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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 12:27 AM
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Land Shark On Misleading Media Manipulation of Elections
Edited on Fri Nov-03-06 12:54 AM by kpete
Kpete: While Time magazine condescends to tell Americans they should just 'get used to' electronic voting rather than complaining about it, Land Shark shows that Time magazine "just doesn't get it" on e-voting, as is typical of mainstream media coverage. When will the MSM start making the more salient and powerful points on this subject?


There are problems with e-voting much greater than "human error" and "fuss of Democrats."
These are the only two Michael Duffy noted in Time's "Can This Machine Be Trusted"?
Time overlooked entire fields of problems that exist with electronic voting. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1552054,00.html

Most problematic is the system's reliance on "public confidence,"which Time lends its hand to promoting, instead of doing objective journalism. As a consumer fraud attorney, I know that "confidence" is required only for a fraud or a trick, it's the key element of deception. On the other hand, in a fair contracting process, due diligence requires all parties checking out each significant detail. Similarly, Election systems require full transparency and verifiability - unless fraud is the goal or condoned byproduct.

In the past, ballots were cast in secret; but votes counted in a transparent observable process. With electronic voting, America's votes are now shifted to counting in secrecy, via claims of corporate software trade secrecy, leaving no rational basis for confidence in the election results. No actual person sees or verifies the actual vote counts, we just fall down in slavish devotion to magic machine numbers.

Moreover, computerized voting and tabulating systems, like all computers, do what they are told to do without regard to law or ethics. Testing and certification processes in place have never discovered problems because they simply can't, nor can they ever prove the validity of elections. Malicious computer programs can easily be designed to appear only on election day, change election results, and then disappear without a trace. The fact that the code wasn't in place or operating under test conditions and therefore the test of a small number of ballots seemed to be OK tells us nothing about what happened under actual election conditions, when riggers or hackers are striking. Besides, with government money and power determined entirely by elections, the most likely rigger or hacker suspect is the government itself.

Challenges by "losers" are criticized by Time. Does anyone seriously believe that WINNERS can be trusted to challenge their own victories? Only losers are motivated, so shaming the losers has the undemocratic result of leaving democracy defenseless. Crediting only Democrats for raising the e-voting issue disserves Republicans who have historically owned the "you can't trust government" argument. Republicans have a point, in elections.

E-voting allows the perfect means for those in power to maintain that power secretly and illegitimately. Fraudulent results like a flip from 52-48 to 48-52 are readily rationalized by any pundit as legit. Is this defending democracy: knee-jerk rationalizations based on blind faith results? Real defenders, scientists and prosecutors, like sentinels, investigate first and then conclude later.

Time closes by suggesting we all "get used to" evoting instead. But "modern" computers create precisely the wrong condition (invisibility and non-transparency). In contrast, an August 2006 Zogby poll says 92% support the public's right to witness and obtain information on vote counting, regardless of political orientation. By that standard, election officials and Time magazine are out of touch with every single demographic in America. This augurs poorly for their attempts at leadership in democratic elections.


---Paul Lehto
Attorney at Law
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 12:36 AM
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1. K & R nm
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 12:53 AM
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2. K & R n/t
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 12:54 AM
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3. Recommended #6
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 01:00 AM
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4. Very well stated, as always, Paul.
NOT ONE LINE OF SOFTWARE BETWEEN A VOTER AND A VALID ELECTION. NOT ONE. PERIOD.

I'm B Robert Franza MD and I approve of this message ...
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 01:02 AM
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5. Time -betraying democracy?
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 01:03 AM
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6. Here are links to Zogby poll and THANKS KPETE for the post!!
<http://www.zogby.com/News/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1163> Zogby press release

<http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0608/S00220.htm> Questions, data, analysis and perspective on polling questions, including the Zogby 92% question.
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rjf7r Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 01:21 AM
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7. Daily Show addressed the folly of electronic voting
Last night's Daily Show (Thursday, 11/2) addressed the folly of electronic voting very effectively -- and humorously!

Bob
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 01:51 AM
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8. Welcome to DU, rjf7r
:)
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 06:12 AM
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9. Been using optical scanning vote systems here since I started voting 22yrs ago
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 08:35 AM
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11. which are as riggable as anything, but potentially a decent system1
with all appropriate checks and balances and pre-first announcment of results audits.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 07:52 AM
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10. Thank you to Landshark for writing & kpete for reporting it
Edited on Fri Nov-03-06 07:53 AM by Vidar
Recommended.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:58 AM
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12. Only one question about your excellent analysis:
You state that: "the most likely rigger or hacker suspect is the government itself."

I can see the point that you are trying to make, and it fits well with your other comment:

"Crediting only Democrats for raising the e-voting issue disserves Republicans who have historically owned the "you can't trust government" argument. Republicans have a point, in elections."

However, I wonder if assuming the Republican talking point might just be self defeating, especially since we are on the threshold of taking back at least some control of the government. I would like to humbly suggest that the blame be put squarely on the sholders of the elitist. corportist, imperialist conspiracy, or some other less inflamatory words that will not put off the ones who still do not get the magnitude of the oppressive takeover that we are experiencing.

Nit pick over.

Thanks for all the work that you are doing to help restore some semblance of democracy. K&R!
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 02:24 PM
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17. just building a bridge there to one republican point i'm adopting
Edited on Fri Nov-03-06 02:32 PM by Land Shark
they're wrong about a lot, but not EVERYthing! ; ) And the context here is elections, I think the government can be trusted in some other areas
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 10:42 AM
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13. Well
Edited on Fri Nov-03-06 10:48 AM by BeFree
We made a run at it. It's still a mile ahead of us tho, and it....

Anyway, I'd be a lot more encouraged if I saw DU more engaged... but look around. There is a thread bashing an election reformer and it has ten times more replies than this.

May the justice system save us, for there is no other way. The people just don't care.

Peace, Paul, kpete. Thanks.

PS: Forget that mile ahead of us BS. Yall have the dragon by the tail and are hanging on. Will help arrive in the form of the democratic party? Stay tuned.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 12:42 PM
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14. what thread? point us there and we'll help out.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 12:54 PM
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15. There's another Bev thread
And I don't do Bev threads. Don't blame the folks for being mad, but c'mon.

Robin, you are a hero. Thanks.
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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 02:21 PM
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16. K&R Hand Counted Paper Ballots NOW! ...or Fascism Forever.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 05:12 PM
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18. I think the media is in on it. Nobody's this stupid.....
The media would be perfectly happy just to cover all future elections on things of great importance like "style" and "sex" and "horse races". Let's face it. The media doesn't think the "rabble" should be voting anyway!
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 08:01 PM
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19. upsets corporate advertisers when/if media reports corporate influence/control?
oh wait, it's much more than influence and control. It's corporate OWNERSHIP of the heart of elections. (the heart of democracy is elections, the heart of elections is vote counting, the vote counting in electronic elections is a trade secret and nobody can get any information, a trade secret is an intellectual PROPERTY interest, thus corporations OWN the heart of democracy)
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 08:55 PM
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20. The heart of America got cashed out by diebold
The ghost like programming of the machines can be seen only by a few select individuals. And they add up nearly all the votes.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 11:54 PM
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23. Don't let Diebold have all the credit, add Sequoia, ES&S, Hart Intercivic, etc.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:23 PM
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21. Land Shark, I want to know what you think of the GOP's sudden interest
in talking about electronic fraud and the legal aftermath of contested elections?

In a couple minutes, Sean Hannity, one of Karl Rove's ventriloquism dummies, is going to be doing a segment on just that.

I think they're seeding the ground for some nasty maneuvering.

Great post, as always sir.




(Update: they're definitely coming at this mainly from the fraudulent voter angle, but not exclusively...)
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 10:31 PM
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22. I've a definite prediction on that, one i've been making for a while
it is shaping up, their chess pieces are in place, we'll see if they deploy, or not.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 01:16 AM
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26. I'm glad
you're thinking that way.

The rulings in the challenge suit and other happenings have been like explorations of the extent of the dry rot in the lines of authority. Not much has come out but dust, but the dust is very telling. And some groundwork has been laid.

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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 11:59 PM
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24. K,R,eom
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 01:10 AM
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25. kick
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