Dear Gay Community: Out Them All

[smoogatz]

It's time. Time to expose them--all of them. They are liars, hypocrites and pretenders. They've hidden among you all these years, bashing you in public, counting on your discretion in private. The time for discretion is over. Every time they get in front of the cameras and denounce you, they give license to those who would take away your rights, treat you as something less than fully human, or do you physical harm. It's time to stop enabling their dishonesty. If they won't tell the truth about who they are, tell it for them. Out them all.

(Of course it's up to you, as individuals, to make up your own minds about this complex and sensitive issue. But really--it's time.)

[pearl]

1. Absolutely!

These guys are pond scum.
"Pray for the dead and fight like hell for the living" Mother Jones

[undergroundpanther]

2. Here here!

Look if someone seeks to destroy you, take away your rights and hides in the closet to maintain the power and loves power more than integrity or loves power more than freedom, out them they do not deserve your discretion.For if these self hating,power drunk,closeted assholes take away the gay communities rights as human beings, remember,they rely on your secrets to do it.And if you keep their secrets, you help them destroy the gay community,and I for one would like to be treated as a human being, not as a trans-gender menace destroying civilization.. Not as a "abomination".
Keeping secrets and saving"face" for tyrannical people who abuse power,bribe and threaten for your silence is bad enough,..But the monsters who will destroy the gay community, while being gay themselves,who rely on your silence to , Now that is the real abomination.And it all must come out. Let the world know.

[LeftCoast]

3. As a member of the gay community I won't keep secrets for republicans

On the other hand, just calling every republican out there 'gay' isn't the answer either.

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[upi402]

5. I agree 100% OP

Now is the time to save America from these abusive hypocrits.

[ecstatic]

6. has a female politician ever been outed?

or is it only men?

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

7. Lynn Cheney

[upi402]

8. bible doesn't condemn lesbian sex

does it?

I've forgotten so much of it.:shrug:

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

9. I don't know

You've probably forgot more than I ever knew.

[upi402]

10. LOL

Well I've forgot one hell of a lot that I maybe knew, but that aint sayin' very much!

I was listening to a self-described lesbian caller on Ed Schultz (jones/AAR), I think. She said it and it sounds good to me. Ed is good for the cause even tho he frustrated me at first. He's coming on-board more. Now he has regular guests who're gay and has gay and lesbian callers on pretty often.

[Tom Joad]

15. I think it does, but it actually only mentions gay sex a few times in both

the old and new testament.
Much of the rest of it is about loving your neighbor and showing mercy and walking humbly... you'd never know by listening to Robertson & Dobson and such, would you.

[JudyM]

16. Interesting analyses of "abomination" - rethugs do plenty of abominations, themselves...

Here's more info on this issue. It appears that the fixation on gay sex as being unholy is blown way out of proportion in relation to all the other activities that are abominations. Plus, it appears that the passages prohibiting it are embedded in the passages about "ritual putity" which were designed for the purpose of Hebrews differentiating themselves spiritually culturally from the Canaanites, who apparently engaged in gay sex as a ritual to bring about good harvests!

Proverbs 6:16-19 There are six things which the LORD hates, seven which are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and a man who sows discord among brothers.
http://www.dragonlordsnet.com/abomination.htm

More "abominations" from Leviticus:
* Harvested your entire garden (19: 9)
* Consulted with a psychic or medium or had a tarot card reading (20:6)
* If you’re a man and have had sex without taking a shower and cleaning the sheets immediately after. (15:16)
* Touched a woman while she was menstruating (19:19)
* Had a juicy steak or hamburger (17:10)
* Eaten pork (11: 7)
* Have a tattoo (19:26)
* Stolen anything at anytime in your life (19:13)
* Eaten crab (11:10)
* Talked back to your parents (19:3)
* Planted 2 different kinds of plants in the same pot/garden bed (20:19)
* Worn a cotton/wool blend (20:19)
* Trimmed your beard or the hair around your temples (19:27)
* Gotten out of bed after either your parents or grandparents (19:32)
* Eaten shrimp (11:10)
http://www.gentleshepherdmcc.com/leviticus.htm

(T)his injunction is NOT actually incorporated into a list of sexual sins. It merely follows such a list closely but is separated from it by an injunction of a nonsexual kind that clearly emphasizes idolatrous worship of a false god and profaning the name of the true God. In that context (and in the context of even the sexual list being almost entirely described as matters of ritual impurity–that is, as “abominations”, the interpretation of “lying with mankind” as belonging to the Canaanite ritual context of idolatrous worship is, in fact, quite natural. Again, as in the previous injunctions about incest and adultery, the issue is not the sexuality per se, but the ritual impurity of “lying with mankind.”
http://cc.usu.edu/~fath6/Leviticus.htm

Also, see http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Heights/7608/levit.ht

[smoogatz]

17. It's my understanding that there's no mention of lesbianism

in the Bible. That being the case, I don't see how it can be considered a sin.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

24. There is mention of lesbianism in one of Paul's letters.

The only denouncing of homosexuality in the New Testament is done in Paul's letters. Not really the word of Jesus.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

11. Writing a bad lesbian scene in a book does not make one a lesbian.

:eyes:

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

12. True. Was it bad? I've heard it described as "steamy."

Personally I don't care who dates, marries, etc whom.

But I had to wonder why she'd be writing about it at all.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

13. The whole book is on the internet.

I've read plenty of lesbian "love scenes" both within regular novels and hardcorn erotica/porn. This was definitely not "steamy." There are "steamier" and better-written lesbian scenes in "young adult" novels.

If anything, I'd say that scene outed her as a straight woman with no writing ability.

[smoogatz]

44. It certainly doesn't make one a good lesbian.

And it definitely makes one a bad writer.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

20. Good question.

I'm trying to think of lesbian conservatives that I know...

[smoogatz]

45. Mary Cheney. n/t

[Maraya1969]

14. The people in Washington know who is gay and they keep it a secret

I am very ok with this in Hollywood or even with a person who does not want to be out. But these ones in Washington are harming citizens of our country and not just gay people; family and friends are affected too as is our whole society.

Yea I say get someone on the inside to name names and then do some investigative work. Hidden cameras anyone?

[Ohio Joe]

18. Sorry, I can't agree

Outing anyone is just wrong as far as I'm concerned.

[smoogatz]

19. Why?

Is it the use of the truth about sexuality as a weapon that bothers you?

[Ohio Joe]

22. It is the idea that it is wrong that bothers me

I know the argumnts... They are hypocrates... They harm gays when they are gay... We need to fight dirty just like them.

They mean nothing to me, I will not compromise my values.

Usually after stating this I am told something along the lines that I'm meek or I'm allowing myself to be pushed around or i'll be the first one carted off to the FEMA death camps and other such nonsense. It's not true. I go out and vote, I protest, I give money, I refute lies with the truth (without invading anyones privacy). If more people got up off their asses and did these things, we would not even have to discuss using dirty tactics.

[mondo joe]

25. I wonder what value endorses keeping political secrets for your

enemies.

Ain't nothing wrong with acnowledging that someone is gay.

[Ohio Joe]

27. Two things

1) A persons sexual preference is not a political secret to be used as a weapon.
2) Acknowledging someone is gay is wrong if that person does not want it revealed.

[mondo joe]

29. Really? So do we have to get press releases from every public

figure so you can know which ones are okay wih having their orientation acknowledged?

[Ohio Joe]

32. In my opinion...

Anyones orientation, is never anyone else's business to bring up first. 'WE' don't acknowledge others orientation, one should only do that for themselves.

[mondo joe]

35. I don't know what country you live in. In mine, orientation

is a frequent public topic.

Orientation isn't what you do in bed.

[Ohio Joe]

36. And each time it is discussed about someone else...

I believe it to be wrong.

[mondo joe]

37. I wonder where you've been on all those threads that reference

someone's husband or wife.

I also wonder how I'm to know when a person has made it public. Is it when they kiss another man in a gay bar?

[Ohio Joe]

40. I don't post very much

Especially in GD, thats why you have not seen me in those threads. I also don't see this discussion going anywhere. I believe I've made my position clear, it is obvious you disagree and I don't see what your trying to get me to say.

[Megahurtz]

31. But Wait!

Don't you want to turn in those that publicly express their hatred and scorn for Gays and Lesbians (especially for their own Political or other $personal gain$) and are Gay themselves in secret?
They are encouraging shame and hatred against G/L Community, and they should be exposed!!!

Liars should be exposed. Liars are not to be trusted!

Expose their lack of credibility to people who falsely hold them as credible!!!!!!

[Ohio Joe]

34. As I already said, No.

I was raised to believe that two wrongs do not make a right.

[smoogatz]

43. I respect your opinion on this matter.

No argument from me. Except that I don't think telling the truth is ever a "dirty tactic."

[bobthedrummer]

21. Yeah, own up to the gay pride culture. n/t

[jesus_of_suburbia]

23. As a gay man, I TOTALLY agree. Out all the F**KERS!

[mondo joe]

26. As a gay man, my only question is which Repub would I be

willing to do just to have the pleasure of outing him.

Aesthetics vs political advantage... so hard to decide!

[smoogatz]

46. Talk about taking one for the team!

I admire your spirit of sacrifice. Not to mention your strong stomach.

[Minnesota_Lib]

28. I always wondered why so many righties want to ban gays from...

the military. Well, its all becoming clear now. They just want to make sure
they themselves will never have to serve.

Pink chickenhawks.

(Sorry to my gay friends, I just couldn't help myself on this one)

[cwydro]

30. I'm gay

and I agree too.

[Tyo]

33. They've lost any right to privacy and respect

Those who are living secret gay lives while using their positions of power to work against rights and protections for their out gay brothers and sisters deserve and should expect no help from us in maintaining their twisted existence.

[Carni]

38. Basically it's what SOME men did to women and slaves for centuries!

Think about it...straight men married woman and then denied them basic rights, they owned slaves and screwed them when it suited them and denied them basic rights.

This is very much the same thing, IMO

It is time these repukes were forced to stop using other human beings as their chattel.

Edited to read some men--I am not against all men lol

[Megahurtz]

41. It IS the Same Thing!

We've gone back to the Middle Ages and it's time to move forward to where we're supposed to be!

[Carni]

42. Yes and I don't get why some log cabin types

Are allowing themselves to be used?

I realize there are many who are in positions of power with this reich and have things exactly the way they want them...but for every one of them there is some idiot enabling them and keeping quiet.

I don't get it.

[ecstatic]

39. I doubt Bush / Cheney would leave their "secrets" alive

I hope there are some more major GOP outings this week, but the men close to the very top have nothing to worry about (if they are on the downlow). They have a way of killing off their little "problems."