The Kerry "Flap" PROVES ROVE IS A FRIGGIN' MORON!!

[Beetwasher]

Assuming of course Rove was behind the latching onto this flub of Kerry's as a hail mary pass, and I believe he was. This had all the hallmarks of a story that was pushed by at least someone LIKE Rove (and therefore I assume it was him) and I definitely believe that favors were probably called in and "incentives" used in order to make the story what it was. But in the end, it's a flop for numerous reasons, not the least of which is that the people pushing it have about as much credibility as a pack of crack whores (my apologies to crack whores).

In the end, we will be talking about Iraq in the final days to the election, and in the end the Dems are pulling away in most of the critical races and look to make substantial gains. The Kerry "thing" was a pathetic attempt and I hope once and for all, assuming we win on Tuesday, this will put to rest any fantasy's and fairly tales about "Karl Rove Sooper Jeenyus".

Karl Rove is an idiot. A hamfisted thug w/ low cunning, no ethics or morals to speak of and nothing more. I can only imagine what a competent fascist could have accomplished given what he was given. Now THAT'S a frightening thought. In the end, I think we're lucky to have Rove as an opponenent, and not someone w/ actual talent and real genius, because then we might really be in trouble. As it is, yes, he has caused much damage, and still can, but he's always been and always will be an overrated and porcinely inflated, psychotic hack.

[malaise]

1. True but he thinks the population

is made up of morons who can't see through the lies.

[chat_noir]

51. Yeah, the word went out from Rove to these morons

:rofl: :rofl:

[CatWoman]

2. oooooooo

you're making me all tingly!!!

:hi:

[Beetwasher]

5. Hmmmm

That's a good thing, right! :hi:

[CatWoman]

6. I always get all tingly

when someone eviserates those assholes, and sets the record straight :hi:

[Beetwasher]

7. Well, Glad To Be Of Service!

Always a pleasure! :loveya:

[Exiled in America]

3. He's not an idiot at all. Here is what he is:

He is a man who's tactics don't work well in this public climate.

Sorry, but claiming that the principle architect behind an administration that has been in office twice without being legally elected, and successfully driven through some of the most sweeping and radical eviscerations of the constitution and particularly the bill of rights while assuring that the most pathetic and dysfunctional republican controlled congress stays in power for six years can not be called an "idiot" with a straight face.

The problem is, he is a one trick pony. That "trick" worked EXTREMELY well for a long time. But the climate of the country has changed, and now, the trick Rove knows is starting to consistently backfire on him.

[Beetwasher]

4. Yeah

I'm being a bit hyperbolic calling him an idiot (I admit it! It makes for better prose and post titles!), but he's no genius. A genius would never be a "one trick pony", almost by definition.

[BeFree]

11. His best trick?

Making 9/11 into the chaos that it became. Take away 9/11 and we wouldn't even be talking about him today.

[Beetwasher]

14. Yeah

Just think of what someone competent could have done w/ 9/11.

Rove took 90% approval ratings and the pretty much the whole world in our corner and drove it into a ditch, dumped a ton of shit on it, doused it in gasoline, lit it on fire and then starting throwing everyone's grandmothers and children into the ensuing inferno.

Real jeenyus that Rove.

[BeFree]

16. Now THAT was hyperbolic!

Good one. People should take lessons from you.

[Beetwasher]

17. Step Right Up!

Get yer hyperbole here! :evilgrin:

[oblivious]

31. Yes, that does make him the dumbest jerk on the planet.

And I suspect when he ends up in prison even his fans won't be calling him a genius anymore.

[Exiled in America]

26. Yeah, that's fair. Also ---

I think you have a point, in that I'm not sure a "bully" and thug should be called a genius.

[ProSense]

20. Roves best tactic:

media complicity!

Take the media out of the RW frenzy over Kerry's comment and what's left: Rove's genius!

Yawn!

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

46. Ding ding ding ding ding .. . . . .

Without the complicity of the broadcast media, BushCo is unelectable. With their complicity, Diebold, unlimited campaign cash and the rest, he is barely electable.

Rove has been effective in the past because of complicity in the broadcast media, the RW spin machine and the access to obscene amounts of cash to use against his opponents.

[glitch]

37. Criminals only look good to some until they are caught,

Then they look pretty stupid. Not an idiot, granted. Certainly not a genius either. Just a thug with powerful money behind him and a corporate media to amplify his message.

[Marr]

8. I think he ended up insulting alot of the people he was trying to persuade.

Any idiot could see that the GOP spin was lame. The fact that they expected their base to just suck it up like idiots again must've been pretty insulting to alot of Republicans.

[Beetwasher]

9. Yeah, There's That, But The BIGGEST FAILURE Of The Whole Thing

was, as another poster pointed out in another thread and IMO, that I think it energized OUR base more than HIS base!

I hadn't even thought about how energized this whole episode made ME personally! Think about. I want rip their fucking hearts out (figuratively speaking!) after this. It has super motivated at least me, and I know I can't be alone in this, while accomplishing pretty much nothing else meaningful to achieving his (Rove's) goals.

[blm]

10. Kerry hit BushInc back exactly as we have hoped from a Dem and so when

Rove and his mediawhores went after him AGAIN, it was like going after all of US who had finally heard our own years of complaints in that press conference.

[Beetwasher]

13. Yup, He Ripped Off A Scab

And really, really fucking pissed off and motivated a whole lot of us, I'm sure!

[Marr]

12. That's an interesting point. Especially when it's put in the context

of their racist ads, Limbaugh's mocking of Michael J Fox, etc. It's like they've all gone so overtly vile that they're pissing people off.

[KharmaTrain]

15. Intimidation = Genius

These pundits always marvel at Rove's "mystique"...no great secret...all they had to do was look at the career of an Al Capone or Joseph Goebells. When you can bully your critics into silence or get away with ridiculing them with lies and slander and not held accountable, anyone looks like a genius.

I wholeheartedly agree with you this wa a Rovian ploy and I posted on that from the outset. Kerry walked into a trap Rove had set up for some high profile national Democrat for use right at this time. The way the story got astroturfed so quickly and how the talking points were the same by every GOOP mouthpiece had the Rove machine all over it. Even the use of Drudge to break the story during the evening that somehow made it into the morning papers and onto hate radio...so that by noontime the story dominated the airwaves. A true example of how a rumor runs around the while while the truth is getting its pants on.

Hopefully enough people have now seen the brazen Rovian intimidation tactics and aren't fooled by it anymore. The 1984-speak is boomeranging and hopefully a major repudiation is on the way next Tuesday.

Cheers...

[blm]

18. Exactly - One dropped PRONOUN and it would happen to ANY Democrat

but Kerry hit them back in that press conference and energized US. Then Keith made the whole episode even MORE POWERFUL for us.

[Beetwasher]

22. Yeah, I Can Just See His War Room, A Hundred GOP Freaks Combing

Over every single utterance, word for word, of every Dem on a daily basis, just looking for that one mis-spoken sentence to pounce on, and then Rove calls in every favor to push the non-story.

What a waste of effort and what a way to completely destroy any shred of credibility that may have been left. Pathetic really. But a real lesson (or case study) about the state of our disgusting, pathetic, corrupt, dysfunctional press (MSM).

[blm]

47. GUESS WHO can call hearings on CORPMEDIA and dysfunctional press in Jan?

Boy, are these people SUPERDUMB or what?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2562798

[Cetacea]

19. sigh. g'night

I agree.

[Roy]

21. The ONLY genious from Rove is relying on crooked Voting

machines.
And I can do that.

[blm]

24. Bingo - If Rove was such a genius why can't he sell their POLICIES instead

of suppressing votes, purging voter rolls and rigging voting machines to gain power?

[seabeyond]

23. even HITCHIN's knew to be disgusted with this kerry game

you would think our dems would at least be at his pace.... i would hope beyond. unfortunately many felt the need for personal dislike to take front seat instead of going after the media and pugs

[Beetwasher]

25. Yeah

I read those comments Hitchens and Sullivan made. :wow:

[Exiled in America]

27. Another DU thread has a great article that describes Rove PERFECTLY:

I think this is the basic point you were trying to make right?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2559797&mesg_id=2559797

[Beetwasher]

30. I Saw That

Good article and it goes into more detail.

"I think this is the basic point you were trying to make right?"

Hmm, well, I thought I did make my point and Larisa's article makes it too and expands upon it (and probably does so more eloquently).

[Exiled in America]

42. apologies - poor choice of words

I meant that I had agrued about the use of the term idiot to apply to Rove, but your follow up comments and this other article helped me understand that it was just semantics.

[glitch]

38. Except fighting dirty IS their strategy, so there is no wait while it fails.

They go straight to it. They've got nothing else.

[H2O Man]

28. I agree.

Even in the mid-term elections, we can anticipate that there will be the "back-n-forth" that defines important struggles. We had to know that Karl Rove was going to try to make a move during this week. We should rejoice in the fact that it was a pretty damned lame thing that they are trying to focus on. At the very best, Bush and Cheney sound like middle-aged men trying to force listeners to relive a high school ball game. But, with the actual timing involved, most of the public will not be wringing their hands in concern with Kerry flubbing the delivery of a punch line. As the conservative former Marine who is working here said, "Kerry isn't a comic. But Bush is the one who is runing this country."

[blm]

29. As Tom Friedman says BushInc did it because they believe voters are STUPID

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2924467&mesg_id=2924467

[H2O Man]

32. Exactly.

And some are. This appeals to their base. The truth is that they are forced to appeal to their base now -- and that is good news for democrats.

[glitch]

39. Very good news that they are having to appeal to their very eroded base

And as a meme that this will get out their vote, splat. Although it will probably mean they'll take a more desperate action, one that is outside the wurlitzer and effects our reality directly.

[H2O Man]

44. Yep.

Desperate people do desperate things.

[Beetwasher]

35. He's Extremely Predictable And Unimaginative

He's trying to essentially rehash the '04 election in order to effect the midterms, I mean, that's pretty stupid considering he only won in '04 through fraud.

[glitch]

40. He was looking for a plausible reason for his GOTV to "succeed"

as cover for the coming fraud. He'll have to find something else. Hopefully he'll stick to propaganda and not try to create something in the real world.

[blm]

48. yeah, like that "values voters" pile of crap the media piled on us for months

to distract from the exit polls discrepancies.

[Quixote1818]

33. Rove = Hitler tactics. What's so genius about intimidation? nt

[sqarebis]

34. I've always thought he was a moron

An idiot moron to be exact :D

[glitch]

36. "imagine what a competent fascist could have accomplished given what he was given"

:scared: Well said. K & R

[blm]

49. HAHAH....that is scary isn't it?

.

[glitch]

50. Yeah, either we wouldn't know anything about any of it until after

the gate to the slave labor camp slammed shut OR we'd all be completely buying into whatever crap they are selling. USA! USA!

Perhaps we should all take a moment and thank our stars American Fascism came with the faces of Karl Rove, George Bush, Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld (etc).

[emulatorloo]

41. kick n/t

[robinlynne]

43. kudos for "my apologies to crack whores"!

[Virginia Dare]

45. When you're scraping the bottom of the barrel...

you get nothing but scum.