Friends of Andy - What Do You Say?

[Stephanie]

After all we've been through, from helping Andy with his investigations to doing everything we could to keep him alive - what do you have to say now about HBO's 'Hacking Democracy?'

It all started here at DU.

Despite my objections, I'd say it was an effective documentary, and while it didn't show Bev as she is, that's no doubt for the best. Regardless of anything else, it was so sweet/sad to see Andy hard at work trying to save democracy right up to the end.

So, Andy's friends, and I know he had many here at DU, what did you think about the documentary? Post your reviews.

[survivor999]

1. Have not seen it

:(

[merh]

2. me either

no HBO :(

[EFerrari]

11. I just saw Andy say, "I'm in Volusia County, Florida --

Home of the Negative Vote Totals!"

:rofl:

[merh]

25. Oh sure, rub it in why don't you!

:silly:

Hopefully, I will get to see it.

Gotta love it, Andy hasn't been forgotten and that is what he wanted.

Simply to be remembered and to have made a difference. The documentary fulfills his wishes. :)

:hug:

[EFerrari]

27. We'll find a copy, you'll see.

:hug:

[texasleo]

3. watching now

[survivor999]

4. My tribute to Andy is

not to finance cable TV companies!

[EFerrari]

5. I'm watching it right now. The hagiography aside,

I think it's well done -- digestible. It makes the vendors look like sleeze, it makes our politicians look out of touch, it's scary. And, that's the right message, imho.

They showed my former Sec of State confronting Diebold, they show a variety of people in their moment of understanding and outrage. That was effective. From poll workers to computer geeks, the message was consistent: our votes are not being counted properly.

[Quixote1818]

6. Someone was asking if anything ever comes from what we do on DU

This answered that question didn't it! Andy had a very important impact on our country and should go down as someone who helped save our democracy. His face should be right up their on Mt. Rushmore! I truly believe that! He had a very powerful impact!

[blm]

55. You said it, Q.....THIS is what DU has always been about to me.

Andy is us and we are Andy. Now and always.

[upi402]

7. I don't have HBO but I have Andy in mind n/t

[EFerrari]

8. Oh, and Andy is a handsome devil.

:)

[Stephanie]

10. yes he is!

:hi:

[Richard Steele]

30. Photogenic as all get-out!

Color me jealous.

[leftchick]

37. He looked fantastic!

:)

[bridgit]

9. have it recorded but haven't watched it yet...

[understandinglife]

12. I was privileged to meet Andy and we became friends. I will never forget him ...

... or all he DID to try to save our much endangered Republic.

Recommended. Vote # 4.

I have nothing else to say except:


NOT ONE LINE OF SOFTWARE BETWEEN A VOTER AND A VALID ELECTION - NOT ONE. PERIOD.


Peace, my friend Andy. What you did will never be forgotten.

[EFerrari]

14. Did you catch the show, UL? It was so good to see him

working, to see his sense of humor lightening the situation.

[understandinglife]

15. No. Unfortunately, I was working. I do hope to see a re-run sometime soon.

:hi:


Peace.

[EFerrari]

17. It's well done, imho.

:hi:

[Generic Other]

13. I said it on this thread. Please read

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2557694

[EFerrari]

16. Did. As I watch, I've had that very thought. Thanks for putting it

out there where it belongs.

:hug:

[ConsAreLiars]

18. Andy would be proud.

not because he got some personal recognition or had a film dedicated to him, but because his message got out. I met him a few times, and one thing was clear, he wanted people to hear what he had learned about the dangers these machines posed. That was his message and this film is part of his legacy. Andy lives.

[Stephanie]

19. I agree with you.

I think he would have been proud of the message, and overlooked the messenger. His concern was heartfelt.

[EFerrari]

20. Exactly. Andy had a very healthy ego. And still, he could set it

aside for the greater good. That's what made him Andy. lol

Rare, gifted Andy.

[elehhhhna]

39. Dear Friends of Andy--

I never met him face to face but spent hours on the phone in March '05. He coached me through stopping out county's purch of Diebold (we got E-slates--not any better, really). Those calls from Andy got me off this chair and OUT there, and I've been out there ever since.

Not a bible nut but there's one favorite story that's been popping into my head since last nights debut.

This part:

After feeding the five thousand, Jesus sends his disciples ahead of him in a boat to cross the Sea of Galilee. Several hours later in the night, the disciples encounter a storm. Jesus comes to them, walking on the water. This terrifies the disciples and they think they are seeing a ghost. Jesus tells them in verse 27,"Take courage! It is I. Don't be afraid."

Peter replies, "Lord, if it's you, tell me to come to you on the water." So Jesus invites Peter to come. Peter gets out of the boat and begins walking on the water toward Jesus. But when Peter takes his eyes off Jesus and sees the wind and waves, he begins to sink. Peter cries out to the Lord and Jesus immediately reaches out his hand and catches Peter. As they climb into the boat together, the storm ceases.

That's what Andy did for me and so many, many others. He simply and graciously extended his hand to help. He said "Don't be afraid, just do it." We did. And there's no turning back now.

[bridgit]

21. it's good to see that Bev finally got round to seeing how important...

'the code' is in these machines, when my hubby used to post on DU some 4+ years back, he & her would always go back & forth; she railing though at what she couldn't exactly say just that it was wrong, and he speaking as to the security issues & need to secure 'the code' and here it is...

cool, now let's lock these machines down & into a state of certifiable compliance and no i don't care about their trade secrets; this is not Cocoa Cola, or KFC's secret recipe we're talking here this is the democracy of America and it's certifiable election results

[Stephanie]

42. she still doesn't understand

she was talking about files within files on the Diebold FTP, when she meant to say folders

[bridgit]

49. we, hubby & i watched it together, and he would comment similarly...

someone else has explained to her that the key is in the coded script, but she was bobbling the information as though she doesn't have her head all the way around it

i suppose it is true that there were people in the california gold rush that found gold quite by accident :shrug:

[ClayZ]

22. .

:cry: :applause:

[mdmc]

23. I haven't seen it yet

but I'm glad it is out there.

[Historic NY]

24. I thought it was a good program..........

they remembered Andy too. It should make people think or at least question their states purchase of electronic voting machines.

[New Earth]

26. please someone let us know

if there is a way to watch it, for those of us who don't have HBO (regular cable and cable internet is expensive enough) :(

[EFerrari]

29. I don't know, Faye. Maybe we can try to see if someone

duped a copy or if there's a DVD somewhere. A lot of people don't get HBO. I shouldn't.

[ConsAreLiars]

31. I'll be looking for it., and post it if I find it.

The odds are that it will show up as a bittorrent file at some point. Go to http://www.utorrent.com/ to get one version of the software you will need. And in the meantime, look at http://www.chomskytorrents.org/index.php

[ConsAreLiars]

63. It is now up on the net.

For details, see: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2567191&mesg_id=2567191

[Swamp Rat]

28. Thank you Andy

:hug:

[Rainscents]

32. R.I.P Andy... We Miss You alot!!!

I haven't seen it yet... I will next week when I get HBO on Sunday. Comcast is coming out this Sunday with box.

[mogster]

33. I haven't seen it

In Norway, new films aren't aired until 2-10 years later, it appears :shrug:

I'll keep checking youtube.

[Stephanie]

43. hey mog!

how are you? :hi:

[mogster]

57. I'm great, my friend

Good to see Andy get some attention :-)

[fooj]

34. Left an awful lot of important DETAILS out, imo.

Didn't you like the way it points out how Kerry KNEW about fraud? If we win (which we will unless they steal it again) what do you wanna bet that they accuse the Dems of stealing it?

Wonder why they went out of their way to show Gore WELCOME Bush to the WH? What purpose does that serve?

Hacking Democracy was all about Bev. Too bad she couldn't behave like a human being when Andy was still with us.

Andy knows the score. I guess that's really all that matters. :patriot:

[goodboy]

35. I'm living in Tallinn Estonia now, and I couldn't see it. Maybe it will

be on the web some day, and I will. I told everyone back in the states to watch though.

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[Stephanie]

44. Estonia? Are you kiddding?

What are you doing there, GB?

[goodboy]

53. Having the time of my life, Steph. I just had to get away from the states

for a while...and I'd been here before and loved it, so I decided to move over here for a while. Seems like no matter what I do I still can't escape the stinking shadow of W...he's coming here at the end of the month.

[truedelphi]

62. I lived around the corner from you in Stavanger Norway

Many years ago

What a strange whimsical place

You might end up in jail for three years for smoking a joint - but the jails employed the best of the dance world, theatre world, poetry world, music world, to come in and teach the prisoners.

And the prisoners went home every weekend because the Norwegian governemnt thought it cruel to keep people away from their families

[goodboy]

64. I'm told that here in Estonia, those convicted of non-violent

drug offenses can choose to sit their time like that...even so far as to sit only for the weekend, as long as you sit no less than two days at a time. It's kinda nice to live in a civilized society.

[LWolf]

36. I don't have HBO.

I wonder what Andy would say about it. In the end, it comes down to this:

Will the airing of this documentary help, or hurt, the cause? If it helps, I'm glad. The issue is much bigger than Bev Harris, and she is not going to distract me from that.

[mmonk]

38. Regardless of Bev,

I think the general tone was ok. It certainly showed how an election can be hacked and with different machine types (touch screen, optical, etc.) and the executable codes and memory cards. That was what I think Andy would want.

[EFerrari]

47. It was really well done. And most civilians don't even know

and will never know who that grifter is. What they will see is normal looking people asking questions and getting weird answers from vendors. They'll see politicians not really being on top of it except for Kevin Shelley. They'll get a sense of how insecure the whole set up is.

That's what we wanted, no?

[renate]

50. Boy howdy, if I'd never heard about election fraud before watching that...

...I'd still be sitting on the couch in shock, 12 hours later. It was astounding.

You're right about how most people don't know the backstory on BH and how all they'll see is normal-looking, staggeringly dedicated and patriotic people showing how the vote can be stolen in broad daylight. I can't imagine the impact on somebody who has never heard of this issue but I'm sure it's huge.

BTW, may I add a shoutout to Ion Sanchez to your comment about politicians (other than Shelley)? What a good person he is. :patriot:

[EFerrari]

51. He was outstanding!

What a good person he is, indeed. :)

[mmonk]

59. definitely

[lala_rawraw]

40. i miss him, that is all i can say:(

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

41. Yup, darlin'.

Life was a whole lot better with him around.

And for you a :hug:

[goodboy]

65. yup...and BTW, how are you feeling, Lar?

I miss chatting with ya on the phone;)

[meganmonkey]

45. I need to find someone who can tape a replay of it for me

I don't have HBO.

The thought of seeing Andy's face again and hearing his voice, even on the TV screen, brings a tear to my eye.

[EFerrari]

46. Several folks are working on it, megan. I don't have the facilities

but someone will pop up.

I wanted to laugh and cry at the same time. He was good, per usual. :)

[mom cat]

58. I too have no HBO and hope we can see the doc soon. Sounds very

worthwhile!

[porphyrian]

48. The message was more important than punishing bev now. - n/t

[greatauntoftriplets]

52. I haven't seen it yet...no HBO.

The triplets' mother was Tivo-ing and taping it for me. Cannot wait to see it. Like you, I have mixed feelings on the parts with you-know-who, termite was all right with it and knew that Andy loved being a part of it. He even continued to work with the filmmakers after he had become sick.

[RevCheesehead]

54. I cried.

Although there is so much more to the story, it's probably best that it be left out of the documentary. If the whole point is to question whether or not the machines could be hacked, then EVERYONE succeeded.

And that, I believe, brings peace to Andy.

[helderheid]

56. Of that I am absolutely certain.

[VelmaD]

60. I can't watch it

I'm still not emotionally in a place where I can see Andy without breaking down. :cry: Or where I can see Bev without wanting to beat her with a shovel.

[greatauntoftriplets]

61. I figure that if termite could watch it, so can I.

Can I add a fire poker to your shovel and we gang up on her?