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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:44 PM
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New Life Church's Pastor Ted Steps Down Amid Gay Affair! He Calls bush EVERY WEEK!!
Edited on Thu Nov-02-06 06:13 PM by leftchick
:wow:



http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4588998

Haggard stepping down amid gay affair inquiry
By The Denver Post
Article Last Updated:11/02/2006 03:25:29 PM MST


The leader of one of Colorado's most popular mega-churches, Ted Haggard, is temporarily stepping down from his leadership role, after allegations from a male prostitute that Haggard solicited gay sex.

Haggard, the founder and senior leader of the 14,000-member New Life Church in Colorado Springs and president of the multimillion- member National Association of Evangelicals, denied the accusations raised by the prostitute on Wednesday.

Today, a press conference by church leaders to support Haggard was cancelled shortly before it was scheduled to take place.

In stepping down, it was emphasized that Haggard did not admit any wrongdoing, but that he felt his effectiveness would be hampered by the cloud of inquiry.

Male escort Mike Jones of Denver told 9News he'd had a three-year sexual business relationship with Haggard.

>>>>>>>>> Video report here... http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/02/haggard-evangelical-prostitute


REPORT: Major Right-Wing Evangelical Leader Accused Of 3-Year Relationship With Male Prostitute
A male prostitute alleges that he had a three-year relationship with prominent right-wing evangelical leader Ted Haggard, who has said that homosexuality is a “sin” and “devastating for the children of our nation and for the future of Western civilization.” Haggard denies the allegation.

Haggard is president of the National Association of Evangelicals, representing more than 30 million conservative Christians. Time Magazine ranked him as one of the 25 most influential evangelicals and Harper’s contributing editor Jeff Sharlet noted, “No pastor in America holds more sway over the political direction of evangelicalism than does Pastor Ted.” Watch the report from Denver 9News:


http://www.harpers.org/SoldiersOfChrist.html

“Church” is insufficient to describe the complex. There is a permanent structure called the Tent, which regularly fills with hundreds or thousands of teens and twentysomethings for New Life's various youth gatherings. Next to the Tent stands the old sanctuary, a gray box capable of seating 1,500; this juts out into the new sanctuary, capacity 7,500, already too small. At the complex's western edge is the World Prayer Center, which looks like a great iron wedge driven into the plains. The true architectural wonder of New Life, however, is the pyramid of authority into which it orders its 11,000 members. At the base are 1,300 cell groups, whose leaders answer to section leaders, who answer to zone, who answer to district, who answer to Pastor Ted Haggard, New Life's founder.

Pastor Ted, who talks to President George W. Bush or his advisers every Monday, is a handsome forty-eight-year-old Indianan, most comfortable in denim. He likes to say that his only disagreement with the President is automotive; Bush drives a Ford pickup, whereas Pastor Ted loves his Chevy. In addition to New Life, Pastor Ted presides over the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE), whose 45,000 churches and 30 million believers make up the nation's most powerful religious lobbying group, and also over a smaller network of his own creation, the Association of Life-Giving Churches, 300 or so congregations modeled on New Life's “free market” approach to the divine.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:45 PM
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1. You just can't make this stuff up! nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:39 PM
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86. No ya can't.
More than anything I would like those faux christians like bush and allegedly ted haggard to be exposed for the hypocrites god made 'em.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:46 PM
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:47 PM
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5. I agree
:)
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:57 PM
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15. I also think Bush is gay.........
you never hear from any women about being with Bush during his drunken bachelor days, or his drunken married days.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:04 PM
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52. Nor do you hear from any men.
What's your point?
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:07 PM
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27. So utterly offensive
I wonder if you even have a clue?

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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:10 PM
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30. Just because he's offensive he must be gay?
The implications of that are astounding?

Please, why would you take so much pleasure in making him one of us? What is it about him that you identify as Gay?
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:11 PM
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32. Ignorant? Check. Offensive? Check.
Wow. I can't believe I just read that on DU. How insulting. I can give an informed opinion on the matter, gay like to stick with gay and not-a-bigot straight.
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moc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:31 PM
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39. I've thought this for a long time too.
I think Rove is gay as well.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:34 PM
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40. Why? What real evidence do you have that either is gay?
Seriously.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:53 PM
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44. Does this help?
:D


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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:55 PM
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45. Nah, I'm still offended, but now I have a scary picture in my brain, too.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:00 PM
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49. Well, I tend not to get offended.
Instead, I like to turn it around and offend right wingers by attacking their hypocrisy.


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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:27 PM
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64. Trust me, it wasn't a rightwinger that did the offending.
:eyes:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:41 PM
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75. Are you referring to cat_girl25?
Let me tell you, I've known her for a long time. She is a staunch supporter of gay rights.

I believe she is being misinterpreted and that post is being blown way out of proportion.

We could spend our time more wisely by outing rw hypocrisy... at least that is MY modus operandi.

All of my friends here in New Orleans think it's very funny and 'good medicine' for the rw hypocrites. Only on DU do I run across folks who get offended (folks with a political and social perspective similar to mine). Of course, conservatives I know get offended, but for other reasons. I don't give a shit if they are offended because they are constantly telling me how to live, shoving their 'morality' down my throat.



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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:44 PM
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77. Well, she can vouch for herself then.
Edited on Thu Nov-02-06 07:44 PM by haruka3_2000
Nice photoshop.
:sarcasm:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:24 PM
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100. Thank you
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #44
92. Swampy!
I'm actually surprised at you, for the first time ever. :(
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:27 PM
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101. Look, if people are going to pick on cat_girl25, I am not going to sit on my
proverbial hands.

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moc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #40
69. Honestly, it had something to do with the way Rove described his thoughts
Edited on Thu Nov-02-06 07:35 PM by moc
when he first met Bush. I think it was in the book "Bush's Brain". Sorry, I don't have a link; it's been over a year since I heard it. There was a very odd subtext in how he described that initial meeting, like he was attracted to Bush or something. Sorry, but it made me raise an eyebrow.

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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #39
42. And how do you judge who's gay?
Oh, I know...it's the ones with the lisp and limp wrist, right?
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #39
91. Oh, for fuck's sake! n/t
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:00 PM
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48. I would like to nominate you for "Stupid Post of the Day".
Edited on Thu Nov-02-06 07:01 PM by JackBeck
And that photoshopped picture of Rove is a very close second.

Unbelievable. No wonder my community still struggles for equality.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:24 PM
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59. I know! Don't we just have the most wonderful allies?
:eyes:
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:47 PM
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79. here we go again.
snicker.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:51 PM
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80. .
:D
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:25 PM
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60. Aww!
:cry:

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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:27 PM
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65. Would that make you feel better?
I can't take much more of this shit.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:44 PM
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78. All the evil people are gay!!!!!111
I'm not saying that all gay people are evil I'm just saying that all evil people are gay!
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:31 PM
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84. That seems to nail the sentiment exactly!
:grr:

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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 10:52 PM
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94. Hey, why the hell not?
I'm thinking all of us queers are idiots, eschewing the "evil" label with such vigor all this time. We may as well BE evil, since anything else gets us absolutely fuck-all.

If no one will respect us, I'd be happy if they were all scared of us.

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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:00 AM
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103. Well duh!
:sarcasm:


Could you imagine the cries of "Christian Persecution :cry:" if we went around saying "Ewww, he's evil--he must be a Christian!"
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 06:49 PM
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107. Or if we said, "That's so Christian!" every time someone
did something we thought was fucked up. Yep, that would bring out the persecution threads like nothing we've ever seen, until the post was deleted...and it WOULD be deleted in that case.
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Puglover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:56 PM
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81. What in the FLYING FUCK is that supposed to mean? n/t
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:10 PM
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83. I think I'm really glad I missed this post
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:47 PM
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3. His only disagreement?
Heh. Looks like the rumors about bush might be true.

BTW, if Ted is "handsome," someone needs to change the definition in the dictionary.
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gfnrob Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:47 PM
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4. Drives a Chevy?
It looks like he drives a "Jones":headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:50 PM
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6. I guess Pastor Ted must like the damage inflicted on this nation that
Gore Vidal estimates will take two generations to overcome. :grr:
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:52 PM
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7. Looks like Dick York n/t
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:54 PM
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14. I thought it was this guy at first
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:06 PM
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26.  !!!
:rofl:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:52 PM
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8. Are the calls he made to Bush for PHONESEX?
.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:53 PM
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10. LOL!
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:01 PM
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21. no doubt!
:rofl:
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:09 PM
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28. Tee Hee Hee - Yeah, that Bush is such a fag
Edited on Thu Nov-02-06 06:15 PM by LeftCoast
Real nice guys...

:nuke:
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:52 PM
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9. I am watching Hardball - Tony Perkins is on.
He is another crazy christian and every time I see him I think - GAY !
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:53 PM
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11. Fabulous!
:evilgrin: Is george gay?
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NOLADEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:54 PM
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12. Hate to generalize, but looking at the guy makes my Gaydar smoke and rattle around
The closest this guy has ever been to real bush has apparently been on the phone.

Thanks, I will be here all night.

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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:54 PM
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13. Anybody see Dawkins "interview" this morAn?
priceless
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:57 PM
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16. Just what I wanted!!
I was thinking nothing could be better right now than another right-wing gay scandal! Right-wing closet cases are wonderful things! As a gay man, I'm allowed to say these things, BTW...
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verse18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:58 PM
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17. He looks like Matt Dillon character
in There's Something About Mary with those big ass teeth.

He probably calls * every day to compare notes-"My male prostitute does_____________. Does yours?
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:03 PM
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24. LOL!
You guys are cracking me up here. "big ass teeth" "my male prostitute...." :)
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blue sky at night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:59 PM
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18. Wondering.........
do these guys all read the same instructions for their lives before heading out into the world?? How can so many of these hard core right wing nut jobs be so Hypocritical?? They must all find the idea of Gay Sex so appealing since being hammered from birth about how wrong it is. I could not care less about what they do in private, but when they judge and condemn others for the very thing they practice in private, that is the worst. I wonder if he can admit his mistakes and go back to work after coming down from that high horse?? I hope his congregation can handle this without lashing out, blaming all the liberal homos for their problems.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:59 PM
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19. Here we go, kids
>it was emphasized that Haggard did not admit any wrongdoing, but that he felt his effectiveness would be hampered by the cloud of inquiry.<

I don't buy it. This reminds me of an incident at one of Western Washington's "megachurches", Overlake Christian, and its former pastor, Rev. Bob Moorehead. Rev. Moorehead ended up stepping down from his leadership role after being arrested performing lewd acts on another man in the restroom of a rest area. Numerous other men came forward at that point with their own encounters with the pastor.

I might also mention that this was the final straw for my husband and I attending another church in Woodinville. Our pastor refused to acknowledge Rev. Moorehead's wrongdoing, despite being told in person by one of the investigating police officers that the incident happened. The officer was another long-time member of our former church. We left our church shortly afterwards.

http://www.skeptictank.org/yourpk.htm

http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/revscndl.htm

If you're interested in additional followup, the Seattle Times archives are also useful.

Julie





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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:03 PM
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25. Ewww!
damn! What is wrong with these people?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:13 PM
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34. Before he can say 'forgive me, Father' he'll be in rehab. Any bets? nt
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:35 PM
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41. I'm not taking that bet. We both know that's going to happen. n/t
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CurtEastPoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:48 PM
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43. Rev. Bob Morehead was bobbing for more head, huh? n/t
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:00 PM
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20. wonder if he knows Jeff Gannon???
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:01 PM
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22. Love it... just before election!!!
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:02 PM
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23. This is great news. The story will continue to snowball.

another Repuke scandal coming up folks. This one is a dooooosy. And the timing is delicious.

:dem:
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LiberalinNC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:09 PM
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29. What is it w/ these Hate gay bashers actually being closet gays?
Honestly, I'm not surprised that this guy could be gay...and yes I agree Bush maybe gay.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:59 PM
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47. Makes one wonder doesn't it.
The Jeff Gannon thing, overusage of the word 'fabulous', his fluttering fingers wave, his coy winks, rubbing bald heads. Oh man.
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Red Right and BLUE Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:11 PM
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31. Man, this is SO not surprising.
And that surprises me.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:13 PM
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33. WONDERFUL!! ANOTHER FUCKING PUKE HYPOCRITE!!!
:rofl:

destroy them all i say!
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:15 PM
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35. WHERE WAS GANNON???????11
:rofl:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:57 PM
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46. LOL!


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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:20 PM
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57. You're killing me with laughter
this evening

Butter? :popcorn::rofl:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:29 PM
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68. Now let me scare you with my latest:
All hail the Great Demon Lizard!



Praise Almighty Rumsferatu!


Yes, go read some posts up-thread and pass the popcorn. :popcorn: :D

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:34 PM
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72. swamp rodent!!!!
stop! you are killing me!!

:rofl:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:42 PM
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76. Way'at leftchick!
:hi:


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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:19 PM
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36. Probably just going into alcohol rehab...
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:21 PM
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37. I guess Jesus really wants the Dems to win this time....
Praise the Lord!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:29 PM
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38. As I've said several times
We'ev been seeing a complete inversion of reality.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:03 PM
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50. The last six years have felt like living in "Opposite Land"
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:03 PM
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51. Bush press release tomorrow: "Never knew this guy" LOL
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:18 PM
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56. Rove has already removed the autographed pic from
Chimp's desk, the one that reads, "Thanks for introducing me to Jeff. I owe you one."
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:04 PM
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53. Williams on NBC Calls Haggard Having: " Unprecedented access to the WH"
Edited on Thu Nov-02-06 07:04 PM by leftchick
no shit! He and Gannon! Where the hell was pickles??

:rofl:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:25 PM
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61. I'm
loving it :rofl:
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:09 PM
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54. Maybe Bush and Haggard need to define their relationship...
Just how close are they, really!
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:13 PM
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55. I love his "I'm not resigning because I
was leading a double life. Oh, no, not me. I'm just giving up my leadership position in this powerful organization because I'm under a cloud of suspicion." ROFLMAO When are we going to see the Jimmy Swaggert "I have sinned" teary-eyed confession? Too damn funny.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:22 PM
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58. Maybe this guy isn't gay.
There are married men that are Bi-Sexual. They might be more Hetero-Sexual with a Bi-Sexual side. After watching the Docudrama, "The Staircase", regarding Michael Peterson who was convicted of killing his wife I have learned that some men are Bi-Sexual but not Homo-Sexual.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:26 PM
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62. Wow, you didn't know there were bisexuals until you saw a docudrama about a bisexual murderer?
I didn't know people were this sheltered anymore.
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:01 PM
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97. Aw, come on, haruka...
You know Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Bisexuals But Were Afraid to Ask can be found in Basic Instinct!

( :sarcasm: tag for the benefit of the sarcasm-impaired )
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:22 PM
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99. I know. That's why I have the Director's Cut on DVD.
Well, that and the fact that Sharon Stone is HOTT!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:26 PM
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63. Tell that to his church folks
They care. These fuggers do not practice what they preach.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:28 PM
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66. On CNN now
discussion :rofl:
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:29 PM
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67. The Harpers article is fascinating in retrospect.
http://www.harpers.org/SoldiersOfChrist.html

He staked out gay bars, inviting men to come to his church; his whole congregation pitched itself into invisible battles with demonic forces, sometimes in front of public buildings.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:32 PM
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70. Yeah, I am from another planet.
I got a here a few weeks ago and am still learning a lot. O8)
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:36 PM
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74. Exactly!!!!!
more like checking the packages at the gay bars! :)
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:58 PM
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102. That is one unbelievable article about Ted & beliefs
How sad for Colorado Springs to have such spooks surrounding them. These people are scary, I had no idea they are so materialistic and conniving. It sounds like they took the worst of all the Christian religions and made their church teaching from them. Sounds like Ted has an out for his failings since they believe in having to work hard at warding off the evil around them. That's what he gets for starting out destroying the gays' hangouts and trying to convert them.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 05:54 AM
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105. that article scared the crap out of me
when I firt read it last winter. The second I saw Pator Ted on TV today I thought Holy Shit! That is bush's guy! :wow:

Also, the hold on the Air Force Academy this cult has is quite frightening. :scared:
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 12:18 PM
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106. Really leftchick! The feelings that article left with me is like
watching a bad movie or bad dream and it won't leave you.

Wondered how the Air Force Academy fit into this cult?

How can people who try to do good and conquer evil ignore the fact that our military is in Iraq dying and suffering Everyday and they never mention this issue - just moral issues - the troops lives are not moral issues?? Or the reason that we are there in the first place? Lies
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:33 PM
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71. Yeeeeessssss! Whoo hoo. Another one bites the dust.
Of course there's nothing wrong with being gay and I truly hope that the good reverend will in time learn to embrace his true self.

In the meantime hahhahahahahahah!
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MazeRat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:35 PM
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73. This is too rich... the truth will out... even if your a fundie asshat....
Edited on Thu Nov-02-06 07:38 PM by MazeRat7
The beauty is this is one more chink in the armour of the american taliban... they were fucked by the admin and I will bet money they are going to succeed and form their own party apart from the repugs....

I can't think of anything better for this country.

MZr7
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 08:37 PM
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82. Those Must've Been Phone Calls of LOVE!
:loveya:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:33 PM
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85. I need my sunglasses to look
at that guy's teeth. B-)
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:55 PM
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87. At the risk of being a broken record, a civility reminder. Thanks.
"The administrators of Democratic Underground are working to provide a place where progressives can share ideas and debate in an atmosphere of mutual respect. Despite our best efforts, some of our members often stray from this ideal and cheapen the quality of discourse for everyone else. Unfortunately, it is simply impossible to write a comprehensive set of rules forbidding every type of antisocial behavior. The fact that the rules do not forbid a certain type of post does not automatically make an uncivil post appropriate, nor does it imply that the administrators approve of disrespectful behavior. Every member of this community has a responsibility to participate in a respectful manner, and to help foster an atmosphere of thoughtful discussion. In this regard, we strongly advise that our members exercise a little common decency, rather than trying to parse the message board rules to figure out what type of antisocial behavior is not forbidden."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:01 PM
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95. Thank you.
:applause:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:57 PM
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 10:32 PM
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89. I have no idea cg!
at any rate I agree with your assessment. :)
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 10:44 PM
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90. What actual evidence or proof do you have that Bush is gay?
Edited on Thu Nov-02-06 10:47 PM by haruka3_2000
Simply using "gay" as a smear without any proof is offensive, because you're essentially saying that being gay is a bad thing. Also, "gay sticks with gay" is a gross generalization.

Really, reading the replies to your deleted message with an "open mind" should pretty much explain everything.

:eyes:

Edited to add: I actually didn't alert on your post, because I believe a person's bigotry should be on display.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:01 PM
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96. ...
"Simply using "gay" as a smear without any proof is offensive, because you're essentially saying that being gay is a bad thing."

Saying that I think someone is gay is not a smear, imo. I said it because I take several things in consideration....1)the guy called Bush every week 2)the Jeff Gannon white house visits and 3)Bush's fetish for rubbing bald heads. Of course these some of the reason why I think Bush may be gay. I did not say that because I think gay is a bad thing!

"Also, "gay sticks with gay" is a gross generalization."

Well I guess I should have worded that differently. What I meant was this Haggard guy spoke with Bush every week not necessarily because he was the pResident but because he may think Bush is gay and he picked up on that.

"Really, reading the replies to your deleted message with an "open mind" should pretty much explain everything."

I actually was reading all the replies to the deleted message and I didn't realize it was my post. I had to remember what I had said. Some of you were reading something in my post that was not there.

"I actually didn't alert on your post, because I believe a person's bigotry should be on display."

Sorry, but I am not a bigot.

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specimenfred1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 10:52 PM
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93. Love the SMEAR!
The dems know how to play politics again!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:06 PM
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98. No wonder Jeff Gannon was in the WH Press Corpse. 'The Fellowship.'
With a "Base" like this, who needs fiends?

We're into a Neverland the likes of which not even Michael Jackson dared dream.



TIME Names the 25 Most Influential EVANGELICALS in America

A lame-duck Bush may be less sensitive to the demands of his base,” writes TIME’s Karen Tumulty on the eve of Wednesday’s STATE OF THE UNION


Posted Sunday, Jan. 30, 2005

New York – Among the Christian leaders on TIME’s first list of “The 25 Most Influential Evangelicals in America” are Doug Coe, who started the annual National Prayer Breakfast scheduled for this Thursday in Washington, and two Evangelicals who join the White House’s weekly Monday call with Christian leaders, Richard Land and Ted Haggard.

Others include Michael Gerson, a Bush speechwriter; Pentecostals Bishop Thomas Dexter “T.D.” Jakes and preacher Joyce Meyers; Rev. Luis Cortés, Jr., Stuart Epperson of Salem Communications; and Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention.

ONLINE, go to http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101050207/photoessay/ A collection of past TIME articles about evangelicals is posted at http://www.time.com/time/archive/collections/0,21428,c_evangelicals,00.shtml

TIME’s cover language asks, “What Does Bush Owe Them? Do the Democrats Need More Religion?” (on newsstands Mon., Jan. 31). Increasingly anxious conservative Christians – who mobilized as never before to re-elect a president they see as one of their own—will hear the President spell out his priorities in Wednesday’s State of the Union address, reports TIME’s national political correspondent Karen Tumulty. And on Thursday morning, they’ll tell him their priorities at the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington.

SNIP...

-- Richard Land and Ted Haggard participate in a White House teleconference every Monday with a handful of Christian conservatives to plot strategy on gay marriage, abortion and other issues on the social agenda..

SNIP...

OPENING UP THE UMBRELLA GROUP: Ted Haggard, president of the National Association of Evangelicals As president of the National Association of Evangelicals, Haggard represents 30 million conservative Christians spread over 47,000 churches from 52 diverse denominations. Every Monday he is one of just a handful of evangelical leaders patched into a conference call with West Wing staffers to discuss policy concerns. “We wanted him (Bush) to use the force of his office to campaign aggressively for a federal marriage amendment, which he did not do,” says Haggard. He is working to broaden his group’s agenda. “With the growth of evangelicalism worldwide,” says Haggard, “we need to impact the cultureworldwide.”

CONTINUED...

http://www.time.com/time/press_releases/article/0,8599,1022576,00.html



Paging Barney to the Lincoln Bedroom. I mean Bulldog.



A history of Dominion/"Kingdom Now"/Restoration Theology

by dogemperor
Thu Oct 05, 2006 at 07:50:04 AM PST

In an ongoing series I've posted, we started with an exploration of coercive tactics within dominionism, including direct comparisons of "deliverance ministry" and Scientology, and continuing the comparison featuring a look at the Joel's Army movement.

Today, we get to focus on just how deeply rooted dominionism is in these movements, and how long dominion theology and dominionist tactics have been used--and both the depth of the links and the length of time this has gone on will likely suprise even people who have been aware of some of the early history of dominionism.

dogemperor's diary :: ::

Dominionism, or more properly, what Chip Berlet recently termed "Christian Nationalism" and what in the pentecostal and charismatic communities is alternatively referred to as "Kingdom Now Theology", "Dominion Theology", or "Restoration Theology" (yes, as in the Ohio and Texas Restoration Movements) has a bit of a complex history within the pentecostal community.  However, it's an integral part of the theology of much of pentecostalism at this point, has been to greater or lesser extent a major part since at least the thirties and in some extent since the beginnings of pentecostalism, so it's important to understand--if, in part, to learn how even mainstream churches are being affected.

There are five major periods in time that I've identified specific influences in dominionism among pentecostals:

a) Some of the backgrounder (i.e. the belief they are an Elect, the whole Rapture thing, etc.) stem from the birth of pentecostalism itself in 1902 and even with predecessors of pentecostalism, in particular, with aspects of the Holiness and British Israelism movement (the latter also spawned Christian Identity).

Specifically, Pentecostalism itself is a descendant of the "Holiness Movement" in Protestant churches in the 1800's, and whilst most historians define two periods of "pentecostalism" of which "neo-Pentecostals" are the second main flavour, I'm not sure this is such a valid distinction--seeing as "neo-Pentecostalism" actually is descended from movements within "old school" pentecostalism.

The "Holiness Movement" was a movement within the Methodist church that aimed at "church reformation"--in fact, the principle of "baptism in the Holy Ghost", which is typically seen as the solitary proof one is a "true Christian" in those groups, started within Holiness.  The pentecostal movement itself started out as a split from Methodism--starting in 1901, a large revival broke out at a church called the Azusa Street Mission, and the controversy over whether the "speaking in tongues" and other "signs and manifestations" were signs of demonisation or "God's Outpouring" ended up in the split between pentecostals and the Methodist Church.

In fact, much of the theology that was the basis of the "five-fold ministry" (remember that term--it becomes important later) was around as early as the 1830's.

The idea of "rapture" common in premillenarian dispensationalist dominionist groups (of which the majority of pentecostal groups supporting "dominion theology" tend to follow, and certainly most "Christian Nationalists" in the pentecostal movement) is also quite recent, Biblically speaking.  DefCon America has done a good writeup on the subject, but here I'll refer to the specific sources that the DefCon America article used.  John Darby was the originator of the "rapture theology" back in the early 1800s, and much of his theology is actually the basis of beliefs within the pentecostal flavours of dominionism:

    Inspiration and Infallibility of Scripture Darby was unswerving in his belief that the Bible was the inspired, infallible Word of God, absolutely authoritative and faithfully transmitted from the original autographs. If the world itself were to disappear and be annihilated, asserts Darby, "and the word of God alone remained as an invisible thread over the abyss, my soul would trust in it. After deep exercise of soul I was brought by grace to feel I could entirely. I never found it fail me since. I have often failed; but I never found it failed me."

    Once questioned as to whether he might not allow that some parts of the New Testament may have had only temporary significance, Darby retorted, "'No! every word, depend upon it, is from the Spirit and is for eternal service!'" Darby felt compelled to affirm his fidelity to the Word of God because "In these days especially . . . the authority of His written word is called in question on every side . . . "

    Deity and Virgin Birth of Christ On the deity of Christ, Darby is no less compromising than he is on the place of Scripturein the believer's life. "The great truth of the divinity of Jesus, that He is God," says Darby, "is written all through scripture with a sunbeam, but written to faith. I cannot hesitate in seeing the Son, the Jehovah of the Old Testament, the First and the Last, Alpha and Omega, and thus it shines all through. But He fills all things, and His manhood, true, proper manhood, as true, proper Godhead, is as precious to me, and makes me know God, and so indeed only as the other, He is 'the true God and eternal life.'" If Christ is not God, concludes Darby, then "I do not know Him, have not met Him, nor know what He is." As one of the truths connected with the person and work of Christ, Darby cites the "miraculous birth of the Saviour, who was absolutely without sin . . ."

    Substitutionary Atonement Just as the doctrine of the deity of Christ is written all through the Bible, Darby maintains that the propitiation secured by the sacrificial death of Christ "is a doctrine interwoven with all Scripture, forms one of the bases of Christianity, is the sole ground of remission--and there is none without shedding blood--and that by which Christ has made peace; Col. 1:20."

    Darby is convinced that without the atoning work of Christ, man must bear the guilt of his sin, and remain at a distance from God without knowledge of Him or of His love. But thankfully that is not the case, for as Darby points out, "There is death in substitution--He 'bore our sins in his own body on the tree'--'died for our sins according to the scriptures' . .."

    Resurrection of Christ For Darby, "the Person of Christ regarded as risen," is the pivot around which "all the truths found in the word revolve." "Many have, perhaps, been able, in looking at the Church's hope in Christ," says Darby, "to see the importance of the doctrine of the resurrection. But the more we search the Scriptures, the more we perceive, in this doctrine, the fundamental truth of the gospel--that truth which gives to redemption its character, and to all other truths their real power." It is the victory of Christ over death which gives the certainty of salvation. It is the resurrection, asserts Darby, which "leaves behind, in the tomb, all that could condemn us, and ushers the Lord into that new world of which he is the perfection, the Head, and the glory." Consequently, this doctrine characterized apostolic preaching.

    Return of Christ Darby believed that it was essential that the church have a right hope. That hope he understood to be the second coming of Christ. At his coming, Darby maintained, Christ would take the saints to glory with Him, to become the bride, the wife of the Lamb.

    CONTINUED HECKUVA POST FROM dogemperor at KOS...

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/10/5/10504/2835



The Fellowship knows how to turn a buck off the Bible and plan a neo-puritanical NAZI America, but I never took Haggard seriously till I read he was very good friends of Monkey.

Magnificent post, leftchick. Truly revelatory stuff. Infinite thanks.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 04:24 AM
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104. Wow-how far the mighty have fallen.
Haggard and his rabid evangelical followers have done a TON of damage to this country. That he is now exposed as a lying hypocrite doesn't surprise me. Maybe there is a god after all. And if there is, may he or she expose the rest of the lying bastards! :evilgrin:

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