NYT - BUSH Admin Put Dangerous NUKE SECRETS On Web!

[kpete]

U.S. Web Archive Is Said to Reveal a Nuclear Guide
By WILLIAM J. BROAD
Published: November 3, 2006

Last March, the federal government set up a Web site to make public a vast archive of Iraqi documents captured during the war. The Bush administration did so under pressure from Congressional Republicans who said they hoped to “leverage the Internet” to find new evidence of the prewar dangers posed by Saddam Hussein.

But in recent weeks, the site has posted some documents that weapons experts say are a danger themselves: detailed accounts of Iraq’s secret nuclear research before the 1991 Persian Gulf war. The documents, the experts say, constitute a basic guide to building an atom bomb.

Last night, the government shut down the Web site after The New York Times asked about complaints from weapons experts and arms-control officials. A spokesman for the director of national intelligence said access to the site had been suspended “pending a review to ensure its content is appropriate for public viewing.”

Officials of the International Atomic Energy Agency, fearing that the information could help states like Iran develop nuclear arms, had privately protested last week to the American ambassador to the agency, according to European diplomats who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the issue’s sensitivity. One diplomat said the agency’s technical experts “were shocked” at the public disclosures.

more at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/03/world/middleeast/03documents.html?hp&ex=1162530000&en=1511d6b3da302d4f&ei=5094&partner=homepage

[wicket]

1. Holy shit

:popcorn: :popcorn:

[ThomCat]

61. My reaction was more like,

Holy Shit :scared: :scared:

I don't want that kind of information posted for the whole world to see. :cry:

[Richard Steele]

75. THEY PUBLISHED ATOMIC SECRETS....in ARABIC.

That's the most perfect "frame" for this issue.

Pleas K&R this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2559058&mesg_id=2559058

[Bullshot]

82. Yessir! There's your Republicans making our nation more secure!

If this party was having any more of a meltdown with all of the scandals and current events, I would say they were doing this deliberately.

Maybe they are so that if the Democrats take over, everything collapses under their watch and the Republicans can crank up their media stooges to blame it all on the Democrats.

[AntiFascist]

83. Much of their ineptitude must be deliberate...

what better way for the deluded Fundamentalists to get their apocalypse under way?

[19jet54]

111. Bush is the axis of evil...

more dangerous than N. Korea, Iran or Iraq! :nuke:

[L0oniX]

115. Google "how to build a nuke"

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. Nice going, George.

[Marr]

3. Es tu pid?

Si, es tu pid.

[Lex]

56. LOL!

*wipes Diet Coke off keyboard*

[BattyDem]

4. Wouldn't that make them terrorists under the Patriot Act?

Just askin'

[dchill]

13. I think SOOOO...

Vote Republican and the terrorists win.

[Amonester]

108. So true: "VOTE republican AND THE terrorists WIN"

Truest (and scariest) slogan (or reality).

:web: :scared:

[Marie26]

35. Enemy combatants as well

By publically releasing information that could be used to make bombs, the Bush Administration materially assisted terrorist organizations. Under the Justice Dept.'s own definition, anyone who materially assists terrorists can be labeled an "enemy combatant." To Gitmo!

[notadmblnd]

85. or at least aiding the terrorists

time for them to be haulled off to an undisclosed location and waterboarded. Why do republicans hate America?

[troublemaker]

5. Some background info in this thread >

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2556913

[ruggerson]

6. This is the election folks. That's it.

God, it feels good.

[ClintonTyree]

86. You're assuming that this will be reported............

that the Corporate Media will actually make a story out of this and plaster it all over the airwaves like they would had this been a Democratic administration's mistake. That's an awful lot to assume given the track record of the Corporate Media. Their fat tax cuts are in jeopardy here, you'd be surprised how many big stories are overlooked because of those tax breaks. The status quo is in their best interest.

[City Lights]

95. The Dems need to make this an issue.

Everytime they are asked a question they should respond by talking about this to show how less safe we are under repubic control. They cannot wait for the media to make it an issue. Tweety's fax should be inundated by now with this story from every elected Dem's office, just like it was when Kerry made his gaffe. The Dems cannot allow the media to ignore it.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

7. And yet... CNN's cover story is still Tom Cruise...

:puke:

[Beetwasher]

8. This SHOULD Be The Fucking STAKE in the HEART of these Monsters!!

"The director of national intelligence, John D. Negroponte, had resisted setting up the Web site, which some intelligence officials felt implicitly raised questions about the competence and judgment of government analysts. But President Bush approved the site’s creation after Congressional Republicans proposed legislation to force the documents’ release."

[kpete]

9. THE TIMES

THEY ARE A CHANGING...

[ruggerson]

12. Gee and according to many DU'ers

the NYT is the devil's rightwing spawn. :)

[troublemaker]

10. Note that it was actually REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS who did this

I mention this 1) because it is true, and 2) because they are all on a ballot somewhere

[Danieljay]

106. and BUSH APPROVED it...

The director of national intelligence, John D. Negroponte, had resisted setting up the Web site, which some intelligence officials felt implicitly raised questions about the competence and judgment of government analysts. But President Bush approved the site’s creation after Congressional Republicans proposed legislation to force the documents’ release.

[Spazito]

11. Whoa!

Because Drudge was hyping this, I assumed the NYT article would be something that would help the repubs, boy, was I WRONG and am thrilled that I was!

This is very ugly for the repubs and bush!

[Beetwasher]

15. Someone Played Drudge for a SUCKA!!!

I predicted it!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2555624&mesg_id=2555979

[Spazito]

25. LOL! You were right! Well done! n/t

[Beetwasher]

27. I Wish I Could Take Credit For Something Special

But Drudge ALWAYS gets played, so I knew there was a good chance I'd be right!

[BurtWorm]

62. Someone taped a KICK ME sign on his back.

Right above his fat propaganda catapulting ass.

[wicket]

98. You certainly did

Drudge is a sucka mc :rofl: :rofl:

[Disillusioned Dem]

14. This will go nowhere

Americans are so conformed to the government screwing everything up. They just blow this story off.

[Beetwasher]

Bwhahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Yeah, we'll see about that. :rofl:

In case you haven't noticed, there's an election on Tue. and Nat'l Sec. is a major, major topic of that election.

Keep dreaming.

[stepnw1f]

18. You Hope?

Cuz it sounds like wishful thinking. This is HUGE!!!!

[proud2BlibKansan]

89. I think you mean HUGH

I'm series.

[ruggerson]

21. ROFL.... must feel like a KICK IN THE BALLS

[Marr]

22. What's Rummy paying you?

Hope you're saving it.

[THX1138]

26. Oh

C'mon DD. Why are you "disillusioned"? We're gonna win freakin' big on Tuesday! Everyone's predicting an absolute blowout. Life is good! No?

[KingFlorez]

49. I bet it will

Run along now, Skippy

[Lex]

58. I'll bet you are "concerned" about this.

Eh?

[Frank Cannon]

81. You mean that people are used to BUSH fucking everything up.

And you're dead wrong. We're absolutely sick and tired of his incompetence, as you'll see on Tuesday.

[proud2BlibKansan]

90. Sure

Whatever you say.

Must be tough being a repukelican these days. But welcome to DU anyway!

:rofl:

[JohnnyLib2]

16. Whoa with the drape-measuring.

First we have to hear
a) NYT is a liberal rag, not to be trusted
b) it's just a pre-election trick, all smoke, much ado about nothing
c) it's a lie
d) Clenis did it

Etc., etc.

And THEN we can count the votes. Focus! Focus!

[stepnw1f]

17. Let's not forget 9-11 HAPPENED ON BUSH'S WATCH

... even AFTER BUSH AND HIS ADMINISTRATION IGNORED WARNINGS BY PRESIDENT CLINTON'S ADMINISTRATION. (Most Fiscally CONSERVATIVE President We've Had.) Thanks for fucking up with North Korea too.

[BurtWorm]

19. Let's recall the Clinton-China scare to guess how Reepers will react to this:

Clinton Gave China Chips for Nuclear War

Charles R. Smith
Wednesday, Oct. 1, 2003
...

Decade of Betrayal

U.S. intelligence sources stated that the newly released documents illustrate the extent to which the Clinton White House placed trade – and trade with China specifically – above national security.

"In all likelihood we will be glowing in the dark before we discover the true extent of the Clinton decade of betrayal," stated Rick Fisher, Asian Security Fellow at the Center for Security Policy.

...

The successful effort by China to obtain U.S. microchip technology included espionage, sabotage and perhaps bribery. The red intelligence windfall freed the Chinese army to more accurately target American cities with atomic weapons using advanced U.S technology.

The legacy that President Clinton left for the 21st century is a modern Chinese army equipped for global nuclear war.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/9/29/25139.shtml



Wow. If they know the Bushists were giving away nuclear secrets to everybody and his sister out of sheer stupidity, they're going to be reeeeally pissed I'm sure.


:sarcasm:

[democrat in Tallahassee]

20. Clinton did it. It's his fault

[HCE SuiGeneris]

23. Inbeciles, clowns and terrorists running their country...

:nuke: :cry:

Edit: Did I say "their", what I meant to say was "running what was our" :grr:

[bklyncowgirl]

24. Good God, what was in their freaking heads?

They were in a rush to put this stuff out there so that wingnut conspiracy theorists could find a missing WMD needle buried in a haystack.

There were hundreds of people who said, ‘There’s got to be gold in them thar hills,’ ” Mr. Blanton said.

Oh is that right. And who's bright idea was it to rush this stuff out there without screening the content?

The campaign for the Web site was led by the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Representative Peter Hoekstra of Michigan. Last November, he and his Senate counterpart, Pat Roberts of Kansas, wrote to Mr. Negroponte, asking him to post the Iraqi material. The sheer volume of the documents, they argued, had overwhelmed the intelligence community.

So according to our Republican Congress, the CIA couldn't get through this stuff but members of the 101st Fighting Keyboardists would.

Yeah. Right. Hey Congressman Hoekstra, Al Queda knows how to use the Google on the Internets too. These clowns posted Saddam Hussein's personal "Nuclear Bomb Building For Dummies" kit out where every terrorist and tin horn dictator could see it.

Heckuva job guys, Heckuva job.

[unpossibles]

42. maybe they thought the docs would clog up the tubes

and never make it overseas.

wow. If they're asking the freepers for help, that's sad.

[Marr]

28. The internet you say?! It's AL GORE'S FAULT!!!

Clearly!

[Mad_Dem_X]

100. LOL, that's right

Clinton can't be blamed for this one!

[Marie26]

29. Thanks, Drudge, for publicizing this!

:rofl:

[Quixote1818]

30. Now I definately don't feel safer!

:mad:

[berni_mccoy]

31. KEY: REPUBLICANS SACRIFICE NATIONAL SECURITY FOR POLITICAL GAIN

Rinse. Repeat. Keep up THE PRESSURE!

[bilgewaterbill]

32. Am I missing something?

Doesn't this mean that Iraq had nuclear capabilities? Or at least was working toward them? I don't see how this hurts the admin. Just the opposite- They can claim that the NYT just proved they were justified in sending troops to Iraq. What am I missing?

[Beetwasher]

34. Umm, You're Missing Pretty Much Everything

Did you read the article?

The stuff was from before the FIRST Iraq War.

"But in recent weeks, the site has posted some documents that weapons experts say are a danger themselves: detailed accounts of Iraq’s secret nuclear research before the 1991 Persian Gulf war. The documents, the experts say, constitute a basic guide to building an atom bomb."

--snip--

How does it hurt the admin and Repubs???? Surely you jest:

--snip--

"Officials of the International Atomic Energy Agency, fearing that the information could help states like Iran develop nuclear arms, had privately protested last week to the American ambassador to the agency, according to European diplomats who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the issue’s sensitivity. One diplomat said the agency’s technical experts “were shocked” at the public disclosures.

The documents, roughly a dozen in number, contain charts, diagrams, equations and lengthy narratives about bomb building that nuclear experts who have viewed them say go beyond what is available on the Internet and in other public forums. For instance, the papers give detailed information on how to build nuclear firing circuits and triggering explosives, as well as the radioactive cores of atom bombs."

--snip--

"The director of national intelligence, John D. Negroponte, had resisted setting up the Web site, which some intelligence officials felt implicitly raised questions about the competence and judgment of government analysts. But President Bush approved the site’s creation after Congressional Republicans proposed legislation to force the documents’ release."

--snip--

Get it now?

[Warren DeMontague]

38. It means the administration that wants to censor pictures of adults fucking on the internet

just put out highly technical scientific information about how to build a nuclear weapon for the whole world to see.

For purposes of purely political gain.

[ruggerson]

40. That's nice Freeper spin

but that doesn't jive with the timeline in the story.

[bling bling]

112. This could actually HELP the administration.

You're absolutely right. The RW machine will leave out the pre-1991 "drivel" and scream
'SEE!!! IRAQ HAD NUCLEAR PLANS' and some of the people who were finally starting to have doubts will feel safe and secure again because Bush is protectin' the homeland and fightin' them over there so we don't have to fight them here.

The pre-1991 data will be completely ignored. The media won't bring it up. The people will only hear what the RW wants them to hear.

I've already heard it spun this way on the radio.

The only good thing about it is that it's Friday. With the weekend here hopefully the RW can't do too much manipulating damage with this one.

[struggle4progress]

33. Of course. It's BushCo policy to sabotage the existing nonproliferation framework

[Warren DeMontague]

36. Because everything is a political game to these people.

Figures. I don't understand how anyone can still think this gaggle of cronies, phonies, rip-off artists, hypocrites, science illiterates, glassy-eyed Jesus goons, and utter incompetents is doing anything remotely resembling the four-eyed bastard cousin of "keeping us safe".

Now, let's get back to talking about John Kerry's apology: Was it enough? :sarcasm:

[TahitiNut]

37. In Arabic? Well, well, well. Go figure.

Gee ... what're the chances anyone with an ever-deepening hatred for the Bushoilinis would be able to read that? Just any Muslim in the world ... and maybe a few million others?

:scared: :scared: :scared:

[meuniermr]

74. I think my riff on this fits..

I Can't Stand It I Know You Planned It
I've Been Sittin' Straight Since Watergate
I Can't Stand Rocking When I'm In Here
Because Your Crystal Ball Ain't So Crystal Clear--------Overcooking the Iraq turkey.
So While You Sit Back And Wonder Why
I Got This Fucking Thorn In My Side-----------------Shrubs can have thorns don't they?
Oh My God, It's A Mirage
I'm Tellin' Y'all It's Sabotage-----------------------You know they did it on purpose.
So,So,So, So Listen Up 'Cause You Can't Say Nothin'---Censorship
You Shut Me Down With A Push Of Your Button-------Bill Orally cutting off people on air.
But I'm Out And I'm Gone
I'll Tell You Now I Keep It On And On---------------I won't stop because I cant stop.

"Cause What You See You Might Not Get------------Diebold.
And We Can Bet So Don't You Get Suped Yet
You're Scheming On A Thing That's A Mirage--------Iraq
I'm Trying To Tell You Now It's Sabotage
Why; Our Backs Are Now Against The Wall----------"A coward dies a thousand deaths, a brave man dies but once."
Listen All Of Y'all It's A Sabotage
Listen All Of Y'all It's A Sabotage
Listen All Of Y'all It's A Sabotage

I Can't Stand It, I Know You Planned It
I've Been Sittin' Straight Since Watergate
I Can't Stand Rockin' When I'm In This Place
Because I Feel Disgrace Because You're All In My Face------Everyone gets sick when they see *.
But Make No Mistakes And Switch Up My Channel---------Faux News losing ratings.
I'm Buddy Rich When I Fly Off The Handle----------------We're getting beaten on like a drum.
What Could It Be, It's A Mirage
You're Scheming On A Thing; That's Sabotage

[sakabatou]

39. Dems should take this to issue.

[Connie_Corleone]

41. Oh they will.

[populistdriven]

48. Remember how the pentagon lied to cover up Al Qaqaa?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/al_qa_qaa-imagery4.htm

they need to investigate why they did that too...

[StraightDope]

43. In all fairness...

This info was already available to the public at large... Nothing new in those documents. even the precise equations to describe the Teller-Ulam design have been public since the 1980's. This is a case of the cat being let out of the oriverba=ial bag, and everyone pretending that it's still reigned in.

I'll be glad to supply documentation to any DUer that requests it, but not tonight.

WVU just lost... :( Call it petty, call it facetious, etc. But tonight, I mourn for my Mountaineers.

[seafan]

44. "President Bush approved the site's creation after GOP Congress legislated the documents' release."

Read these most terrifying parts!


This is the handiwork of the PNAC'ers, Office of Special Plans and stovepipers, with GOP accomplices in Congress.

It's time to send in federal marshals to arrest the occupant of the White House!!

U.S. Web Archive Is Said to Reveal a Nuclear Guide

By WILLIAM J. BROAD
Published: November 3, 2006

Last March, the federal government set up a Web site to make public a vast archive of Iraqi documents captured during the war. The Bush administration did so under pressure from Congressional Republicans who said they hoped to “leverage the Internet” to find new evidence of the prewar dangers posed by Saddam Hussein.
But in recent weeks, the site has posted some documents that weapons experts say are a danger themselves: detailed accounts of Iraq’s secret nuclear research before the 1991 Persian Gulf war. The documents, the experts say, constitute a basic guide to building an atom bomb.

snip

The campaign for the online archive was mounted by conservative publications and politicians, who argued that the nation’s spy agencies had failed adequately to analyze the 48,000 boxes of documents seized since the March 2003 invasion. With the public increasingly skeptical about the rationale and conduct of the war, the chairmen of the House and Senate intelligence committees told the administration that wide analysis and translation of the documents — most of them in Arabic — would reinvigorate the search for evidence that Mr. Hussein had resumed his unconventional arms programs in the years before the invasion. American search teams never found such evidence in Iraq.

The director of national intelligence, John D. Negroponte, had resisted setting up the Web site, which some intelligence officials felt implicitly raised questions about the competence and judgment of government analysts. But President Bush approved the site’s creation after Congressional Republicans proposed legislation to force the documents’ release.

snip

European diplomats said this week that some of those nuclear documents on the Web site were identical to the ones presented to the United Nations Security Council in late 2002, as America got ready to invade Iraq. But unlike those on the Web site, the papers given to the Security Council had been extensively edited, to remove sensitive information on unconventional arms.

The deletions, the diplomats said, had been done in consultation with the United States and other nuclear-weapons nations. Mohamed ElBaradei, the director of the International Atomic Energy Agency, which ran the nuclear part of the inspections, told the Security Council in late 2002 that the deletions were “consistent with the principle that proliferation-sensitive information should not be released.”

snip

Thomas S. Blanton, director of the National Security Archive, a private group at George Washington University that tracks federal secrecy decisions, said the impetus for the Web site’s creation came from an array of sources — private conservative groups, Congressional Republicans and some figures in the Bush administration — who clung to the belief that close examination of the captured documents would show that Mr. Hussein’s government had clandestinely reconstituted an unconventional arms programs.

“There were hundreds of people who said, ‘There’s got to be gold in them thar hills,’ ” Mr. Blanton said.

The campaign for the Web site was led by the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Representative Peter Hoekstra of Michigan. Last November, he and his Senate counterpart, Pat Roberts of Kansas, wrote to Mr. Negroponte, asking him to post the Iraqi material. The sheer volume of the documents, they argued, had overwhelmed the intelligence community.

snip

[Marie26]

50. The Neocon's Last Stand. nt

[kpete]

55. here is hoping

you are right -
and hoping it is not too late...

[AntiFascist]

87. yup, that's what I think....

"This is the handiwork of the PNAC'ers, Office of Special Plans and stovepipers, with GOP accomplices in Congress."

[Straight Shooter]

45. "They never stop thinking of ways to harm the American people, and neither do we."

Damn. Little Boots was telling the truth.

[Kierkegaard]

46. These useless knobs can't do ANYTHING right.

Get the hammer and let's close up the casket...

[usregimechange]

47. Aiding the enemy!

[Scooter24]

51. Freepers are thinking this justifies the war...

they are focuses on this one paragraph:

"Among the dozens of documents in English were Iraqi reports written in the 1990’s and in 2002 for United Nations inspectors in charge of making sure Iraq abandoned its unconventional arms programs after the Persian Gulf war. Experts say that at the time, Mr. Hussein’s scientists were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away."

Yeah, we haven't found anything since we've been in Iraq that indicated a sophisticated attempt to build a nuclear bomb. Yet, "experts" in 2002 said they were almost a year from developing one? These "experts" are probably the same idiots that put those spy photos in Colin Powell's hands and had him parade them around the security council as "evidence."

Oh I forgot. It's all about spreading democracy now.

[ruggerson]

59. The article references pre gulf war nuclear program

the 1990 and 2002 reference is to papers written ABOUT such program.

But they are too stupid to understand the basic timeline.

[Scooter24]

60. Plus the forgot that Bush plublicly apologized

for the faulty intelligence.

[Zambero]

52. The Republicans will keep us safe from nuclear terrorists

Oops, guess I spelled it wrong. It's N-U-C-U-L-A-R. Yes, here's yet another perfect example of what happens when Neocon knuckleheads don't apply themselves in college and turn out intellectually lazy. Or in this case clueless beyong measure, unless the goal is to expedite their beloved Armageddon event.

[KingFlorez]

53. He is incredibly stupid

And this is supposed to be someone protecting this country? The Democrats better talk about this in these final days before the election.

[LindyHope]

54. The Same Liars and Morons .................

,

The same liars and ignoramuses on the blogs, in the Congress and WH, and in the media who pizzed on John Kerry for "crrticizing the troops" on education are already boasting that this proves Bush was right in claiming Saddam had a nuke weapons program. Take a look at the freepers thread and NRO if u want to get angry.

They set up a straw man that the Dems/Liberals/Peceniks/Socialist/Unpatriotic/Traitors claimed that Sadam NEVER had a Nuke Program though they know no one ever said that.

These dum fukerz have no clue BUT peeps do listen to the likes of Hannarty and Rush Lumpballs and the same peeps who believed Bush before will still believe him. The facts are not relevant to them. They have these screwed up authoritarian personalities and filter everything through distorted vision.

I am just so fearful that another election is about to be stolen that I guess I'm afraid to get excited about this shocker for fear of being let down again. NOTHING IS BENEATH THESE PEOPLE!

Tomorrow will be an interesting day indeed. We will learn the truth about where the various media outlets in this country really stand by observing how they report what in th name of all that is right and just should devestate any chance of the Republican Party's saving face on Election Day.

.

.

[BigBearJohn]

57. ***THIS*** is how your government ***PROTECTS*** you!@#!! We Need a new Dem Ad right away! NOW!!

[Jack Rabbit]

63. I think I broke my lower jaw when it hit the floor after reading this

I was a 98J in the army. That's an MI MOS. Something that goes with the territory is knowing how to handle sensitive information.

Let me give you a hint about how to handle sensitive information: you don't post it on the web. If I had done that with information a lot less sensitive than this, I would have been court martialed.

I can't believe we entrust these idiots with this kind of thing.

[neuvocat]

64. WE'RE ALL SAFER WITHOUT SADDAM!

[originalpckelly]

65. We'd be even safer without Bush in power...

impeach the bastard for our security.

[Kber]

97. at least Saddam kept this info secret

he didn't blab it over the whole neighborhood.

[upi402]

66. Republican hypocrits, keeping US safer???

:wtf:

[flyarm]

67. hmm Kerry blows a joke..and pissy pants blows up the world..and what does

the msm concentrate on..you guessed it..a blown joke!!

wtf???????????????

can someone please tell me who the idiots are that will vote for these idiots??

well i hope the fundies are genuflecting when pissy pants gets them blown off the face of the earth!

me?? i am going into a hidey hole!!..not from terrorists from the outside.but from those on the inside of this once proud nation!

fly

[upi402]

70. from enemies within n/t

[meuniermr]

68. C.P. from smaller thread; If anything will kick off Impeachment later this will be it!

Even sold their soul to the devil neocons will have to consider that their personal safety is being threatened after this. Being kicked out of congress/whatever with whatever blackmail info bushco has on them vs. dying in a fire... tough call for them.

[upi402]

72. they'd rather eat their kids than cede power

...and they REALLY like their kids!

[redacted]

69. Won't we all sleep well tonight?

I don't think I've had a decent night 's sleep since Bush gutted the Insurrections Act.

[jaxhud]

71. So the Republicans purposely posted nuclear secrets on the Internet? Nice!!

I'm so glad Bush and the Republican Congress is protecting us so well. Genius idea they had, outsourcing the task of Intelligence Gathering to the entire Internet community. Pure genius. The least our government could have done was sold these docs on ebay. They gave them away for free!! Geez!!! I remember a time when detailed designs of nuclear firing circuits and fissile core configurations would have some sort of monetary value. Now they're free! Times sure are a-changing. I wouldn't be surprised at this point if Bush himself mass-emailed scientists in Iran their very own personal copy of these docs.

[redacted]

73. WE NEED A WEEKEND FULL OF "MUSHROOM CLOUD" TV ADS! ARE YOU DEM MEDIA CONSULTANTS PAYING ATTENTION?

[Emit]

76. Here's Something Really Ironic About This!

Back when this began, in March, the Bushbots on another discussion board I frequent were ranting and raving about this news, going on about how these docs "proved" Saddam had WMD and connections with Russia, Saddam's al-Qa'ida connections, etc. etc. Now what do we find? Ha!

Here are some posts about it back then:

SADDAM / AL QUAEDA, IN BED TOGETHER:
http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?topic_view=threads&p=362520&t=51036

From that thread, I wrote at that time:

~snip~

Yes, this is an interesting development. I'm particularly leery of these parts of that story:

Quote:

The documents have been posted on the internet as part of a rolling program by the US Government to make public the contents of 48,000 boxes of untranslated papers and tapes relating to the workings of Saddam Hussein's regime. Saddam is said to have routinely taped talks with cabinet members and intelligence chiefs.

US director of national intelligence John Negroponte was ordered by President George W. Bush to release the material. Hundreds of thousands of previously unseen documents and hundreds of hours of tapes will be placed on the web in the coming weeks.

Also noted, in the post jon smith made yesterday about this are the editor's notes, such as:

On "Osama bin Laden and the Taliban" :

Quote:

(Editor's Note: The controversial claim that Osama bin Laden was cooperating with Saddam Hussein is an ongoing matter of intense debate. While the assertions contained in this document clearly support the claim, the sourcing is questionable — i.e. an unnamed Afghan "informant" reporting on a conversation with another Afghan "consul." The date of the document — four days after 9/11 — is worth noting but without further corroboration, this document is of limited evidentiary value.)

or this one on "Al Qaeda Presence in Iraq":

Quote:

(Editor's note: This document indicates that the Iraqis were aware of and interested in reports that members of al Qaeda were present in Iraq in 2002. The document does not support allegations that Iraq was colluding with al Qaeda.)

http://abcnews.go.com/International/IraqCoverage/story?id=1734490&page=1

You can see the documents yourself here:

http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/products-docex.htm

Here's one that is described as follows: Synopsis: 2002 Iraqi Intelligence Correspondence concerning the presence of al-Qaida Members in Iraq. Correspondence between IRS members on a suspicion, later confirmed, of the presence of an Al-Qaeda terrorist group. Moreover, it includes photos and names.


http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents-docex/Iraq/ISGZ-2004-019920.pdf

Can you tell me what it actually says?

More threads from that time:
RUSSIA SPIES IN USA FED SADDAM INVASION TROOP MOVEMENTS:
http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=51477&highlight=abc+investigative+units+saddam+husseins

My comment on this thread:

No time to chat now, but this looks awfully familiar. Doesn't this story stem from this abc news story the other day on that other thread?:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/IraqCoverage/story?id=1734490&page=1

You know, the one that MSNBC said it was suspicious that those documents found their way into the hands of the neocons who are gearing up for their Intelligence Summit in April?

I'll check this out later.

Saddam Archives-Documents discuss WMD's and Bin Laden!
http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=50852&postdays=0&postorder=asc&topic_view=&start=0

More Proof of Osama/Saddam Strong Pre-War Connection!
http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=51436&highlight=saddam+abc
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[w4rma]

77. Republicans are insane. (nt)

[WeHoldTheseTruths]

78. Some summary

Discussion of this at DailyKos.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/2/2243/29752


I used at least some of the points there to respond to a National Review writer spinning the story, as follows. Feel free to share them with newspapers or whomever.

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The MASSIVE hole in that spin is that the article says the info was reported to the IAEA in the early 90's and again in 2002.

The article notes he reported the same information to the IAEA in the early 90's and again in 2002. Thus, no advances between 1991 and 2002 - no nuclear program during the 1990's, nor when we invaded in 2003.

Nobody ever disputed that he had a program before the Gulf War.

When someone doesn't make any progress for over a decade, it means they're not trying any more. This information is all dated to the early 90's. Saddam clearly was not trying to build a nuclear weapon when we invaded in 2003.

Saddam obviously was not using this information, and he obviously wasn't selling it to anyone. Republicans in Congress were the only ones willing to give this information to the Iranians, the North Koreans, and Al Qaeda. America can not trust them to protect us.

Note the document's name:

“Summary of technical achievements of Iraq’s former nuclear program.”

Note the NYT article:

Some intelligence officials feared that individual documents, translated and interpreted by amateurs, would be used out of context to second-guess the intelligence agencies’ view that Mr. Hussein did not have unconventional weapons or substantive ties to Al Qaeda. Reviewing the documents for release would add an unnecessary burden on busy intelligence analysts, they argued.

The documents were not even vetted before the Bush administration giving them to the world on the internet.

The reason for putting the stuff up on the internet is what's so vulgar. They didn't want to take the time to have it translated and analyzed, they just wanted to be perceived by themselves and others as right.

So, let's see...

The republican congress, in a desperate effort to prove WMD existence, posted unreviewed documents which detail a Nuke's construction.

This is after the same site posted detailed plans on how to make germ and chemical warfare.

Last week, concerns about the document release were given to the American Ambassador in Vienna; nothing was done to remove the documents until the NY Times confronted them.

The relevant documents date to 1991~1995.

These DO NOT Prove any active WMD Program.

These Docs DID reveal to enemies, such as Iran and Sudan, just how to build a bomb.

The posting of these documents was a result of Republican negligence and incompetence in a desperate effort to prove their own rationale for a failed war in Iraq.

The Republicans have made the world less safe by their desperate attempts to retain power.

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Call your county's election office and

[blitzburgh55]

79. Are these the same doucuments the freepers were

translating? :rofl:

Within hours of the first release of documents, Shahda posted his first translation on the conservative website Free Republic. It was an Iraqi intelligence report of an interview with an Afghan informant that suggests -- but does not prove -- agents of Al Qaeda and the Taliban were active in Iraq before the Sept. 11 attacks.




http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2006/03/18/us_puts_iraqi_documents_on_the_web/

[annabanana]

80. This Administration is the BIGGEST THREAT to our security!

Ideologically driven, blind to reality, drenched in greed oil and blood and plagued with incompetency.

It. Is. The. Duty. of. Americans. to put an end to their reign of terror.

[montana500]

84. omg

How stupid can you be?

[Cobalt Violet]

88. K & R bigtime.

[AzDar]

91. Can we waterboard them now? It's just a 'little dunk in water' after all...

;-)

[Kber]

92. How long was the info up?

Long enough for N Korean and Iranian scientists to double check their own work (kinda like flipping to the back of the book for the right answer?)

This is just another example of this administration putting substance and propaganda over actual security.

I predict the republican response will be "See, Iraq did have something dangerous, or you liberals wouldn't be so upset about making the info public."

If we are smart, our response should be "We dismantled this threat in 1991. You republicans reconstituted it for enemies' benefit. Thanks for nothing. Time for you to go home now."

[Vinca]

93. Front and center on CNN's web page: Tom Cruise. nt

[SouthernBelle82]

94. Oh good grief

Well this is nothing new. Remember when Bush sold nuclear secret weapons for fruit? I can't remember which country it was right now but here he was going on and on about keeping Iran from nukes and he gives away nuclear secrets. This guy is trying to kill us all as usual.

[stlsaxman]

96. So they pulled them yesterday- when were they POSTED??? edit- Last March

How long have they been available? Did I miss that?


so they've been on the net for 8 MONTHS?

[ProSense]

99. Here's an excellent summary:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2924250&mesg_id=2924250

[drm604]

101. Even if there was no other reason to vote Democratic and fight for impeachment

this alone is sufficient. The idiocy of this is beyond words.
THESE PEOPLE NEED TO BE OUT OF POWER. They have put the security of our country and of the whole world at risk. This isn't the first time, but it's the worst.

[ruggerson]

102. kick n/t

[flyingfysh]

103. so Bush gave atomic bomb plans to Al Qaeda?

And everyone else? That's what the story seems to say.

[Lex]

104. That's what I get from the story.

nt

[Danieljay]

105. so, to "leverage the internet" (propagandize the war) the Bush admin posted atomic secrets....

CLASSIC.

[JPZenger]

107. Here's the weirdest part of the article

"The campaign for the online archive was mounted by conservative publications and politicians, who said that the nation’s spy agencies had failed adequately to analyze the 48,000 boxes of documents seized since the March 2003 invasion. With the public increasingly skeptical about the rationale and conduct of the war, the chairmen of the House and Senate intelligence committees argued that wide analysis and translation of the documents — most of them in Arabic — would reinvigorate the search for clues that Mr. Hussein had resumed his unconventional arms programs in the years before the invasion. American search teams never found such evidence."

[muryan]

109. translations from the website show up about everyday in freeperworld

They are going crazy over there thinking that this is proof that saddam had a nuclear stockpile. I dont think any of them has taken an engineering class or they would realize that blueprints does not mean you have the capability or a finish project. If that was true, the engine i designed would already be built :)

[paparush]

110. This is the COVER STORY for when PNAC nukes Phoenix..

or some other town to re-crystalize support with another galvanizing Pearl-Harbor-like event.

This is the COVER STORY for when Bush/Rove/Cheney/Rice/Rumsfeld use nukes against Iran.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

113. Didn't we GAS the Rosenbergs for the Same Thing?

Just asking...

Please visit my anti-war webstie, www.shockedandawful.com

[L0oniX]

114. Any physics major knows how to build a nuke ...big deal

I hate Bush and his partners in national and world crimes but there are 1000's of people who know how to build a nuke bomb. Google "how to build a nuke".

[beckstcw]

116. Woah, slow down...

First of all, these are the same documents that the IAEA distributed freely to over 140 nations back in the 90's. Among these nations was...IRAN!

And am I the only one who read the freaking article? It goes on the say that in 2002 Saddaam was less than a year away from getting a nuke! When did the NYT start supporting Shrub? They are basically validating all of the reasons Curious George went to war in the first place! I just hope the average voter doesn't get this...

[Scriptor Ignotus]

117. no, it says that "experts said that Saddam was a year"

away from building a bomb. It doesn't source these experts at all. Presumably, these are the same experts that claimed Saddam had the physical WMD's in the "north, south, east and west" of Baghdad (to quote Rumsfeld).

This article doesn't seem that definitive about anything. I want to see the follow-up though. And why haven't all these 48,000 pages been translated yet? Shouldn't that be a high priority?

[Land Shark]

118. any 6th Grader would KNOW this presents serious issue: DELIBERATE posting

additional reason: make sure we are fearful forever to keep the Permanent War going that some few are so excited about perpetuating.

[Peanutcat]

119. Can anyone really be THIS stupid?

An actual quote from another site where we were discussing this:

"No the information was already available, (I remember reading a book in the 5th grade which showed the workings of an actual nuclear device, long before clinton or bush) not a lie buddy, **bleep***s to be you."

And it wasn't from a Freeper site. Dear God, how can anyone be this stupid?!?!?!?!?!