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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:16 PM
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Why is Kerry's reaction time slightly less than a dead man?
slow to apologize for a botched *joke*
slow to respond to being swift boated
slow to respond to ohio vote count irregularities

in fact, he's slow to do anything except say something asinine or give some noncommittal answer to a direct question. just go home and shut the fuck up mr kerry.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:18 PM
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1. amen
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:18 PM
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2. Because he's Skull and Bones and Republican Lite blah blah blah blah.
You, sir, are so much smarter than Kerry. You should run for President!
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:19 PM
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3. LOL! n/t
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:21 PM
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Cuz you know that nosmokes has probably done a lot more with his life.
I would even bet that Kerry at one time smoked.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:23 PM
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13. attack the message and not the messenger
Kerry didn't do squat about the Swiftboaters; didn't do squat about Ohio

he stepped his foot in it this time

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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:25 PM
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17. Hard to do when it's 100% opinion.
Every stupid message calls into question the credibility of the messenger.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:28 PM
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22. if it's so hard then don't respond
and it's not opinion

how long did Kerry take to apologize for his comments; how long did he take to respond to the Swiftboat Vets; how long did he take to even address the Ohio voting problems

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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:30 PM
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23. "Slightly less than a dead man" is not opinion? n/t
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:34 PM
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26. it's called hyperbole
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:38 PM
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28. this isn't hyperbole - Kerry would be one DC Dem who'd take a bullet for you
if it was heading your way.

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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 07:34 PM
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35. Kerry - Mission Accomplished
Kerry did what he wanted to do, shift the dialog away from * and Iraq. The news cycle will now be dominated (all the way up to the election) by straw man Kerry and his "Gaff". This will take the heat off Foley, Smirk and Hastert. Kerry will then fade back into the woodwork while doing his "Rope-A-Dope" dance. Could this be Rove's October Surprise?
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 09:02 PM
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36. I'm confused
are you saying that Kerry and Rove were in on this together?

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PrimeRibGuy Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:19 PM
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4. Handlers
The only reason would be that his handlers have to figure out the right thing to say. I would say they are not doing a very good job so far.

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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:31 PM
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24. thanks for playing today
n/t
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:19 PM
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5. Then go vote for a fucking republican...n/t
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DU9598 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:21 PM
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8. I remember when DU used to be a resource
I would come here to learn breaking news or issues or talk with fellow progressives. Now I get several posts about nothingness. I miss the old DU.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:20 PM
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6. I demand that Kerry apologize for not apologizing sooner.
In fact, I'm very concerned.
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PrimeRibGuy Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:21 PM
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7. now that is funny
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:22 PM
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11. I demand he apologize in ADVANCE for anything else the media might lie about.
!!!!
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:24 PM
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14. I'm very concerned about Kerry's lack of apology.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:21 PM
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9. and yet he's probably the only man in DC who'd step in front of a bullet for YOU
Just you and anybody else who was being shot at or needed defending.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:25 PM
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16. I'd step in front of a bullet for HIM
But he's a lot taller than I am... so it wouldn't do much good unless they were aiming low.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:27 PM
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19. LOL
Same here... wouldn't do much good... maybe I could jump?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:21 PM
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10. He was left twisting in the wind by many other Democrats.
He was very quick in his intital response- the other DEMS were slow in backing him up, but very quick in joining Fox news & Rush Limbaugh in demanding an apology.

If the rest of the DEM "leadership" had been quick in attacking the media for LYING instead of rushing to agree with their lies, we would have seen a different debate.
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:24 PM
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15. That is so true...shoulder to shoulder we could have stayed the repuke
megaphone..but Noooo...there are those here and in the 'leadership' who fold at every single accusation..and yet will not go to the wire to DEMAND the same from the opposition.....sometimes I wonder whose side some are really on?
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:26 PM
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18. It's Kerry's fault that the rest of the party are spineless pieces of shit
Edited on Wed Nov-01-06 06:26 PM by WildEyedLiberal
:eyes:

With a few notable exceptions (Dean, Murtha, Cleland, Sherrod Brown & a few others) this party fucking SHAMED me today. If we didn't need to win back Congress so bad to STOP the out of control Repukes I'd say they deserved to lose.

Fuck the cowardly lot of them.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 07:08 PM
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34. Reminds me of what happened with Durbin.
When Daly demanded an apology, a big politician in the man's own state, he had no choice.

I too think that if the party had backed him up, he'd have never apologized. Even so, all he really had to apologize for was fucking up a Bush joke. Ooh, ahh.

And I'm sure he REALLY didn't want to be a distraction for other Dems.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:23 PM
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12. Hide this thread
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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:27 PM
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20. I have often wondered about that myself.....
Only thing I've been able to come up with, is that he has a very limited capacity to be spontaneous, which results in a flat sense of humor, which results in "botched" jokes.

Just my own formulated opinion after a few years of following him on the political scene.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:28 PM
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21. As opposed to a used car-salesman, game show host, or con man.
Edited on Wed Nov-01-06 06:28 PM by Dr Fate
n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:31 PM
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25. And yet he was sharper than 99 other senators and media when he uncovered
IranContra, BCCI, and CIA drugrunning and wrote a book in 1997 about the GROWING THREAT OF GLOBAL TERRORISM.

So YOUR applause is for those who can QUIP, while OTHERS do the REAL work to preserve democracy in this country.

Your applause is for those who gained control of the media in the 80s and 90s just so voices like Kerry's would be FILTERED before it gets to you.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:34 PM
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27. Maybe because you weren't paying attention. . .did you miss his kickass
press conference yesterday???????

http://www.johnkerry.com/news/releases/release.html?id=34

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October 31, 2006

Kerry: “If anyone owes our troops in the fields an apology, it is the President”

Transcript of John Kerry Responding to Attacks on his Remarks

Today in a press conference in Seattle, Washington, John Kerry responded to Republican attacks and partisan efforts to distort his botched George Bush joke.

Below is a transcript of Kerry’s remarks, as delivered:

SENATOR KERRY: Let me make it crystal clear, as crystal clear as I know how: I apologize to no one for my criticism of the president and of his broken policy.

If anyone owes our troops in the fields an apology, it is the President and his failed team and a Republican majority in the Congress that has been willing to stamp -- rubber-stamp policies that have done injury to our troops and to their families.

My statement yesterday -- and the White House knows this full well -- was a botched joke about the president and the president's people, not about the troops.

The White House's attempt to distort my true statement is a remarkable testament to their abject failure in making America safe. It's a stunning statement about their willingness to reduce anything in America to raw politics. It's their willingness to distort, their willingness to mislead Americans, their willingness to exploit the troops, as they have so many times at backdrops, at so many speeches at which they have not told the American people the truth.

I'm not going to stand for it.

What our troops deserve is a winning strategy. And what they deserve is leadership that is up to the sacrifice that they're making.

Sadly, this is the best that this administration can do in a month when we have lost 100 young men and women who have given their lives for a failed policy.

Over half the names on the Vietnam wall were put there after our leaders knew that our policy was wrong. And it was wrong that leaders were quiet then, and I'm not going to be quiet now.

This is a textbook Republican campaign strategy: Try to change the topic; try to make someone else the issue; try to make something else said the issue, not the policy, not their responsibility.

Well, everybody knows it's not working this time, and I'm not going to stand around and let it work. If anyone thinks that a veteran, someone like me, who's been fighting my entire career to provide for veterans, to fight for their benefits, to help honor what their service is, if anybody thinks that a veteran would somehow criticize more than 140,000 troops serving in Iraq and not the president and his people who put them there, they're crazy.

It's just wrong. This is a classic GOP textbook Republican campaign tactic.

I'm sick and tired of a bunch of despicable Republicans who will not debate real policy, who won't take responsibility for their own mistakes, standing up and trying to make other people the butt of those mistakes.

I'm sick and tired of a whole bunch of Republican attacks, most of which come from people who never wore the uniform and never had the courage to stand up and go to war themselves.

Enough is enough. We're not going to stand for this. This policy is broken. And this president and his administration didn't do their homework. They didn't study what would happen in Iraq. They didn't study and listen to the people who were the experts and would have told them.

And they know that's what I was talking about yesterday. I'm not going to be lectured by a White House or by the likes of Rush Limbaugh who's taking a day off from mimicking and attacking Michael J. Fox, who's now going to try to attack me and lie about me and distort me.

No way. It disgusts me that a bunch of these Republican hacks who've never worn the uniform of our country are willing to lie about those who did.

It's over.

This administration has given us a Katrina foreign policy: mistake upon mistake upon mistake; unwilling to give our troops the armor that they need; unwilling to have enough troops in place; unwilling to give them the Humvees that they deserve to protect them; unwilling to have a coalition that is adequate to be able to defend our interests.

Our own intelligence agency has told us they're creating more terrorists, not less. They're making us less safe, not more.

I think Americans are sick and tired of this game. These Republicans are afraid to stand up and debate a real veteran on this topic. And they're afraid to debate -- you know, they want to debate straw men because they're afraid to debate real men.

Well, we're going to have a real debate in this country about this policy. The bottom line is: These Republicans want to distort this policy. And, this time, it won't work because we are going to stay in their face with the truth.

And no Democrat is going to be bullied by these people, by these kinds of attacks that have no place in American politics. It's time to set our policy correct.

They have a stand-still-and-lose policy in Iraq and they have a cut-and-run policy in Afghanistan. And the fact is, our troops, who have served heroically, who deserve better, deserve leadership that is up to their sacrifice, period.

QUESTION: Senator, John McCain said that you owe an apology to the many thousands of Americans serving in Iraq, who answered this country's call because they are patriots.

To those people who didn't get your joke, who may have misinterpreted you as saying the undereducated are cannon fodder, what do you say?

KERRY: I never said that, and John McCain knows I've never said that and John McCain knows I wouldn't say that.

And John McCain ought to ask for an apology from Donald Rumsfeld for making the mistakes he's made. John McCain ought to ask for an apology from this administration for not sending in enough troops.

He ought to ask for an apology for putting our troops on the line with a policy that doesn't have an adequate coalition, that doesn't have adequate diplomacy, where we don't have a strategy to win.

And what we need is to debate the real issues, not these phony, sideline issues that are part of the politics. Americans are tired -- sick and tired of this kind of politics.

They know my true feelings. They know I fought to provide additional money for veterans. They know I fought to provide money for combat for veterans. They know I've fought to put money for V.A. They know I've honored those veterans.

They know that this is the finest military -- and I've said it 100,000 times -- that we've ever had. They know precisely what I was saying.

And they're trying to turn this because they have a bankrupt policy and they can't defend it to the nation and they can't defend it to the world.

KERRY: And I'm not going to stand for this anymore; period. That's the apology that people ought to get.

QUESTION: Do you need to go to joke school?

KERRY: Sure.

QUESTION: Senator, do you regret saying the remark? And what were you trying to say?

KERRY: Very simple: that those who didn't study it properly, those who made the decisions, they got us into Iraq. Very simple.

The fact is they know that. The administration knows that. And they're simply trying to distort this. They're trying to play a game.

And, again, I'm not going to stand for it. This is the kind of thing that makes Americans sick. People know -- I mean, there ought to be some level of honor and trust in this process.

I have fought a lifetime on behalf of veterans. We have the finest young men and women serving us in the United States military that we've ever had, and I'm proud of that.

But this administration has let them down, and that was clearly a remark directed at this administration. They understand it. They want to distort it. It's a classic Republican playbook. They want to change the topic.

We're not going to let them change the topic. The topic is their failed policy in Iraq. The topic is that they don't have a strategy, they don't have a way to be able to win.

You got Dick Cheney saying everything's just terrific in Iraq only a week ago. John McCain ought to ask for an apology from Dick Cheney for misleading America. He ought to ask for an apology from the president for lying about the nuclear program in Africa. He ought to ask for an apology for once again a week ago referring to Al Qaida as being the central problem in Iraq, when Al Qaida is not the central problem.

Enough is enough. I'm not going to stand for these people trying to shift the topic and make it politics. America deserves a real discussion about real policy. And that's what this election is going to be about next Tuesday.

One more question, then I got to run.

QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE)

KERRY: Let me tell you something: I'm not going to give them one ounce of daylight to spread one of their lies and to play this game ever, ever again. That is a lesson I learned deep and hard.

And I'll tell you: I will stand up anywhere across this country and take these guys on. This is dishonoring not just the troops themselves by pointing the finger at the troops, it's abusing the troops. They're using the troops. They're trying to make the troops into the target here. I didn't do that, and they know that.

KERRY: And for them to suggest that somebody who served their country, as I did, and has a record like I have in the United States Congress of standing up and fighting for the troops would ever, ever insult the troops is an insult in and of itself.

And they owe us an apology for even daring to use the White House to stand up and make this an issue again. Shame on them. Shame on them.

And may the American people take that shame to the polls with them next Tuesday.

Thank you all.

QUESTION: What do you say to the men and women fighting in Iraq if they hear this in passing, that may be confused on the issue, sir?

KERRY: They will hear what I just said. I honor their service, and I always have.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:41 PM
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29. Look on the bright side.
In 2007, he'll be ready to kick some ass over this! :P
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 06:45 PM
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30. That is exactly what cost us the last election
Oh, we do not have to respond to that
oh, we are above that
oh, we cannot stoop to their level
oh, we will ignore it and it will go away
oh, we must be politically correct
oh, we must be to arrogant to win any elections
oh, we must squander all the money and help given to us
oh, we must let everyone down by sticking our heads in the sand
oh, we will run for president again

I have been a big fan of Senator Kerry ever since the October Suprise hearings when he was a junior senator. I feel betrayed by his responseless strategy.


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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 07:02 PM
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31. he isn't even the issue now
This election is more important than that.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 07:02 PM
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32. HIT AND RUN! HIT AND RUN! LET IT SINK! LET IT SINK! n/t
Edited on Wed Nov-01-06 07:03 PM by LoZoccolo
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 07:05 PM
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33. I liked his hastily assembled press conference yesterday.
That was pretty speedy.

And he was slow to apologize because he really had nothing to apologize for except for fucking up a Bush joke.

Let's beat him up, though. It's fun.

I bet, like Durbin, it was the insistence of fellow Dems that made him do it.
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