Craig Crawford on Olberman was just talking about how

[napi21]

many Pubs have said things far worse than Kerry, but the Dems just don't ever go for the throat like the Pubs do!

How damn true!!!! So many times I wonder why?

[cobaindrain]

1. All the French/Gay innuendo in 2004

It's true, we haven't learned to attack in the trenches yet. We could build a library with all the downright scathing attacks by repugs. Remember Dole making fun of Kerry's war wounds?

[tblue]

4. I'll be seeing Dole tonight, along with Tom Daschle. I'll submit that question.

It'll be interesting to see if Dole defends the administration. He doesn't appear to be the neocon type.

[cobaindrain]

13. I don't think he's a Neocon either

But he's a Neocon ENABLER, and he's also a Republican before he's a Conservative. Dole has no principles. He'll just parrot whatever talking points they give him. Nobody knows what he truly believes in or what kind of repug he is.

[tblue]

17. I think so, too. Sad and pathetic. I do appreciate, however, that when he ran

for president and lost, he took it like a man. He didn't steal the election. Those were the days, huh?

[cobaindrain]

21. He was just a placeholder while they were grooming Dumya

And he knew it, nobody was voting for a dull as dirt 73 year old repug that year, especially with the unprecedented peace and prosperity we were enjoying back then.

Dole is all about politics, whichever way the GOP winds blow, that's what he's for.

[Josh]

23. And then President Clinton awarded him the Medal of Freedom -

Different times today, huh?

[Booster]

25. Ask him why he has an aide go to the bank and draw out

$8,000 each and every week for "expenses". Then ask him if it has anything to do with the Franklin scandal in Nebraska.

[Dr Fate]

7. Except we could do it with facts- but we dont even do that. n/t

n/t

[aquart]

16. And I'll bet our guys had cocktails with Dole afterwards.

As long as we behave as if what they did is no big deal, it won't be. We're gonna be all buddy-buddy with Lieberman if he wins, right?

[Rose Siding]

2. It's not so much that dems don't make note of it- The press doesn't run with it

[Dr Fate]

10. But neither do DEMS most of the time- so we have 2 problems, not one.

The press never runs with it, true- but all DEMS ever do is issue "releases" and "conferences" and web-only text on obscure websites.

Take the Boener gaffe as a recent example- sure, no on in the media is talking about it- but no DEMS on the TV shows today have brought it up either.

Sure, DEMS put out a web only video and some web only net-text- but that aint fighting. That does not cut it.

The tough talk you see on the above sources are rarely ever repeated by the DEMS once they are on the interview shows.

Ever noticed that the toughest, hardest hitting ads are always "web only?"

[napi21]

11. That's not really true! Every tinme a Dems actually says something

factual, blunt, and harsh, the Pubs scream appologize, and...........DAMN IT the Dems appologize! I can think of several who did that just this past year!

I know I'm suggesting that we get some hardasses out there, but you can't win a bombing battle with a knife!

[Dr Fate]

3. Careful where you tread- I've been labeled a troll & DEM basher for saying this

And I am on many an ignore list as well.

Careful where you tread- if you demand that DEMS DO SOMETHING to combat media bias as opposed to merely using it as a catch all excuse, many DUers will attack you and label you a troll.

Craig Crawford is 100% correct (see Foley, Gannon, Downing Street Memo, etc,etc,etc,etc,etc)

[BattyDem]

5. Because the Dems are civilized human beings.

I wish they would go for the throat, too ... but let's face it, our progressive nature and sense of fair play often prevents us from doing the sleazy shit that the GOP does. However .... it's been PAINFULLY obvious for a looooong time that you can't play nice with the GOP and expect to gain any ground. It's time to take the gloves off. The Dems don't have to sink as low as the Repugs, but they do have to kick some GOP ass!

[Dr Fate]

8. Nothing uncivilized or inhuman about telling the blunt, unvarnished truth.

n/t

[BattyDem]

20. Excellent point!

:toast:

[Mr_Spock]

6. OMG, that is SO true - I can think of dozens of racist/hatist filth

from the likes of Cheney & Bush et al - they are SO fucking lucky that we have compassion & humanity.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

9. Sorry, the Dems do. It's just that MSM won't report it, Corporate Whores that they are.

[Dr Fate]

14. But DEMS could say anything they want on the TV interview shows.

But they dont.

Lets go back and use the Downing Street Memo as an example- sure, the meedia refused to report it b/c it was "old news"- but that did not stop Kerry, Obama, Hillary, Reid, or Howard Dean from mentioning it every time they were on those shows.

Problem is, they didnt. I can give you this exact same scenario for any number of GOP scandals- be it Jeff Gannon, Bush being AWOL, in number of Bush lies, etc- sure- the media wounld not touch it- but neither would hardly any DEMS when on TV.

The media IS biased-they ignore "releases" and "conferences" and other internet web-text, but they dont keep DEMS from attacking Repubs when they are on those TV interview shows.

[rainy]

12. Don't forget, they are bullies and they have corporate power

at their feet. We are not bullies and do not wish to be. And, when we have something legitimate to say the Repub. controlled corporate media just makes fun of us or minimizes our concerns, ie, electronic voting irregularities, pre-emtive wars, Habeas Corpus, warranties spying. We are yelling at the top of our lungs but we can't get any coverage. If we are allowed to air our views we must be met with at least 3 repubs to dispute us and make fun of us. We are the good guys. The underdogs. The freedom fighters. Never forget it.

[Dr Fate]

18. I read only excuses in your post- what is your strategy to counter this?

Mine is that we go on those TV shows and "cover" the stories they refuse to bring up.

No one held a gun to Hillary, Kerry, Dean or Obama's head and told them "If you mention the DSM, it's CURTAINS!!"

"If we are allowed to air our views?" WHO is not being allowed on those shows? Please show me where an elected Democrat stated that he was not allowed on a news show. I see DEMS on all the time.

It's one thing to recognize media bias- but it needs to move beyond the excuse stage and forward tot he "what can we do about it?" stage.

[rainy]

22. Well, maybe I should be saying that progressives are not allowed

much air time and all that I said above. This includes progressive dems such as Dennis K, John Conyers etc.. The mainstream, more corporate leaning dems do get more air time, Biden, Clinton, etc..So the question becomes: Why do some Dems. not want to talk about DSM, Diebold, warrentless wiretapping, death of Habeas corpus etc.... I think they know they will be chewed up and spit out by a purposely ignorant populace who gets their info from the corporate media. See the vicious circle we are in?

[Dr Fate]

24. More excuses. Not helpful.

I dont think truth telling DEMS on TV would get chewed & spit out up by the populace in every single instance.

Especially not if we have a united front- and NOT having a united front is NOT the media's fault.

We have to TRY IT first as opposed to just making excuses.

[OwnedByFerrets]

15. I screamed at the television when he spouted that drivel.......

ITS THE MEDIA YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!

[Dr Fate]

19. I would like you all to see a thread that proves his correct point:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2921106