Who here really believes Hillary's THE ONE???

[RiverStone]

In previous threads on this subject, my read was the vast majority of DU readers indicated they did NOT "presume" that Hillary Clinton was the Dem nominee for 08. I share that belief and in fact, really hope we have a diverse, vigorous and healthy debate from a variety of talented folks on the road to the 08 Democratic Convention. Its very encouraging that Obama's stock is rising, and how exciting would it be to also be to have the likes of Clark, Feingold, or Gore jump into the frey (et.al).

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/01/poll.2008/index.html

Though in most polls, the MSM consistently gives Hillary the nod. Here is a recent example:

http://www.pollingreport.com/WH08dem.htm

That leaves me with a question: Who are these Dems that consistently "presume" Hillary's the one??? :freak: Cause I'm not seeing that assumption here on DU. In fact most here say, DON"T ASSUME ANYTHING! We will vote for the 08 nominee over any rethug anyway, and I'm not against Hillary in particular. I am however, mystified at all the people (if you believe polls) that are making assumptions about our parties choice for the next Pres. What gives?

[JohnnyLib2]

1. Get back to you next week.

Enough said.

[politicasista]

2. I don't care right now

The field won't be known until 2007. We have to get through Tuesday first.

[Ellis Wyatt]

3. I just don't see her getting elected

Winning the nomination and winning the election are very different.

The right has a very severe distaste for her, which will get out the vote significantly.

[onehandle]

4. One election at a time. nt

[bpeale]

5. I will never vote for her

[Norquist Nemesis]

6. Until she formally announces, I'm not convinced she's running

The media's been pushing this one since before 2000 speculating that her run and subsequent win in NY as a Senator.

It just seems to me that if Hillary is all that 'politically power hungry' as she's made out to be, then why would she go for President? She has pretty much of a sure thing going for her to continue as a politician (not to mention that the terms are 6 years vs. four). So, why would she take a risk and go for President to end her political career in four years at minimum and eight years at maximum? :shrug:

Now imagine another scenario...Nancy Pelosi as Speaker and Hillary Clinton as Marjority Leader. If you want to see Cons shriek and freak, try that one on them! :rofl:

As to those Dems in the polls, I think a big part of it is the "buzz" from the media in their never-ending will she? won't she? is she? analyses. It begins to sink in, if nothing else, on a subliminal level. JMHO.

[RiverStone]

14. Yep. Must be the "buzz". Well said.

[Yupster]

33. She may not run

but if she does, I think she wins.

[comradebillyboy]

7. the ugly fact that most du ers want to ignore is

Hillary is very liked by most democrats. The polls demonstrate this. Her overwhelming popularity in new york, especially conservative, upstate demonstrates this popularity. She is one tough mother and it would be a mistake to under estimate her.

[jackbourassa]

16. Hillary won't win shit!

Hillary fans get used to that.

Hillary gets the support of about 30% of the party - right now. But there are about 35% who DEFINITELY DON'T WANT HER, according to similar polls.

Lieberman led the Democratic field at this point in the 2004 election cycle. Don't forget that. He led among the same type of people: African Americans and uninformed Democrats. Dean was at 2% in the polls with a margin-of-error of 3%.

It was people here on DU who hated Lieberman and didn't want him. He lost all the hypothetical match ups here.

...then he came in fifth in New Hampshire and Dean second.

Don't be counting your chickens Hillary supporters.

Early front runners in the Democratic primaries have a funny way of losing.

[ronnykmarshall]

38. ooooooooo I'm so sccaaaaarrrredd!

[NoPasaran]

8. I look forward to Hillary crushing the right wing with an iron boot

[wisteria]

9. She thinks she is. LOL. n/t

[juajen]

10. Me.

N/T

[Lex]

11. Remember when they said Joe Lieberman was the Dem choice for 04?

I do remember when he was being touted as the front-runner by the media, blah blah blah.

Sorry, but I don't think Hillary will make it out of the primaries as the Democratic candidate for Pres. in 08.

[juajen]

12. Do not compare Hillary to Holy Joe, please.

N/T

[Lex]

13. Give me a break. Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing.

nt

[Crankie Avalon]

15. I'll say this for her...

...I don't think she'd ever make the kind of gaffe you-know-who-did.

She doesn't seem to make mistakes like that. Nothing the media could twist and blow out of proportion. No Dean Screams for her.

Whether or not she's really principled or just opportunistic is another discusiion, but she's definitely cagey and I think mainstream Americans like her a lot more than the Rush Limbaughs of the world let on.

[librechik]

17. I'd rather vote for Keanu Reeves

[alfredo]

18. Hillary is the one.

not sure what the "one" is, but she is it.

I have no doubt that she would be a fine president, but can she win? It's still too early to tell. I'm not going to give it much thought until after the election. Anyway, I will be busy working to elect a Democratic Governor here in 2007. Give Ernie Fletcher the boot!!!!

[In Appreciation of]

19. Hillary is the one!

[bryant69]

20. She's a name

Insofar as the media is going to write on this story - they need someone like her to hang stories on - and she's the most visible, and she's clearly running. Once we get closer and more candidates emerge she will have more of a struggle.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[oasis]

21. In the real world Hillary's the one. In "DU world" Dennis Kuchinich is the one. (eom)

[fhqwhgads]

30. but neither of them can win...

...even if the liberal wing of the democratic party (i.e. DU-types) collectively held their noses and voted for hillary she'd still lose, since the right would immediately mobilize, and hillary would have no chance of getting a majority of the unaligned vote.

candidates like kucinich get us DUers excited, but can't raise enough money to mount a serious primary challenge.

in theory, sen. clinton would probably make a good president, as she's got the mind and demeanor for the job. but the other guys hate her so much, that even if she did win, they'd obstruct her every move. there's little chance she would enjoy a majority in both houses of congress as president, so she'd be getting stonewalled somewhere. i think she'd have a tough time getting her agenda pushed through.

[oasis]

34. I disagree. Americans will demand a resurgence in bi-partisanship. The

Rushbot "dittoheads" will have less and less influence on a society that is determined to repair our damaged nation.

[StraightDope]

22. I won't vote for her.

And I'd guess that a lot of Dems wouldn't either. If she's the '08 nominee, I'll be stayng home in November.

[L A Woman]

31. did you vote for that IDIOT, John Kerry, in '04?

or did you stay home then too?

[StraightDope]

37. I voted for Michael Badnarik.

Bush and Kerry are both establishment politicos, in it for the long haul. They know a hell of a lot more about campaigning than governance, which is exactly the type of "leader" that America doesn't need. Hilary is largely cut from the same proverbial cloth. That's why I WILL NOT vote for her. General Clark on the other hand... Even Dr. Dean, for that matter...

[nansocal]

23. I don't

want her to run. I hope gore changes his mind.

[OzarkDem]

24. Hiding this thread

[quinnox]

25. I think she is great

It would be great to see her as president. Something about her, it is hard to explain.

[Red Right and BLUE]

26. Not I. nt

[Finder]

27. I support her...

not sure if she is the "one" but as of today she is on top.IMO

[Crankie Avalon]

28. WHOA...THAT campaign slogan's already been done...

Not that I'm making a comparison...just saying to stay away from "THE ONE." :D

[Coexist]

29. not me.

no vote for her
no cash for her

she is so damn wishy-washy the republican machine will embarass the hell out of us if she's our candidtate.

[AngryAmish]

32. Like Buffy?

[L A Woman]

35. It's Hillary's gender that DUers seem to hate

All I've heard for years is how "desperately" Hillary wants to be president, yet she has simply run for the Senate and served as a Senator. When does she ever talk about running for president? Never.

And yet Barack Obama comes out after ONE term and says he's interested in running in '08 and suddenly everyone is excited.

I have yet to hear a reasonable excuse for the hatred of Hillary Clinton on DU. "She voted for the war." So did John "the Bumbling Idiot" Kerry. "She failed at creating a national health care system." She was the only fucking person in Washington DC who gave a flying fuck about it! That's why the idea has failed!

Is the Democratic Underground ever going to find the courage to address the deep-rooted misogyny on this board?

[RiverStone]

39. Ummmm. Hatred? Misogyny?

Granted LA Woman, I'm relatively new to the board; though I've seen no evidence of hatred or misogyny towards Hillary or women in general. In fact, as I pointed out in the original post - I have nothing against Hillary. Our Democratic nominee will be chosen because we the people believe he/she is best for our party and our country, regardless of gender or color. Making color and gender blind nominations is what defines us Democrats (in todays world). Simply I advocate for a process that ASSUMES NOBODY should be the pres nominee this early; and Hillary has been getting the lion's share of that presumption for a long time.

We are after all, on the same side eh?

[ecstatic]

36. On DU, Hillary shunned in favor of 2 proven losers

:shrug:

I hate to sound harsh but Kerry and Gore already lost once. But since then, what has been done to ensure that our votes will count? Do you think people want to be reminded AGAIN of the way their votes were tossed aside back in '00 and '04?

[politicasista]

40. Gore and Kerry are NOT losers

Hillary opened her mouth and fell for the spin period. At least Kerry defended himself. Why aren't you blaming those Dems that didn't back him up?


Do you have a PERFECT candidate that can beat the Rove propaganda media machine? Sheez.