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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:49 AM
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REVISED You're Kidding Me, Right?
Edited on Fri Nov-03-06 10:44 AM by WilliamPitt
Revised to add info on "loose nuke" materials in Russia.

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We have become all too accustomed over these last years to absorbing insane and astonishing and absurd and awful revelations regarding this White House and this GOP-dominated congress. Some have come to call it "scandal fatigue," though I personally prefer to call it the "Gotta-put-this-in-a-mental-box-for-a-while-or-else-I-will-eat-my-own-face" self-preservation instinct.

I mean, come on now. No weapons of mass destruction are found in Iraq, and Bush stars in a comedic video skit, aired during a banquet, in which he pretends to look for the stuff in the Oval Office. 2,826 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq and 44,799 more have been wounded, not one of them having the luxury of looking for those weapons in the secure comforts of the White House.

Har de har har.

Less than a month after 9/11, Bush got in front of cameras to say, "We need to counter the shock wave of the evildoer by having individual rate cuts accelerated and by thinking about tax rebates." You have to wonder what kind of music this guy is hearing in his head. Hm...here's a thought. Let's use the worst day of carnage on American soil since the Civil War to pimp for tax cuts that will pretty much only help the richest of the rich.

This list is seemingly endless. They used September 11 against us to pimp for an unnecessary war that has laid waste to Iraq and our international reputation. They outed a deep-cover CIA agent whose husband dared to criticize the cherry-picked "intelligence" used to justify the invasion. They have gotten into bed with some of the most reprehensible scumbags ever to disgrace the corridors of congress - Mr. Abramoff, your table is ready - and then summoned the gall to declare a "National Character Counts Week."

You have to put this stuff into a mental box until you can wrap yourself around it, because otherwise you'll be battering down walls with your head and gnawing down trees like a beaver.

But this, now, is something else again.

The New York Times headline for Friday reads, "U.S. Web Archive Is Said to Reveal a Nuclear Primer." Bad enough all by itself, true, but this headline does not entirely convey the insane and astonishing and absurd and awful realities behind this story.

"Last March," begins the article, "the federal government set up a Web site to make public a vast archive of Iraqi documents captured during the war. The Bush administration did so under pressure from Congressional Republicans who had said they hoped to 'leverage the Internet' to find new evidence of the prewar dangers posed by Saddam Hussein."

Translation: on the three-year anniversary of the catastrophic decision to invade and occupy Iraq, congressional Republicans, terrified that their comprehensive failures would come back to haunt them in the November midterms, cajoled the White House into publishing incredibly sensitive information in a rhetorically empty attempt to cover their backsides.

The Times article continues, "The site has posted some documents that weapons experts say are a danger themselves: detailed accounts of Iraq's secret nuclear research before the 1991 Persian Gulf war. The documents, the experts say, constitute a basic guide to building an atom bomb. The documents, roughly a dozen in number, contain charts, diagrams, equations and lengthy narratives about bomb building that nuclear experts who have viewed them say go beyond what is available elsewhere on the Internet and in other public forums. For instance, the papers give detailed information on how to build nuclear firing circuits and triggering explosives, as well as the radioactive cores of atom bombs."

Translation: we have spent the last five years being terrorized by our own government - "We do not want the evidence to be a mushroom cloud" - and yet these nitwits somehow conclude that publishing detailed directions for the building of nuclear bombs is perfectly fine. You have to wonder if North Korea's sudden leaps forward in their own nuclear program came because they got a chance to read the user's manual for the nuclear club. Note well, by the way, that the data published is from before the first Gulf War, which means it has nothing to do with Iraq's WMD program in 2003, said program having been utterly decimated by sanctions and targeted bombing runs.

And then, the kicker.

"With the public increasingly skeptical about the rationale and conduct of the war," reads the Times story, "the chairmen of the House and Senate intelligence committees argued that wide analysis and translation of the documents - most of them in Arabic - would reinvigorate the search for clues that Mr. Hussein had resumed his unconventional arms programs in the years before the invasion. American search teams never found such evidence."

Translation: "most of them in Arabic," it says. Directions for building nuclear weapons, written in Arabic, were published by the White House three years after the invasion, for no better reason than to do some CYA after the weapons of mass destruction failed to turn up in Iraq.

But wait, some will say. The hard part isn't getting directions for building a bomb; those have been out there for decades now in one form or another. The hard part is procuring or manufacturing the fissionable material needed. Right?

Wrong. Once upon a time, you see, we had something called the Cold War. The artist formerly known as the Soviet Union developed scores of nuclear weapons, and then went broke. Their financial collapse and eventual evaporation as a nation left scads of nuclear materials laying all over their vast territory, with no army available to guard the stuff. They couldn't even afford padlocks, and suddenly-unpaid nuclear scientists had the opportunity to sell the materials on the black market.

Consider this report from the Center for Defense Information: "Consider some basic facts on the supply side: The worldwide stockpiles of separated plutonium and highly enriched uranium (HEU) are estimated to include some 450 tons of military and civilian separated plutonium and over 1,700 tons of HEU. A key problem in this arena is the large stocks of weapons-grade plutonium and uranium that are produced by power reactors. Russia now holds about 150 tons of plutonium and 1,000 tons of highly enriched uranium. A recently published report by the National Research Council found that 'theft or diversion of excess Russian HEU for terrorist use represents a significant near-term threat to the United States."

"A complete inventory of Russian materials is not available," continues the report, "so it is impossible to confirm that diversions of materials have not already occurred. Additionally, there have been more than a dozen seizures of special nuclear material from Russia and surrounding countries since the early 1990s. About 40 kilograms of weapons-usable uranium and plutonium have been stolen from poorly protected nuclear facilities in the former Soviet Union during the last decade. While most of that material was retrieved, 2 kilograms of highly enriched uranium filched from a research reactor in the former Soviet Republic of Georgia are still missing."

Fear not, however, because the Bush administration is on top of things. "A program to blend HEU down into less dangerous civilian reactor fuel," reads a Christian Science Monitor article from 2001, "is moving slowly. Efforts to replace three Russian nuclear reactors that produce both desperately needed energy and plutonium have stalled in a swirl of politics. And the Bush administration, in its first crack at drawing up a national-security budget, has slashed the funding of much of the non-proliferation effort. Bush's budget took $100 million out of the Department of Energy's side of the effort, alone."

The budget allocations for the securing of this material have been annually shortchanged by the Bush administration. Indeed, little has changed since 9/11, despite all the howling about nuclear terrorism coming from the White House.

So, to recap: the administration and its congressional allies published directions for the development of nuclear weapons, said directions include "charts, diagrams, equations and lengthy narratives about bomb building that nuclear experts who have viewed them say go beyond what is available elsewhere on the Internet and in other public forums." They did this to try and manufacture some political cover, period. Much of the published material is in Arabic. All that is required to put these directions to practical use is the fissionable material, a great deal of which is sitting unsecured all across Russia...and the administration has slashed the budgets aimed at nailing this stuff down.

Yes, I'm eating my own face.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:53 AM
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1. Kick for face eating. - n/t
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:53 AM
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2. Hey, it gets better.
The A-Man links to Instameathead today. Instameathead considers it all fait accompli now.

Forsooth, they are morons.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:56 AM
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4. ?
I have no idea what this means.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 10:01 AM
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12. Explanation:
A-Man=Atrios

Instameathead=Instapundit

Fait Accompli= Yes, there were WMDs.

Anything else, boudreau? ;-)
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:55 AM
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3. KIick again for wide circulation of face eating n/t
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:57 AM
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5. Just when you thought they couldn't be more demented,
incompetent, unprincipled, and all-around fuckwitted, this turns up. Yes indeedy, ladies and germs, the Republicans once again have proved they aren't fit to manage the night shift at a 7-11. "Hey, I got an idea! Let's put all this Eye-racky scribbling out there on one of them Internets! Stuff it right down them tubes! Maybe one o' them Eye-rackies will spill the beans on where them real nukes are!"

I am not eating my face, but I am considering gouging out my eyes with a grapefruit spoon so I don't have to read about our government's next great thing.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:57 AM
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6. my head is spinning and my irony-o-meter is pegged....
What incredible idiots. Never forget that these are the clowns running the most powerful country on earth.
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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:58 AM
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7. K&R
Please post the face-eating video in the new forum, Will. That's a must-see. Thx.
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grizmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:58 AM
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8. K&R #5
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:59 AM
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9. Mmmmmmmm... face...
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Serial Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:59 AM
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10. "Well, Jane, it just goes to show you.
It's always something. If it's not one thing, it's another."

or

"Oh, well that's diffrent. Never mind!"


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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 03:30 AM
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57. either ya' can't get a job in journalism.....
or Walter Cronkite thinks you cut the cheese in his office... :evilgrin:

Roseanne Rosanadana ... Gilda Rader ROCKED!
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 10:00 AM
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11. now you know why the bushies
have been warning us of mushroom clouds

it's because the bushies gave them the recipes/directions etc.

I understand the freepers are spinning this as some sort of proof of the exitence of WMDS in Iraq and therefore we were "right" to invade.

Correct me if I'm wrong - but these were DOCUMENTS correct? In today's world - documents may be in electronic form or paper form or both. To my knowledge, electronic or paper documents pose no threat of mass destruction. (do paper cuts or static shocks qualify?)

so - Iraq had plans. They didn't have a bomb. I have plans for building patio furniture, but no patio furniture.

oh well, whether they had the plans before we invade or not - they have them now. Hat tip to the bushies and their rubber-stamping GOPers who are more concerned with saving their own asses than ours
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solara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 10:12 AM
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17. I knew it was gonna get bad before the election
The secret ingedient of the RW kool-aid is turning out to be a heady blend of desperation and hubris.. not a healthy mix. They may spin this with the help of the NYT..but what else is new? It is gonna bite them in the ass
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 10:03 AM
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13. Pat Roberts
is a cold blooded traitor. Of course, the Patriots over in Freepland will find some excuse for this travesty. If Pelosi were involved, they'd be ripping down the wallpaper.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 02:48 AM
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56. Pat Roberts IS a cold blooded traitor...
and it's NO stretch of the truth to label the whole Republican party the same way. They are stealing and destoying EVERYTHING from their own country - and calling it protecting the American people.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 10:06 AM
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14. It's a perfect example of their approach: Ignore the experts' warnings and
advice; don't give the job to the people who have the experience to do it, give it to the politically aligned instead; try to get the job done on the cheap.

These are not grownups who are in charge of our security.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 10:06 AM
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15. Hey, isn't publishing nuclear secrets on the Internets some sort of crime?
Did they violate the Patriot Act? Can we call them enemy combatants? Can we waterboard them now? Please?
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 10:37 AM
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25. I think it comes under the heading of
treason
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 10:49 AM
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29. I'll take treason for $600, Alex... - n/t
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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 10:10 AM
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16. My own mental box
My own mental box is a fuckin foot locker wrapped in chains and they are rattling pretty damn loudly now.

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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 10:15 AM
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18. Good piece
Love the two paragraphs that begin with "Translation." You should do more translating - there's a huge need for this service.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 10:16 AM
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19. What is the department structure
of the releasing agency? I assume that the Pentagon Defense Intelligence Agency is wholly a creature of Rumsfeld and drawn close to the Bush inner circle. Negroponte has a hand in it along with the patsy GOP Congress who for once wants to get something out in the open. Opportunistic stupidity can explain the Congress but the release itself is the all too familiar pattern of the WH sticking America's chin out and begging for hit. It is so astoundingly bad that the blackest possible intentionality is hardly worse than sheer incompetence.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 10:21 AM
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20. I heard about this on The Young Turks on my way to work
this morning. I was totally dumbstruck.

I'm not eating my face yet, but I may just crawl up in a ball and never get up again.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 10:25 AM
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21. Reason and common sense trumped by CYA in Washington..
K&R
:kick:
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 10:31 AM
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22. You have just summed up EXACTLY how I feel eom
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 10:33 AM
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23. I don't know if it could be put any better
Once people wake up and trust me they beginning to stir, this evil empire will be crushed, for it cannot be defended.
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 10:36 AM
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24. absolutely surreal
What next? Maybe we will see some arrests and extraordinary renditions of people who download the stuff that was released...'cause hey, anybody who has detailed instructions on their computer, in Arabic, on how to build a nuclear decvice must be a terrorist.

I swear, if these people are not stopped, they really will bring peace to the entire world. A Carthiginian Peace, that is.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 10:39 AM
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26. No one is thinking they did this unintentionally, I hope?
No one here is making the mistake of believing this was an "oversight," right?

This administration is now and has always been THE biggest threat that exists to our national security.
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Deb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 10:43 AM
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27. At least they could have put the docs on EBay
Jeez, plans for nuclear proliferation have got to be worth something.

Need a handful of my hair? I've got extras here.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 10:47 AM
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28. I compared this to the remake of The Thing in an earlier post
In the movie a guys head pops off, sprouts legs and runs out of the room, while another guy stares at it and goes, "You have got to be fucking kidding me". :crazy:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 10:51 AM
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30. Yes!
The loose nukes we should have paid and worked through co-operation to clean up! I had forgotten. Thanks.
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Danascot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 10:55 AM
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31. We posted directions on how to build a nuke on the internets?
That's nothing, we're busy pretending Kerry dissed the troops. Don't try to distract us from the real issue here.
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 12:13 PM
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38. Yes, and all I can say is
it's a darned good thing our troops is plenty smart! Hopefully they can figure out how protect themselves and us from nuclear explosions.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 11:05 AM
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32. No wonder they want to spy on us.
I'm so fucking sick of this!

Two terms! TWO TERMS, these assclowns stole from America. That was your referendum. Even if stolen.

Revealing a CIA agent. Publishing bomb recipes. It was all about their war. And some of us knew it. Without being journalists, or brainy political geniuses. We knew it.

And now we all know what W stands for.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 11:10 AM
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33. We need to put up a billboard across from the White House...
Hey, Mr. President,

Did you publish the "How to Make a Nuclear Bomb" information in Korean too? Or just Arabic?

Great job of protecting America!
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 11:20 AM
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34. Brilliant!
unfortunately, I don't know if I should :rofl: or :cry:


:sigh:

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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 11:41 AM
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35. The trifecta
Thought disorders, loose associations and toxic Kool-Aid.
Thank Zeus I'm a Democrat
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Janice325 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 11:58 AM
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36. I'm just sitting here, reading this and feeling ill, and wanting to cry,
then bang my head against the wall in frustration.
I don't know what else to say that hasn't already been said here.
Thanks Will.
I love ya'll. :grouphug:
k&r :cry:
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 12:09 PM
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37. "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we.
They never stop thinking of new ways to harm our country and our people.. and neither do we."

...says it all really.
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 12:33 PM
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39. Will, can I re-post this?
With credit, of course :)
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 12:51 PM
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40. Would you mind waiting
for the final version to come out? There will probably be some small changes to this between now and then. I'll post the link when it's ready. Thanks. :)
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:18 PM
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51. No problem
I just want to either re-post or link it on my non-political board, you know, stir up some shit ;)
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 02:21 AM
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54. Did you get my PM?
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not_a_robot Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 01:15 PM
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41. Do you really think it's a blunder?
Rightists can only justify their ideals of domination and murder in times when a horrendus enemy can be identified and killed. This is how they give their servants lives meaning. It seems too many people ignore this and want to believe their goal is not to create more 'terrurists'and to arm them with devistating weapons. That is their goal, there is no accidental placement of information from them, it's not a blunder or mistake.
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 01:32 PM
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42. I'm going to go get some chips to go with my face.
After several attempts, I've given up even trying to respond further.

Nice piece, Will.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 02:34 PM
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43. one of your best, yet, mr. pitt
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:00 PM
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44. Another important point not mentioned...
Edited on Fri Nov-03-06 03:01 PM by cui bono
is how the administration blew Plame's identity when she was working in the Counterproliferation Division as part of the Joint Task Force on Iraq, searching for WMDs. So they blew a whole undercover operation whose objective was to find any WMDs that did exist. Even if they knew Iraq didn't have them at this time, they ruined an entire operation that one day may have thwarted a real threat, if not in Iraq, perhaps somewhere else.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:13 PM
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45. Moral: The GOP wants a scary, dangerous, Terra ridden world
and if they have to give out nukes they will do it. I have a theory that the reason we support Pakistan with money and everything even though their dictator has said that he will not persue Al Qaeda is because Kissinger gave them nuclear bomb help back in 1972 in order to help them catch up to India, a counrty which Kissinger and Nixon believed was a US enemy at the time. If true, this would make Kissinger a horse's ass now, so Pakistan would have him by the balls, which would mean that he would have to advise W. rthat Pakistan was a very important ally to be treated with kid gloves.

Everyone knows that the biggest threats we have faces in recent years---people like Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein--all got their start in life as US henchmen with US arms and aid. And the Shia militia in Iraq was trained by Iran-Contra figures that work for the administration and probably armed with the Pentagons "missing" weapons.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 05:22 PM
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46. So which is this?
A high crime, or a misdemeanor?
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Danascot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 05:50 PM
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47. Try Treason
Edited on Fri Nov-03-06 05:52 PM by Danascot
Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as:

"...a citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the parent nation."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason

(editted to add back dropped words)
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 06:25 PM
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48. LINK TO FINAL
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:32 PM
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53.  Los Alamos .Nuclear Lab Breach Could Be 'Devastating'......
....in case you missed this *news*.... :nuke:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/03/national/main2151021.shtml

CBS News Exclusive: Data Found In Drug Raid Contains Weapons-Design Secrets

CBS) The recent security breach at Los Alamos National Laboratory was very serious, with sensitive materials being taken out of the facility — possibly including information on how to deactivate locks on nuclear weapons, officials tell CBS News.

Officials say there is no evidence the information taken from Los Alamos was sold or transferred to anybody else, but there is no way to be sure right now.

Multiple sources now tell CBS News that the material includes sensitive weapons-design data. A federal official who has been briefed on the issue said at least three USB thumb-drives were involved. Those small storage drives contained 408 separate classified documents ranging in importance from Secret National Security Information (pertaining to intelligence) to Secret Restricted Data (pertaining to nuclear weapons).

All of the information came from the classified document video media vault inside the Lab. Federal officials also found 228 pages — printed front and back — of classified documents in the drug trailer during their investigation
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 06:34 PM
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49. If a Democrat had done this, he/she would already been in prison.
What a double standard. And there are still millions of Americans who trust this president. I now believe that there are some people that simply can not be reached. George Bush could break into their homes in the middle of the night, murder their children and then sit with them at breakfast and have them loving him after the prayed together.
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Lil Red Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 08:03 PM
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50. KO's talking about it right now! (n/t)
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:28 PM
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52. But Kerry bashed the troops! And DEMS don't have a plan for victory in Iraq!
And if the DEMS take over, the terra-ists win. :eyes: :crazy: So the corporate owned media is talking about this, at least as much as they did Kerry's "troop bashing", right? :silly:
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 02:32 AM
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55. I heard a fundie tonight saying he's like to reach thru the TV to choke
Kerry. I heard crap like this about Clinton too. But when someone says it about the Bushler, the Sec. Svc. interrogates the guy at his jobsite. This actually happened after a guy made a joking comment to a Republican trucker who ratted him out.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 07:55 PM
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58. Motives: Ups the Fear factor before the election, alleged to support WMDs in Iraq
and shows them to be good transparent public disclosers. Better shut down that FOIA law a little more, is what they will say...

Unless we focus on the fact that even a 6th grader would know it was wrong to post this stuff, it may well be a winner for them since people may give them the benefit of the doubt based on limited information....

In addition, The inferences necessary to support a rationalization of the upcoming election result or a voter's vote don't need to be fully informed and rational, it's important to remember.
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