God Bless Bev Harris!

[Joanne98]

If if wasn't for Bev, we would never have the Diebold files. If it wasn't for Bev, we would never have the the proof. If it wasn't for Bev, we would have gone thru decades, maybe centuries, of rigged elections. She got the files and she should be forgiven. I have nothing else to say.
Joanne98

[stevedeshazer]

1. Oh boy.

:popcorn:

[Wonk]

3. This'll be fun to watch.

:popcorn:

[greatauntoftriplets]

6. Hey Wonk.

Did you record this?

:hi:

And :popcorn:

[Wonk]

9. I don't get HBO, but I bet it'll be on bittorrent soon enough.

:hi:

[greatauntoftriplets]

15. Great....

I don't have HBO either, but the triplets' mother Tivo-ed and recorded it for me.

Andy was so damn psyched over this film. As is termite.

[Sydnie]

23. Got any more of that popcorn to share?

I can kick in some

[greatauntoftriplets]

26. Here.....

:popcorn:

And some :beer: to wash it down. You'll need it.

[Sydnie]

30. thanks

I was getting a bit thirsty ... :rofl:

[TahitiNut]

73. (munch) (munch)

:popcorn:

[donheld]

106. I hate when I'm late for a party

:popcorn::beer:

[althecat]

120. You are still here...

hi

mentioned you over here in a reminiscences thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2557694&mesg_id=2559132

[JeffR]

4. Beverage with that?

:beer:

[Wilms]

5. Better make that two.

:popcorn: :popcorn:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

8. Steve! 4pm Sat. Goosehollow Inn...

:)


Bev is a kook, but I'm glad they had cameras along.

:beer:
popcorn makes me thirsty.

[stevedeshazer]

39. 'K!

:toast:

[babylonsister]

103. I'm 3 hours late, but that popcorn looks good! nt

[lildreamer316]

2. I agree, although we are gonna get FLAMED all to hell.

Right now, the other stuff dosen't matter as much as getting the truth out there.

[texasleo]

7. Oh boy.Oh boy.Oh boy.

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[Joanne98]

10. It's time to forgive Bev....

Now I'm going to bed....

[greatauntoftriplets]

29. Read this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=340188

[Richard Steele]

34. Why, has she apologized? Returned the money? Stopped being a scumbag?

No, it is most definitely not even CLOSE to "time to forgive".

Fuck her in her black little heart.

[Pastiche423]

46. I will NEVER forgive bev

What she did to Andy is unforgiveable.

Plus, she had no idea what she had found until someone told her. She was never out for the good of the people, she was only out for bev.

[KyndCulture]

49. No fucking way will I ever forgive her.

Call me a rotten person, but I don't have that in me.

[NoPasaran]

56. It will never be time to forget Bev

[Bluebear]

74. Ah, is she giving out refunds?

[flyarm]

75. never ever will i forgive bev !! she tortured a dying man for god's sake!

yes she tortured him..she withheld money she owed him when he was ill with cancer! and needed surgery..no..i will never ever ever forgive that fucking monster bitch!

and then see went on neo con web sites and called a dying man a liar about his illness..wtf is wrong with people here..do you have such short memories?????????

that fucking filthy pig bitch never deserves being forgiven!

fly

[troubleinwinter]

98. NO

I do not forgive unrepentant sociopathic criminals who do harm.

G'nite and sleep tight with visions of 'Rumsfeld the Forgiven' in your head.

Maybe after a snoozie, you will explain why Bev should be 'forgiven'.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

108. Good idea. Maybe when you sleep on what you've said, you'll come the realization

that this women is a fraud, and stole a great deal of money from people who tried to keep our democracy alive. Not to mention also the hell she put Andy through. With this off my chest, I'm going to sleep now.

[jobycom]

11. Wow. One thread title, two entities I just can't believe in.

:popcorn:

[KyndCulture]

18. buhahahahahahah

:rofl:

no shit!

pass that butter, will ya?

[NEDem]

52. Amen

:evilgrin:

[KyndCulture]

12. Pass the butter and cheese ya'll.

:popcorn:

[uppityperson]

13. No one is totally bad or totally good.

It is good to appreciate anyone for any good they do.

[ConsAreLiars]

47. Thanks. This seems to be something too many can't quite understand

Saint or EvilDoer. Hero or Villain. Black Hat vs. White Hat.

Too much TV maybe. Or too many preachers. Or Arrogance. Or Naivete. Whatever.

The main thing is that both Bev Harris and Andy, and many others, have done important work, and the fact that this film was made and dedicated to Andy is something that makes me proud that I was able, in a small way, to help both of them begin their work. I had the good fortune to meet Andy a few times, and he was a truly decent person. Not perfect, I assume, but he did good important work.

Divisiveness and infighting do not help us protect democracy.

[Pacifist Patriot]

55. Hey, watch what you say about preachers!

I've been screaming complexity and ambiguity from the pulpit for eons now. :)

[ConsAreLiars]

69. Yup. My oversimplification.

I should have said "evil monsters who pass themselves off as preachers in order to rob the poor (not a good thing) in order to pay prostitutes (not there is anything wrong with paid sex-workers) and buy drugs (not that there is anything wrong with self-medicating) and turn their followers into mindless demons (that is how they earn their "truly evil" lapel pin)."

[Pacifist Patriot]

124. LOL! I figured that's what you meant.

They give the rest of us a horrid name.

[grasswire]

14. I can only speak for my experience.

If it weren't for Bev Harris, I wouldn't have known about the problems with e-voting as early as I did. People think I'm a genius for knowing years ago and yammering about it. I have fought for paper ballots because I knew, because of Bev. I have no opinion on the rest of it and haven't followed it much.

[LaPera]

16. She blew me away...and I listened to all the clowns who know nothing...

What great dedication...no wonder the smear occurred.

Everyone MUST see this HBO and they will come away with some humility.
(I hope)!

[tkmorris]

17. So, the film is claiming Bev found those files?

That's interesting.

[OhioChick]

19. Uh-Oh

:popcorn:

[derby378]

20. Honestly, I can't remember why Bev fell from grace around here, but...

I still thank her for the research, for the dumpster-diving, and for the good times.

[greatauntoftriplets]

21. I need to keep a window open to this link.

Happy reading. She screwed two members in good standing at DU.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=340188

[derby378]

41. Oh, yeah. THAT.

I remembered the Randi Rhodes broadcast where Bev Harris bolted and hung up on Randi. That was pretty much the last nail in the coffin as far as I was concerned. Not even Bev gets to diss my fellow DUers without cause and pretend that everything's okey-dokey.

But my earlier statement still stands. "For the good times..."

[Hissyspit]

45. How easily we forget around here. n/t

[Pirate Smile]

31. I remember the night when they reported that they found the signed

poll tapes in the trash and that they didn't match the ones the county gave out.

We thought it was going to be huge because they told us it was videotaped. Well, it was taped, thank goodness. It is just one or two years later before we got to see it. We wanted to see it that night.

[gerrilea]

59. That was the night I donated to any organization for the 1st time

I too wanted to see the video...but we never ever saw it...

Fortunately at the time I was unemployed and could only send $5 to BBV...sort of glad I didn't send anymore...despite all that's happened since...

[Tess49]

22. Just gonna duck under my keyboard for a while. n/t

[KyndCulture]

24. I'm with you Tess...

yikes

[graywarrior]

25. OK, who voted?

[Synnical]

27. Do I need to put this thread on ignore?

HBO is doing something about Bev Harris? :shrug:

[texpatriot2004]

28. I agree, no matter what, I am grateful for all she did nm

[Pastiche423]

60. What did SHE do?

It's apparent you weren't here in 2003.

The research for her book? DUers.

[troubleinwinter]

86. as in 'the ends justify the means'?

She has slimed and smeared legitimate honest election reform activists and organizations. Discredited the movement with county elections officials that we needed to bring over to our side, violated IRS and State laws for two years, and fucked Andy in various ways, including keeping his income tax withholdings for over a year so that he could not access his own money when he needed it while she sat on a million bucks donated and she never produced the documents promised...

And you say "no matter what"???? WHAT THE FUCK? WHAT THE FUCK DOES IT TAKE to admit that she is a sociopathic liar cheat who does HARM to people and the cause?

[Tellurian]

97. I was absent for a time in 03'

I knew Bev had started on the trail and had gone missing for a while.
People were concerned for her whereabouts. I heard the fbi had questioned
her and she was detained for a time..I left here around that time and only
returned sporadically before 04' to support Kerry and afterwords left once more.

I've been back at DU for several months now..so, I'm not aware of all the details.
I will say one thing...besides all the sordid details, she got to the bottom of things
and may just save our asses on Tuesday...We'll see what happens then.

[Jo March]

136. She claimed all types of things

The FBI was following her, Agent Mike was after her, Diebold was after her, blah, blah, blah.

She says all kinds of things.

She did not get to the bottom of things. DUers and others did. She took the credit and slimed folks in the process.

In NC, folks like WillYourVoteCount and Kelvin Mace will save our asses - not Bev.

[Lex]

32. Is she the lady who bilked Randi Rhodes' listeners out of cash?

:shrug:

[Sydnie]

33. Yep

One and the same.

[KyndCulture]

35. among other horrid acts...

yes.

[alittlelark]

37. YUP. Randi was none too pleased about that one.

[wherewingstakedream]

48. Yes

Randi had her on her show and got very angry with her on the air. She took a lot of money from Randi's listeners. She said she would investigate Ohio election fraud after the 2004 election with the money and did absolutely nothing.

[flyarm]

77. yes she is ..and she threatened Keith Olberman with a lawsuit because she

lied to him and he asked her to come on his show..and she did not call him back and he called her out ..and she then threatened a bogus suit..

she is garbage..she is a fraud ..she is a scam!

fly

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

112. Here is one of the lengthy threads from that time dear Fly!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=106819

:hug::hug::hug:

[flyarm]

115. thank you sweet ommmm..

tough day........:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

:hug: :hug: :loveya: fly

[truedelphi]

117. The Olberman thing - that was one of the top reasons

that she fired Andy - she wasn't handling her incoming messages properly. So she didn't realize she had that opportunity.
Andy was at his sister's funeral in Texas. She blamed Andy - who was out of the loop for the time being - for not getting her the messages. AND SHE TOLD ME THAT SHE KNEW THAT ANDY was scheming to get on Olberman in place of her (like he cared - at that point, he was grieving his heart out over his sister's death.) I think at times her neural network just goes totally ape s*%$ into paranoia.

[demobabe]

119. No, that's not true

She blamed her not getting the calls on some conspiracy against her that made her phone not work right. She told Randi Rhodes that she never called her, and Randi refuted that. She said she watched her caller ID and never saw any calls from Randi or Keith Olbermann or CNN.

You want to hear it? It's right here: http://www.tbtmradio.com/mp3/bev_randi.mp3

It's always an excuse with her.

Blame Andy. Blame Randi. Blame Agent Mike. Blame some weird government conspiracy.

But don't blame Bev.

Don't look at her track record and see she hasn't accomplished nearly any of what she said she was going to do.

Don't look at her bank account where she collected nearly a million dollars in cash donations from DUers, Air America listeners and others.

Don't ask her about the 3000 FOIA requests where to this day she has only posted any information on 3 or 4 of them.

Don't ask why Bev Harris sat on the video of much of this until tonight when this documentary was shown - when she refused to air any of this on shows like Countdown.

There is no excuse for any of the mean-spiritedness and con games Bev Harris has played with all of us. It's a real sore subject around here, and is frankly quite humiliating. She is NOT welcome on the DU, having been tombstoned not ONCE, but TWICE (and I think she's been tombstoned more than that if you count her sock puppets).

She's been given more than a fair chance around here. She has no credibility. Ugh.

[truedelphi]

128. Demo - You were not on a conference call with me

And Bev.

I stand by what I am reporting that she told me.

She may have well said what she said on RR's show. But she told me a different story. (as is a habit of hers - a different story for many of the queries that she answers.)

[demobabe]

129. I misread your posting

I thought you claimed straight out that she fired Andy stating he botched her communications. If you reread your first sentence with the word "he" in the second part instead of "she," that's where I got confused.

Sorry about that...

[truedelphi]

130. In re-reading my posting I GET THAT my first

sentence is ambiguous - and can easily be read that Bev *rightly* fired Andy over the Olberman calls. NOthing is further from the truth. Andy should not have been fired and certainly not for
Bev's made-up reasoning.

I apololgize to you for writing this out so poorly.

[troubleinwinter]

88. And her site referred to the money collected from DUers as "chump change"

... and one of her Board of Directors (professional lobbyist, republican, Jim March) referred to DUers as "commies".

[NancyG]

92. I was one

I donated $20 after listening to Randi.

[Ecumenist]

36. I remember that she was supposedly getting all

this information that showed that the election was screwed but for whatever reason, I don't ever remember her giving the evidence that she said would turn the presidential on it's head, to the people who needed it. I now wonder if that was because she was holding it all for the purpose of getting a deal with someone like HBO? Lot's of people kept pleading with her to submit her evidence and, correct me if I'm wrong but she not refused but never did. Alot of DUer's guessed that she was angling for something like this HBO documentary and it turns out that they were right, as far as I can see...

Anyone care to add their viewpoint...

[qanda]

38. I think I remember part of the problem

Was that people doubted she actually had footage from finding receipts in the trash. Well, clearly from I just saw, she was NOT lying. Good on you Bev, it was an excellent documentary and I hope it wakes up a lot of people to just how much danger our democracy is in.

[eridani]

64. This footage was evidence of a crime

Why was it not treated as such two years ago?

[Tellurian]

101. Well then the AP reported this in 03' What is this all about?

VOTE TUESDAY or DIE BOLD

OUR ANCESTORS, PARENTS, SOLDIERS DID NOT DIE FOR A BUNCH OF RIGHT WING THIEVES TO HIJACK THE DEMOCRATIC SYSYEM: VOTE. VOTE. VOTE !

Associated Press Associated Press | Also by this reporter 2003-12-17 18:23:00.0
SAN FRANCISCO -- At least five convicted FELONS secured management positions at a manufacturer of electronic voting machines, according to critics demanding more stringent background checks for people responsible for voting machine software.

Voter advocate Harris alleged Tuesday that managers of a subsidiary of DIEBOLD, one of the country's largest voting equipment vendors, included a COCAINE trafficker, a man who conducted FRAUDULENT STOCK TRANSACTIONS and a programmer JAILED for FALSIFYING COMPUTER RECORDS.

The programmer, Jeffrey Dean, wrote and maintained proprietary code used to count hundreds of thousands of votes as senior vice president of Global Election Systems, or GES. DIEBOLD purchased GES in January 2002.

According to a public court document released before GES hired him, Dean served time in a Washington state correctional facility for stealing money and tampering with computer files in a scheme that "involved a high degree of sophistication and planning."

"You can't tell me these people passed background tests," Harris, author of Black Box Voting: Ballot Tampering in the 21st Century, said in a phone interview.

DIEBOLD spokesman Michael Jacobsen emphasized that the company performs background checks on all managers and programmers. He said many GES managers -- including Dean -- left at the time of the acquisition.

"We can't speak for the hiring process of a company before we acquired it," Jacobsen said. He would not provide further details, saying company policy bars discussion of current or past employees.

The former GES is DIEBOLD's wholly owned subsidiary, Global Election Management Systems, which produces the operating system that touch-screen voting terminals use.

Dean could not be reached for comment Tuesday afternoon.

Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-California) announced a bill last week that would require stringent background checks on all electronic voting company employees who work with voting software. The bill, which Boxer plans to introduce in January, would toughen security standards for voting software and hardware, and require touch-screen terminals to include printers and produce paper backups of vote counts by the 2004 presidential election in November.

Harris and Andy Stephenson, a Democratic candidate for secretary of state in Washington, conducted a 10-day investigation in Seattle and Vancouver, where the men were convicted. Harris and Stephenson released the findings in a 17-page document online and at a news conference in Seattle.

Also Tuesday, Washington Secretary of State Sam Reed announced legislation that would require electronic voting machines in the state to produce a paper trail.


If the legislature approves it, touch-screen machines in the state would be required to produce paper receipts by 2006.

Voters would get to see but not touch or remove the receipts, which would be kept in a county lock box. Computer programmers say software bugs, hackers or electrical failures could cause more than 50,000 touch-screen machines used in precincts nationwide to delete or alter votes.

California Secretary of State Kevin Shelley said last month that touch-screens in the nation's most populous state must provide paper receipts by 2006.

[Sydnie]

126. Right, why didn't she give it to Olbermann to run on his show

and then have NBC run it too? It could have blown the whole thing wide open when it was happening then, instead of now just before it happens again. Holding on to that info put us two years further behind!

[QuestionAll...]

131. gee, now why didn't the Downing Street papers...

make it big time on CNN.
What's with that Conyers, anyway.

burn him!

[Sydnie]

133. Conyers was not the only one with access to the DSM

Bev WAS the only one with access to that footage and those tapes. She could have brought all that out by showing what she had to someone with the power to expose it, nationally, but she didn't. She held on to it so it could be in her movie.

Don't know what this has to do with Conyers at all.

[QuestionAll...]

134. the media and what they choose not to report...

That is what this has to do with it, sorry if I was Unclear, I thought it was an understanding here.

by 'her' movie, what do you mean? Did she produce it herself, get paid for acting, what? I ask in sincerity.

[Sydnie]

139. Well, Olbermann WANTED to cover it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2559082&mesg_id=2559141

This is a good place to start to answer your questions. Then, read the whole thread and listen to the mp3 linked in the OP of that thread. No matter how you slice it, it's HER movie because it's always all about Bev.

[Rex]

40. I don't read DU for a day

and how's my driving? :evilgrin:

[Booster]

42. I have to agree with you. I don't know all the sordid details

about Bev, and I don't doubt that she did Andy wrong, but watching this documentary I gotta tell ya that I was impressed by her and didn't really want to be. All of this stuff is way over my head, but thank God for people like Bev and Andy who pushed their way through to get this out in the open.

[greatauntoftriplets]

43. For a good introduction to Bev...read this from Kelvin_Mace...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=340188

[MaraJade]

104. Very Easy to unmask the Harris money trail. . .

drop a dime to the IRS and suggest that the 990 for Blackboxvoting.org be audited.

[QuestionAll...]

132. who is Kelvin Mace and why the hell should I believe him?

just asking.

[greatauntoftriplets]

135. Because he was one of the first people here to get screwed by Bev.....

and has behaved with absolute class throughout everything, providing real evidence. Read the thread I posted. He posts actual links.

Do you believe Bev? You were not around here during that time. I was. And I was a good friend of Andy's...in real life.

[stillcool]

44. I've got to say...

that was very, very sad to watch. I came here right around the 2004 election, and was totally psyched at all these events. And...Andy. Wow. It's so weird .. it's like seeing someone I went to school with. If for nothing else, I'm glad I watched it and saw him. He is a great reminder in the power of one, and how someone can touch a life and never even know it.

[troubleinwinter]

102. "the power of one"

Andy's legacy of friendships and loved-ones lives and is unbroken.

He was a teacher. And a dear friend to so many.

[Zomby Woof]

50. My humble blessing for Bev Harris

May her shit come to life, and kiss her.

[Sydnie]

51. ROFL!

:rofl:

[Richard Steele]

54. Indeed.

:toast:

[KyndCulture]

57. I'll second that emotion.

Karma's a motherfucker, Bev...

[hunter]

67. Yes! Exactly!

:rofl:

[William Bloode]

87. That was classic!

You get two snaps and in z formation!

:rofl:

[Tatiana]

118. Amen.

:toast:

[kster]

53. KICK N RECOMMENDED........

You are correct, Thanks Joanne98 :thumbsup:

[bicentennial_baby]

58. fuck her...

she's evil, through and through...sorry.... :puke:

[johnaries]

61. God bless ANDY!!!!!!!

Let's not forget who actually did most of the hard work that Bev pimped out for her own self-gratification.

I think God took Andy early because He couldn't wait to thank him in person.

[KyndCulture]

62. awwww...

that was an awesome post.

[troubleinwinter]

95. Truly.

[Richard Steele]

111. Damn Right! Bev was never more than a PARASITE on a few good people.

And Andy was one of them.

[wherewingstakedream]

63. God bless Andy Stephenson!

and I know if there is a heaven he is there.

[troubleinwinter]

96. He earned it. He worked for us and taught us.

[EFerrari]

65. I don't even have to say anything about that grifter.

Her Karma was in her hands and she made her own choices.

[KyndCulture]

66. I wish the mods would close this thread.

it taint's Andy's memory.

[troubleinwinter]

89. Truth does not taint his memory. Andy cared about and supported truth.

[flyarm]

90. no Andy would want new people to know the truth about that fraud..

and not be suckered by her ever again!

this should not be locked so new people understand how vile that woman
( monster) is!

fly

[Pastiche423]

68. Is she the star of this docu?

If so, I am very glad I couldn't watch it.

No god will bless that scammer.

[nomatrix]

70. This was posted at Brad Blog...

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3605

HBO statement on Hacking Democracy....

-snip-

"Harris brought this proprietary "secret" information to computer security expert Avi Rubin of Johns Hopkins University, who determined that the software lacked the necessary security features to prevent tampering. Her subsequent investigation took her from the trash cans of Texas to the secretary of state of California and finally to Florida, where a "mini-election" to test the vulnerability of the memory cards used in electronic voting produced alarming results.

As the scope of her mission grew, Harris drew on the expertise of other computer-science experts, politicians and activists, among them: Andy Stephenson, candidate for secretary of state in Washington state; Susan Bernecker, Republican candidate in New Orleans; Kathleen Wynne, an activist from Cleveland; Hugh Thompson, director, Security Innovations, Inc.; Ion Sancho, Florida’s supervisor of elections; Susan Pynchon of the Florida Fair Elections Coalition; and Harri Hursti, a computer-security analyst. Academics, public officials and others seen in interview footage include: Deanie Low, supervisor of elections, Volusia County, Fla.; Mark Radke, marketing director of Diebold; David Cobb, presidential candidate, Green Party; and Rep. Stephanie Tubbs-Jones of Ohio."

-snip-

"In Florida, Supervisor of Elections Ion Sancho presided over a trial "mini-election" to see if the vote could be hacked without being detected. Before votes were actually cast, computer analyst Harri Hursti "stuffed the ballot box" by entering votes on the computer's memory card. Then, after votes were cast, the results displayed when the same memory card was entered in the central tabulating program indicated that fraud was indeed possible. In other words, by accessing a memory card before an election, someone could change the results – a claim Diebold had denied was possible.

Ultimately, Bev Harris' research proved that the top-secret computerized systems counting the votes in America’s public elections are not only fallible, but also vulnerable to undetectable hacking, from local school board contests to the presidential race. With the electronic voting machines of three companies – Diebold, ESS and Sequoia – collectively responsible for around 80 percent of America’s votes today, the stakes for democracy are high."

-end snip-

There is more there, but I wanted to include what they said, so those who didn't watch it, would know, who was in it and what they showed. The last paragraph is who produced the documentary.

Regardless of the hard feeling, it is important to note, the message was delivered! That is what Andy wanted and he is filmed saying it in the documentary. I didn't know Andy personally but corresponded with him here on DU and by e-mail. I am very aware of what happened here.
All I would suggest is that you see the documentary, and see, that it was Harri Hursti who set the memory card, yet he was outside of the room, and let IT prove his point.
This will be available, On Demand HBO, starting tomorrow.
Do you know how many people will see this? It was very well done. I am proud of everyone involved. The best things I can think to do, would be goggle bomb it.
It was well done and many people had a hand in bringing this about. Thank you HBO!

[Pastiche423]

78. What A Crock

At least the DUers that were here at the time, know what really happened.

[GreenTea]

71. Years ago Bev was the first person to make many of us aware of

electronic voting machine stealing here on DU...and then, as I have stated she obviously fucked up...but for a time she was the only one sounding the alarm, and loudly, that can't be ignored either...I truly was aware of it back then, of what she was preaching...but nowhere near the extent or knowledge that Bev had back then...OK, hate her, but give her, her due, as far as sounding the alarm, as we continue to scream about the easily hackable machines...If the hate makes it better or easier for you, I do understand...However, on the other hand, you can't just completely ignore her initial intentions, as well as her fuck-ups...To do so, well, is to be so voluntarily blind & so republican, ignorant of the facts...I'm sorry she fucked up...but that should not take away from this excellent & important HBO documentary that Bev is just a part of...and that all should see...Again, Bev is just a part of it. Hate her if you must but it goes beyond that, our country is at stake, this election and the millions that are sincerely hurting because of the machine thefts...We must move on and work together, now that we have been given the facts to work with.

And HBO offers an incredibly, insightful, exposed and devastating look and facts, to what we are up against. We must get rid the machines and go forward, back to paper ballots!

[Rex]

72. Talon.com

She let greed destroy her integrity, IMO. I was there from the start of her 'rise'. It was interesting watching the whole thing unfold and really really sad with Andy's death as a sort of conclusion. :(

I know in some ways, I'm still very sad over Andy. :(

[nomatrix]

80. I've read it all, Ok. I know.

I am sorry that Andy didn't have the opportunity to live to see this.

Can I ask, please for a moment, to think like Andy.

I think he was a quite remarkable man. His words and actions, in that awful time he was battling cancer....what was the last thing he said about voting?
All that he had worked for... finally on HBO, and all his friends won't watch it.

What Would Andy Do? I'm trying to think of what he'd say when he was God_Bush_and_Chaney to lighten things up....

This isn't a Bev documentary. But like I said it's up to you. I've been here a long time. By no means new, and I followed all of it, and I know what a POS she is but, for Andy....don't give the trolls anything to discredit all the work done by ALL THE PEOPLE.

Let me give you some history.....

Once upon a time, there was a group at Salon Table-Talk, before DU was born. I was part of that. Before Election 2000. As all the crap hit the fan we were posting it. One lady started a huge link site, of everything we were posting, that was from the 2000 results as well as all the challenges.

Everyone just did it. No one took credit. It just was a work in progress.

Every newspaper throughout FL. (almost) every lawsuit Bush v Gore & Gore v Bush. Who HERE, knows how many lawsuits there were? Anyone? The facts were astounding. The proof was there. When it all came down, the Supreme Court decision flattened us.

For all the work, for every hour spent researching, the hours of disappointment, we came to understand what we were dealing with.

Frankly, I was so burned out by that, I didn't even want to start on this, when Bev started so many threads on it here,
but I sent her information we researched. If it helped, fine.


The truth (some of it)about Diebold made it to HBO.
She didn't do it alone, but she did stick it out to the end, along with her neck.
Your feelings are yours, and by no means am I telling you how you should feel....just that you should watch it. For Andy. I think he would be proud of you, if you did. Thats all.

[GreenTea]

And Andy is well presented in this HBO Documentary!!

[flyarm]

99. Andy was represented but bev took credit for all the work Andy did!

and what many many others did !!

she is a fucking whore!

why don't you please go read the archives..you know not what you speak!

fly

[GreenTea]

83. Dupe

[GreenTea]

84. !

[Rex]

100. Awesome guy, watched him post and wondered actually how

many people it would take to change the world. Not many if we had more like Andy and Wellstone and old Ike. :(

Sorry, I'm just kinda upset all over again. Bev did what she did and Andy did what he did and we all do what we can.

Thanks for your post nomatrix. It makes me feel a lot better. :)

Bev, well, I am starting to believe we all pay and contribute in our own ways to life. Bev is Bev.

[nomatrix]

113. Thanks you, Rex

I felt that way about him too. Very brave and humble. An example to all of us. I know he'd be proud to see that the work he did, made it to be big screen for a one hour documentary and not just a mention on the news.

[SoCalDem]

85. Not quite..

WE were lightyears ahead on the research.. bev found out from US.. She stumbled upon the code and came HERE to find out what she had.,. It was the computergeeks HERE who told her what she had, and they were the ones who mirrored the stuff all over to protect it from "gremlins"..

She also spun it a bit to indicate that Andy found her AFTER she fopund the code and that he was already running for office.. That did not happen that way. He was already here at DU, as was she.

I remember when he announced that he was running for office..

She used the money she solicited from here (and other places, no doubt) to do the actual legwork, and that was a positive, but the evil things she did to Andy cancelled out the goodwill she "could" have had..

Mussolini made the trains run on time, but that did not make him a "good guy"..

[nomatrix]

107. BTW

Here are the some of lawsuits we were covering at TT and Greg Palast was there as well.
Remember, he discovered Choicepoint/DBT, scrubbing the voters from the record. Or was he given that? I really don't care.
He got it out there...

http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/us/election/election2000.html

Look, I'm not going to battle with you...

I know when Bev came here, I was here. I remember all the threads she started looking for someone who knew software.
I know all of this.

I had a different name I used when I first came here. I changed my name when I changed
my provider and started a new date. But I was here from the beginning. All the "your an anti-Semites threads" got really got old.

I am saying this.
Tomorrow, when you hear any of the talking heads repeating your words about Bev,
how "even the Dem's say she can't be trusted".....then please take a bow. Because we will know who to credit.

Do you really think this is what Andy would have wanted?

You might recognize me, by this.
When Andy was saying how grateful he was to have so much support when he was so sick, and how
all his friends here at DU rallied behind him, rounding up this money to pay for this, and a home to stay in....
I said to him to go to a support group with other who are in that hospital, battling it all alone, without a hope in the world.
Give them a little hope...to pass it on.
I took some flack for that too.
Life is extremely cruel. Andy's type of cancer killed most of my husbands' family, before 40.
Pancreatic cancer is brutal. 4 months or if your really lucky 6 months, of rotting down to bones.


Mussolini?? You can't be serious. But, please. If it makes you feel better. Attack me.
I think he wanted Diebold to be exposed no matter how he felt about Bev. He looked good too. Sitting on the floor with all the
tapes......never mind.

[SoCalDem]

110. Don;t get me wrong.. I think the documentary will open

lots of eyes, and for that I am grateful.
I am afraid though, that with no time to actually do anything, this will blow over aftre the election, and a few months before '08, we will be typing the same things..

i hope I am wrong.

[nomatrix]

114. I understand. SoCalDem.

Yes it will open eyes, because it was well done.

[Tellurian]

105. You're exactly right, Green Tea..

Thank goodness some of us here can see the real objective is close at hand.

Bev is NOT it! The Ballot Box IS!

For whatever reason, I and so many others were not here to be tainted by the bad blood
between Bev and activist posters of things she was guilty of. Hate and revenge are too
of the unhealthiest emotions to dwell upon.

I thank Andy and Bev for their due diligence and perseverance in seeking out and finding
the root of the ballot box fraud. Not only taking the 3 major companys to task but actually
finding out and proving how the fraud was accomplished.

God Bless us on Tuesday..

Wonder how Bush took the newly revealed information..think he's reaching for a brandy?

[LittleClarkie]

76. Marshallows anyone?

I'm makin' smores!

[KyndCulture]

79. Cigars anyone? nt

[yowzayowzayowza]

81. Indeed.

Forgive? Sure. Trust? No.

>If it wasn't for Bev, we would have gone thru decades, maybe centuries, of rigged elections.

Naw.

[Cleita]

82. Bev Harris was made aware of the Diebold files by others

who were working on them first. I was here when she announced that she was going to take up the cause like she was going to coordinate and publicize what was already compiled by others. She took credit for work that was done by others.

I have nothing else to say.

[troubleinwinter]

91. ....smearing others all the while she trod on their backs

[JCMach1]

121. Exactly... I have my own experiences with Bev that confirms

much of what has been said here.

Unfortunately, she did as much damage as good for the cause...

[Dorian Gray]

93. Every so often

multiple Bev Harris threads rear their ugly heads. ::Yawn::

[William Bloode]

94. I'll give her a tentative blessing.

While i think shes a black hearted dog i'll look at it like this. Andy mentioned in the doc when they were talking of his cancer that what he wanted was his legacy would be his work on this issue. Now it is. Was always his legacy for many of us here, but now it's for millions.

When he said all he wanted was to be remembered for his work on this. I thought it is man it is. I then shed a few tears of a sublime mix of gladness and despair.

[Tellurian]

109. Well said..

If I had known Andy, I would feel the same way.

You said it best, friend..

thanks..and cheers to Andy-

:toast:

and thanks again for the timely graphics, SoCalDem..

[symbolman]

116. Here's a nice little Blast from the Past

THE mp3 of Bev Harris getting the RIOT ACT read to her by Randi Rhodes on Air America..

Bev FIRED Andy on the Website and DIDN'T KNOW? Never made it to Ohio?

Randi says at the end while the music is playing "IF we find out that she was making a movie..."

Well she did, or rather a film company did, but SHE would NOT release all that info waved in front of the DU for Donations to Olbermann, or KERRY for that matter.. if you Believe that SHE had blockbuster info, or SHE believed it, and DIDN'T share it with Olbermann, the Press OR KERRY, then HOW was Kerry to fight?

IF she'd released this info, instead of saving it for a movie SHE was starring in, what MIGHT have Kerry done, instead of being TRASHED in the film?

I think Bev Harris owes Kerry and this COUNTRY an APOLOGY.

Here's the mp3, listen to it ALL, pass it around if you feel the need, and NOW you KNOW.

http://www.tbtmradio.com/mp3/bev_randi.mp3

[cali]

122. Yeah, well I have something to say to you:

This may well be the stupidist, and more importantly, the most insensitive post I've ever seen here. For those of us who were around during the incredibly painful Bev Harris shit, your remarks are intolerable.

[malaise]

123. I don't know all the problems

but the fact that this documentary made it to HBO is reason enough for me to thank Bev. It was lovely though sad to see Andy.

[high density]

125. Yes, God bless con artists!!!

It was so joyous after the 2004 elections to watch Bev Harris handle the entire vote fraud thing with such class and dignity. I remember how great she did on Keith Olbermann's show. She really is such a fantastic person and we're so very lucky to have her target this issue with her amazing competence and intelligence!

[Joanne98]

127. I went to bed. Woke up. Went to work and I still say.....

I took a greedy power-hungry bitch to fight with Diebold and win. It took a ruthless motherfucker to fight Diebold and live thru it. I know she didn't do all the work and I wish she would pay back all the good people she screwed but she's not going to because it's just not her. So be it. The HBO documentary was excellent. That's a good thing.

[ScreamingMeemie]

137. And that's why I will never ask God to "bless" her...

I can be a bitch too, but I don't turn my back on the people who help me along in life.

[greatauntoftriplets]

138. She didn't win....nor have the voters won.

Diebold is still being used in many districts. As are other questionable companies, such as Sequoia and ES&S. In 2004, Wally Odell of Diebold said they would win Ohio for Bush. They did.

[AlCzervik]

141. and how much $$$ is Bev making now in consulting fees i wonder?

i think looking back now that it was always all about Bev for Bev. I watched some last night to see Andy but then i had to change it, i couldn't stand looking at her.

[Wiley50]

140. Please go peddle this BS at BBV.org

Better yet go peddle it at BBV.com
David Allen will set you straight