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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 08:14 AM
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Larisa Alexandrovna-Rove Is NOT A Brilliant Strategist-He's A Dirty Tactician
When Strategy Fails, Rove Will Fight Dirty
By Larisa Alexandrovna, AlterNet. Posted November 3, 2006.

Karl Rove is not a brilliant strategist. And what he lack in brains he makes up for with dirty tactics -- distorting the numbers, running smear campaigns, and creating diversions.

Let us begin in the middle -- that is, at the center of a chess board, the most important area strategically to control in any game -- and take a bird's eye view. There is no question that all things being equal, the Democrats will utterly slaughter their opponents from one side of the nation, slashing and slicing, all the way to the other.

I am therefore amused at the Monday-night quarterbacking going on -- still -- as though with only a week left, the outcome of this upcoming election is still somehow debatable. Karl Rove -- aka Bush's colon -- might have his math, as he so arrogantly chirped recently, but the rest of the science-abiding world can still add and subtract, and it is quite obvious to anyone with the ability to dress themselves in the morning that there are simply not enough members of the hate constituency to deliver this election to the Republicans. There are not enough homophobes, bigots, and criminal braggarts left to offset the massive exodus of the recently awakened from the rotting base of the GOP.

The strategy played thus far by the RNC has been catastrophic, and all the talk of a Rove endgame surprise -- that is, a legal surprise -- is pure nonsense to anyone who understands strategy, as well as to anyone who knows that once you have lost control of the center, you are at a material disadvantage, and your opponent is positioned but a few moves from checkmate, there is absolutely nothing that can be done to salvage the game.

more at:
http://www.alternet.org/story/43798/
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 08:15 AM
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1. He's a direct marketing hack
Edited on Fri Nov-03-06 08:18 AM by C_U_L8R
with one trick.... deception

But it does work.. to a point.
The problem with spinning those sorts of
devious plots is that they ALWAYS crumble in the end.
Rove got high on his own hype
and thought he was indestructable.

Now he's finished.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 08:17 AM
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2. I agree with the premise that rove is NOT a brilliant tactician
however, I would also add that many people are not particuarly bright for believing the filth that spews from his mouth


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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 08:17 AM
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3. Registered GOP in Mass drops 10% this election - now 12% :-)
:-)
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 08:18 AM
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4. Absolutely true. He's just a bully using bully tactics he learned
in the schoolyard. One of those tactics is to deify himself as brilliant.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 08:19 AM
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5. rove - aka bush's colon - argh, argh!
The Lady is right on. Unfortunately for rove and dobson and falwell, THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH HOMOPHOBES, BIGOTS AND CRIMINAL BRAGGARTS LEFT. How fucking sad for "christians."
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 08:21 AM
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6. "This is not an election, it's an intervention!"
From the comments to Larisa's article;

"Andrew Sullivan, the conservative writer who was once a key media supporter for the Iraq war, denounced the latest Bush statement on CNN on Wednesday night, stating that the president is so delusional, "This is not an election anymore, it's an intervention."

As one who appreciates the art of the bumper sticker, this would make a damn good one, in my opinion!

-85% Jimmy
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 08:22 AM
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7. The only thing he has "going for him" is a complete absence of any sense of shame...
...otherwise, there's really nothing to this "genius."
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:15 AM
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17. criminal genius only - a REAL genius would SELL THE POLICY AGENDA
to the voters, not depend on STEALING the vote and suppressing voters.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:36 AM
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19. That and his super-rich backers own the corporate media.
Yet he still can't get a majority.
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smomfr Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 04:05 PM
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29. Next to fearful leader he is a ¨genius¨¨
but then so is my pet iguana. All three are cold blooded also.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 08:27 AM
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8. Underestimating him is a mistake.
Edited on Fri Nov-03-06 08:33 AM by mmonk
While in the end, he may be undone and while he encountered luck along the way as well, look at the damage.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 08:32 AM
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9. true
he can come back from the dead and bite us
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 08:39 AM
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11. I don't think he could that.
He exposed how to exploit dark flaws in the human psyche. His hubris, like the hubris of this administration, has brought him down. I'm still waiting for the rest of them to fall. Everybody needs to work hard at it while they themselves do the rest.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 08:32 AM
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10. thanks Kpete!!! oh, and 1 vote? people, come on now:)
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 08:42 AM
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13. done.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:45 AM
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20. thanks and you too Lev (below)
;)
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:13 AM
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15. Ok, here's another rec, LaLa.
Edited on Fri Nov-03-06 09:16 AM by leveymg
By the way, Rove -- even though he's on the ropes -- still continues to be able to deliver body blows. Witness how the MSM picked up the Kerry "get educated or get stuck in Iraq" gaff, like a drill team. Just like the old days. All that conditioning still works.

He's not a genius. Just a helluva gifted dog trainer.


Now, go fetch.

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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 08:42 AM
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12. Rove's Unholy Trinity: Fear, Greed, Self-righteousness
Amazing how Rove got so many to bow before these false gods for so long.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 08:51 AM
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14. Agreed! nm
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:14 AM
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16. SNAP! Excellent. Concise. wow.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:21 AM
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18. Dirty tactician is another way of saying "thug". n/t
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:57 AM
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21. check out the comments...
check these comments out:


"As a chess player?" Oh...right...

Posted by: Artaraxl on Nov 3, 2006 6:36 AM
Because I play chess, I can see that (a) the Republicans must hold the House to avoid impeachment,

You are clearly not a very strong player if you believe this. Frankly, as a chess player, I'm a little embaraced by your repeated invocations of this alleged skill, as if being a chess player somehow lends authority to your political arguments. It doesn't.

If you want to improve your game, you might start by joining the US Chess Federation and playing a bit more. At the moment no "Alexandrovna" found. A pseudonym? Or just a bunch of BS?


apparently, this person being a good chess player, plays only with the "if" argument of logic and never actually follows through the logical construct, that is to say, "if, then." he nicely leaves out my "then" in order to demonstrate that I suck in chess. oh no, now who will play me?:)

then this one:


How Many Votes did this Article Lose for Democrats?

Posted by: David V on Nov 3, 2006 6:42 AM
Calling an election one week prior to November 7, as did this article in the opening paragraphs, could prove disastrous for Democrats and America.

How many voters will now stay home believing, "it's in the bag"? How many voters will resist the calls to Get Out the Vote because they think this election is a done deal?

You have done the Democratic Party a huge disservice with your article.


interesting, if I thought I had that kind of power, I would have told everyone to buy me a vacation. but that aside, anyone actually reading what I wrote would understand that I am writing a warning of what I fear the distraction will be, that we must be vigilant, and that in the end, "when did fear ever stop a revolution" is hardly a call for nap time.

argh, feel free to show them some DU love by perhaps pointing out the obvious. i don't want to post in my own article's comments. blah!

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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 01:33 PM
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28. "when did fear ever stop a revolution"
I approve of this quote!

:thumbsup:
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:59 PM
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32. Oh No, Who Will Play Chess With You Now?
don't worry Larisa

we'll still let you kick the "embaraced" person's butt at chess!;)


If nothing else, I'll play chess with you!

These comments are just childish b.s.

I'm sure all Dems will stay home now because of you Larisa, you should be ashamed! :blush:


Remember they say, all publicity is good publicity. (don't know if that's always true, but on the internets it may well be)

Great article BTW

:hug:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 10:13 AM
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22. Appealing to the ignorant, racists, homophobes and xenophobes
Edited on Fri Nov-03-06 10:13 AM by Canuckistanian
That isn't difficult at all. These things seem to come naturally to scum like Rove.

To smear, tell lies, produce shockingly overt innuendo - that's not genius, that's the easy and dirty way out of a bad situation.

And in the end, he drags everyone back to the Dark Ages.

America has become a joke under Rove and his influence. But not many are laughing.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 10:21 AM
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23. Rove is willing to stoop lower
Edited on Fri Nov-03-06 10:23 AM by OnionPatch
That's the ONLY reason why he's been "seemingly" successful. I say "seemingly" because I've always believed that his tactics, while producing results in the short run, would, in the long run, only bring shame to the GOP and be the downfall of his party. I think my prediction is panning out right about now. :D Go Karl, go! He once said he was going to bring about the end of the Democratic party. Bwahahahahahahaha.....
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 11:00 AM
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24. Yeah, Rove's A Thug and No Genius, I've Said As Much Many, Many Times
And as recently as yesterday!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2554707

Great work as always Larisa!! :hi:
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 11:17 AM
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25. i have been saying this for years. i hate the rove is smart bullshit
he is a liar, a pig, corrupt, sleazy..... none of those needs brains, just a lack of conscience and integrity
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 01:13 PM
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26. K&R
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 01:27 PM
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27. "Because He Is Such A Weak Strategist, . . .
Edited on Fri Nov-03-06 01:28 PM by loindelrio
Rove tends to play the same game over and over and over."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/29/AR2006102900753.html

Associates say Rove is privately frustrated that individual candidates have not been more aggressive in drawing contrasts with Democrats on national security. In Buffalo, Rove dished out red meat with relish, pausing in the middle of an attack on Democrats for their votes against Bush's anti-terrorism policies to needle Senate Democratic Leader Harry M. Reid for a recent controversy in Nevada. "You may have read about his land swaps," Rove noted dryly.

. . .

But there is little evidence that White House political efforts on Iraq have worked as Rove had hoped. Rove this summer signaled his desire that the war could be neutralized or even turned into an asset for Republican candidates who cast Democrats as defeatist. Instead, many candidates have been distancing themselves from Bush on the war. And while Bush in 2004 showed he could lose independent voters and still win the election, this year's polls show swing voters even more powerfully against the GOP.

"It has been clear for a long time that the independents are consolidating a view that is very anti-the-Bush-administration, very anti-the-Iraq-war," said Ruy Teixeira, a joint fellow at the liberal Center for American Progress and the Century Foundation. "Maybe they were believing their press clippings that all they need is their base."



A theft in 2000.
Saber rattling/fear in 2002.
More saber rattling/fear, and theft, in 2004.

No. Not a genius. Just another GOP cockroach.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 04:12 PM
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30. Checkmate
K/R
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 07:54 PM
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31. He is not bound by the same rules as normal mortals. Cause he isn't
one. He is some other animal.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 10:01 PM
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33. Friedman flayed Rove in his column today
which was EXCELLENT, btw.
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