Seems like wave II of subliminal Gay bashing is upon us.

[William769]

:eyes:

[uppityperson]

1. be nice if the focus could be kept on hypocrisy, not gay-dom

Would it matter if the prostitute were female? Yes. OK, I can see the extra hypocrisy for people working to deny rights based on sexual orientation, but it is also the married/committed partner employs a prostitute regular also.

[Warren Stupidity]

2. Did you want to explain that comment?

My interpretation is that you think we ought not to point out THE GODDAMNED HYPOCRISY of the overtly homophobic fascist theocrats, justifying their desire to institutionalize homophobia in the constitution with their false religious pretensions, caught engaging in the same behavior they would like to criminalize. But perhaps you ought to explain yourself.

[LeftCoast]

7. There is a difference between hypocrisy and bigotry

To be a hypocrite one must first BE what one despises. To be a bigot, one only needs to despise.

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[William769]

4. Now thats classic!

[Megahurtz]

6. No Gay Bashing here.....

Just Hypocrite Bashing.

[LeftCoast]

8. That is such BS

[donheld]

10. That is not BS at all!

It's exactly was it is.

[mondo joe]

13. Disagree. It is about the lies and hypocrisy.

And I'm enjoying every single outing.

[LeftCoast]

22. Really? So saying "Bush is gay" is all about hypocrisy, eh?

Puh-leese.

[JuniperLea]

5. That's what I hate about all this outing

No matter how you do it, it sounds like you are bashing gays. You can say "Hypocrite! Hypocrite! Hypocrite!" Until you are blue in the face and all they will here is gay, gay, gay.

[NMMNG]

9. It might be because all of the subject lines read pretty much:

So and so is GAY!!!!!

Not

So and so is a hypocrite!

[JuniperLea]

11. Yep

All the emphasis is on being gay like it is the bad thing we should all know.

I'm a straight woman and I have a problem with it... makes me wonder how gay men feel...

[skypilot]

17. Some of the threads and posts I've seen...

...do in fact focus on the hypocrisy but you'd have to be in denial not to notice the ones that have a more titilated (sp?) quality about them, where it's just about who's gay and with a bunch of bad jokes and puns thrown in. The ones that were really pissing me off were the ones that tried to link everything that is wrong with the GOP to some kind of closeted or repressed homosexuality on the part of just about everyone in it. The mods were deleting those posts left and right for a while right after the Mark Foley story broke.

BuffytheFundieSlayer summed it up quite nicely.

[JuniperLea]

19. Well said

I'm puzzled as to why so many think this is an ok practice... the bad jokes, puns, closeted or repressed, etc. I just think this whole outing deal has set the gay community back a few decades.

[mondo joe]

12. Doesn't sound like that to me in the least.

And I wish I had me a gay republican to out.

[JuniperLea]

15. Well, congratulations on not being a homophobe! :)

I'm trying to walk a mile in another's moccasins and think in terms of how this whole deal only serves to fuel the fire under the asses of the true homophobes in the world.

[mondo joe]

18. But I disagree. I don't think outing anyone makes anyone MORE

homophobic. I don't even see the sequence that would lead to that result.

[JuniperLea]

20. It's the manner in which people talk about it

The jokes, puns, etc. And generally speaking in terms that would lead one to believe there is something inherently wrong with being homosexual. Too many times the focus is on the homosexuality instead of the hypocrisy where it belongs.

[mondo joe]

23. I don't see that increasing homophobia either. I welcome the

jokes, so long as they're actually funny.

[Crankie Avalon]

14. If the sort of people who primarily seem to make up the evangelical movement...

...cared about hypocrisy in and of itself as a principal, then maybe things could be a little different. The headline might read, "Evangelical Head a Hypocrite" and that would be enough. But, the "flock" don't care about the principal--"hypocrisy" is too abstract a concept for them to be outraged over, and, again, they really don't care about hypocrisy per se, anyway. Look at how they think nothing of a Pat Robertson's financial thievery, for example. They do care about "gay," though, and feel it more when they are reminded that their poobah is specifically gay rather than an abstract hypocrite. "Hypocrite, hyprocrite, hyprocrite," they shrug right off. "Gay, gay, gay," hits them where they live.

Obviously, there will be gay people who are uncomfortable with this method of presenting the hypocrisy in such a way as to make it real and vivid enough for even narcotized evangelicals to be discomfitted by. I can't say whether or not this shaking of the assumptions of evangelicals regarding their leaders is worth the discomfort that some gay people might end up feeling as they observe the specifics of the tactic (e.g., "Your leader preached against gays, even though he is 'GAY, GAY, GAY' himself," etc.).

[porphyrian]

16. Fuck left-handed people!

Sorry, I just got the urge to bash people for something they're born with.

[JuniperLea]

21. touche

too many here aren't getting it.