke:

[AntiFascist]

63. There may be a deeper purpose...

Kerry is the only politician I know of who has had the where-with-all to investigate the BCCI scandal which relates to Iran-Contra, as well as possible ties to more recent al-Qaida terrorist funding. The Clintons and the Bushes may be tied together in this simmering scandal, and it is in their mutual best interest to destroy Kerry as soon as possible. IMHO.

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