If we lose due to vote fraud, do we;

[upi402]

[Swamp Rat]

1. All of the above

[upi402]

3. hey!

:hi:
I'm trying to figure out if we (Dems) have a strategy with a specific and targeted message. If not, just putting it out there and hoping for organization by the party leaders.

[Tellurian]

4. They've got until Tuesday to comeup with a solution..

that should be enough time..

[upi402]

6. Or maybe Thursday really -even later to cement one up

It seems it's not really rocket science. But I figure that a plan is 100% better than stumbling along shrugging and crying all depressed like. Like I did in '04. I have a lot to lose if I hit the streets.

[Tellurian]

8. No, don't let emotions rule your thinking..

Let the Democrats settle it out.

If they call for the public to take to the streets,
Bush will have to arrest the entire country..

[Swamp Rat]

7. Protest en masse demanding a re-vote with hand-counted paper ballots.

We should also have thousands of international observers monitoring EVERY polling place.

[BanzaiBonnie]

9. That's when Bush declares MARTIAL LAW

He's got it all set up and ready to go when we protest that the voting was fixed.

[Swamp Rat]

12. Yes, but we must to protest nevertheless.

Otherwise, we may be exchanging pleasantries in a gas chamber in a couple of years.

[upi402]

14. That's why I need to feel there's some sort of goal and a plan to get there

before I can risk the ruin another's wellbeing.

[babylonsister]

2. We fight to cancel elections until we are all decided that they are

fair. Oy, that will be a huge hump, but worth it, if we can do it.

[upi402]

5. That's my quandary, personally, when I'm trying to

picture it. In Thailand they had a revote and IT was corrupted because their corporatist was so filthy rich he could buy 2 rounds of voting AND the people appointed to investigate the vote!

So I'd like to feel that IF we end up protesting en mass that there will be a verifiable (international inspectors) revote. Is it possible to get pre-approval from int'l vote monitors to help us? That way there could be a plan worked out and it would be ready to act on.

[Tellurian]

10. Personally, I think the elections should be postponed

until the machines have a paper receipt and are tested for accuracy.

[upi402]

11. good option, wish I added that

but I was thinking of a possible aftermath.

We need these traitors out though, somehow, even if they cheat and "win" -as seen on TV!

[TheWatcher]

13. Kick Their Soft Teeth Down Their Throats

:evilgrin:

[sass29429]

18. hmmmm???

Didnja forget that most true Democrats don't believe in violence or owning guns? and that all the redneck, gun-loving NRA member thugs would be on the winning side in that scenario?

Maybe just maybe the we need to revisit that the 2nd Amendment isn't just about hunting.

[hwmnbn]

15. Screw the revote......

We'll need a REVOLT!!

[upi402]

16. a revote might just

require something along those lines, non-violent of course.

[hwmnbn]

19. ... of course....

:thumbsup:

[sass29429]

22. Damn right

Perectly feasible idea.

Not like the divide between the Red States and the Blue States is all that insurmountable. The Redstaters aren't going to be on our side, and in case you haven't noticed, in reality, the Red States start just about one county in from the Pacific Coast, except for Orange County, and runs all the way to just about the actual East Coast, with small blue enclaves around most universities.

But they have almost all the guns, all the military, all the National Guards, all the hunters, all the rednecks and all we have is the unquenchable knowledge that we are in the moral right and that will sustain us. The Japanese and the Confederacy thought that too. In case you haven't noticed, they both lost big time.

You're proposing playing Israelis and Palestinians, on the Palestinian side, Cowboys and Indians, on the Indian side. As romantic as armed revolutionary struggle might sound, a little UNBIASED study, of history since WW2, will reveal that very few succeeded, where struggle was against a government that didn't hesitate to use all the force needed to fight. Algeria and Vietnam against the French, and Cuba.

The VC were unable to win against the South Vietnamese government and that brought the NVA in. If the US and the ARVN hadn't tried to play by McNamara's and Johnson's rules, and had actually fought to win, the situation would have been over much more quickly and the South would have prevailed. Most of the African Colonial wars were not fought against a colonial power that really felt like fighting to keep it's colonies.

The IRA, Hungarian and Czech freedom fighters, Communists in Malaysia, Argentina, Chile, Colombia, Bolivia all lost big time.

[hwmnbn]

23. So in essence you're saying.....

we're fucked if we do and we're fucked if we don't.


Do I understand you correctly? or do you have an alternative strategy?

[upi402]

26. Russia in Afghanistan, US in VN, France in many, Blighty in many

East Timorese succeeded in Indonesia. Pretty sweeping examples on both sides. The Brits in the Crimean with the charge of the light brigade in all their cherry red grandeur! Breathtaking arrogance brings crushing defeat.
Welcome to DU!
:hi:

[Lil Red]

17. I think we need to bring the UN in on this.

We should protest in the streets until they agree to UN oversite and hand-counted, paper ballots. After all, the Republics are the ones that have been keeping the UN out through the last 2 election cycles. It's not like the whole planet doesn't have a stake in the outcome...but, that's just my opinion.

Lil Red :think:

[sass29429]

20. In case you haven't noticed

The UN isn't terribly effective in getting anything done unless the US gets involved.

Since the US military is pretty solidly behind the shrub, and the UN doesn't have an Army, Navy or Air Force without ours providing most of the assets, it follows that the UN will be unable to do anything.

Or do you really seriously believe that if they do get ashore in Manhattan that they will be greeted with open arms in any of the Red States???

Arms, yes, open arms, NO.

And protesting in the streets? yeah that's the ticket. Kerry, the putative head of the Democratic Party, or at least our lat Presidential nominee, just totally offended just about every National Guardsman, every policeman that's a Vet, and everybody who has a Vet or current servicemember in their family. And you think that protesting in the streets to overturn an election and install Democrats is a viable solution, when most of the power structure is on the other side. With the underwhelming support the Democratic Party has shown for the armed forces for the last 30 years? protesting in the streets seems like a perfectly logical tactic. Yeah right.

Remember back in the 70's, yeah ancient history, but when the progressives took to the streets, the rank and file Union workers who should have been just as progressive and joined the revolution didn't. In fact they fell solidly on the side of the Establishment. the times may have changed but the people haven't.

[Vexatious Ape]

21. The Right

is no longer fazed by left wingers protesting--they know how to control the protests a lot better and, they also know that the left is both unorganized and unarmed. Thats the big one--unarmed.

[bowens43]

24. First you have to prove it.

[DocSavage]

25. Who

determines which races were stolen? Are any victories by R's questionable, or just ones that are tight? If ACORN can be assosicated with a D victory, will it be OK for the R's to protest? I am just trying to find out what the plan is.

[LaPera]

27. If we don;t go down to our local Courthouse and just stand there

with defiant protest, who are we, how can we respect ourselves?

Watching another bunch of BushCo theives hurriedly sworn in.

And doing nothing about it sickens me!

[upi402]

28. I will protest - I'd just like a goal and a plan

if I'm going to risk getting Haliburted.